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English Grammar
« on: 01 September 2008, 02:03:13 PM »
Subjunctive

Subjunctive in English is the simple form of the verb when used after certain verbs indicating that one person wants another person to do something.
The word That must always appear in subjunctive sentences. If it is omitted, most of the verbs are followed by the infinitive.

E.g.      - We urge that you leave now
                                     Simple Form
             - We urge you to leave now

Advise      Decree      Move      Prefer      Request

Suggest   ask      Demand   Order      Propose

Require     Urge          Command    Insist   Recommend   Stipulate

In the following rule, verb indicates one of the above verbs.

Subject +   Verb   +    That   +   Subject      +       [ verb in simple form ]
   (any tense)

E.g.     The Judge Insisted That the Jury return a verdict immediately.
              The Doctor Suggested That his patient stop smoking
    The University requires that all its students take this course.

The Simple form of the verb is also used after impersonal expressions with the same meaning as the above verbs. The adjectives that fit into this formula include the following.

Advised   Necessary   Recommended      urgent      Important

Obligatory   required   Imperative   Mandatory   Proposed    Suggested

In The following rule, adjective indicates one of the above adjectives.

It +   be   +    adjective    +    That   +    subject    +    [verb in simple form]
        (Any tense)

E.g.       It is necessary that he find the books.
              It was urgent that she leave at once.
              It has been proposed that we change the topic
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2nd,rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher;
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #1 on: 04 March 2009, 10:32:45 AM »
hi Rina,

i want to ask a quoestion.

well, you know that we used to uses "s" at the end of verb (kata kerja apa seh verb ya? :hammer: )

such as  " i goes to school" for a routine task.

but if i use "always" then should i still use "s"

like " i always goes to school" or "i always go to school"
i'm just a mammal with troubled soul



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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #2 on: 04 March 2009, 11:17:06 AM »
 [at]  hatRed
Let me try to rep :)
The "s" behind verb, is only used in present tense, when the subject is "He", "She", or "It".
For ex: She goes to school everyday. --> Present tense

But when the subject is "I", then the verb should not been followed by "s".
Ex: I go to school everyday --> Present tense

The words "always", "usually", "sometimes", "rarely" or "never" are the adverbs of frequency. It explains how often you do something and has nothing to do with the grammar. So the pattern will still remain the same (present tense), you only add the adverb in from of verb.

Ex: She always goes to school.
     I always go to school.

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #3 on: 04 March 2009, 11:44:01 AM »
:))

yes, the "s" just for He She It

(fool i am :hammer:)

so the grammar will still remain the same. okay

trims ^:)^
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #4 on: 11 June 2010, 08:05:17 PM »
ci rina, sy g ngerti gmna cara bljr inggris.. :) grammarny mulai drmn?
"Dhamma has a value beyond all wealth and should not be sold like goods in a market place."

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #5 on: 11 June 2010, 09:32:22 PM »
ci rina, sy g ngerti gmna cara bljr inggris.. :) grammarny mulai drmn?

udah jelas mulai dari yg gampang

simple present tense...............

Practices make perfect ! (< kalau yg ini grammarnya bener gak ?)
Nagasena : salah satu dari delapan penyebab matangnya kebijaksanaan dgn seringnya bertanya

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #6 on: 11 June 2010, 09:33:56 PM »
ci rina, sy g ngerti gmna cara bljr inggris.. :) grammarny mulai drmn?

udah jelas mulai dari yg gampang

simple present tense...............

Practices make perfect ! (< kalau yg ini grammarnya bener gak ?)

practices make it perfect.. ;D
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #7 on: 12 June 2010, 11:46:39 AM »
ci rina, sy g ngerti gmna cara bljr inggris.. :) grammarny mulai drmn?

udah jelas mulai dari yg gampang

simple present tense...............

Practices make perfect ! (< kalau yg ini grammarnya bener gak ?)

practices make it perfect.. ;D

Practice makes perfect. :)

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #8 on: 13 June 2010, 01:16:16 PM »
Panduan pake buku pelajaran sekolah u aja, coba sis liat di buku itu apa2 aja yg tidak mengerti jd kita bisa bahas 1 per 1.

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #9 on: 22 June 2010, 03:02:23 AM »
ci rina, sy g ngerti gmna cara bljr inggris.. :) grammarny mulai drmn?

udah jelas mulai dari yg gampang

simple present tense...............

Practices make perfect ! (< kalau yg ini grammarnya bener gak ?)

practices make it perfect.. ;D

Practice makes perfect. :)

bro Upasaka, jadi cuma sekali nyoba gitu ?

is the word practice already means many ?
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #10 on: 22 June 2010, 09:46:01 AM »
is the word practice already means many ?

Bro Johan, if you don't mind, I'd like to share my opinion on this matter, please CMIIW.
IMHO "practice makes perfect" is a universal idea, thus the word "practice" does not refer to singularity.

same thing as: "The snake is a dangerous creature"
due to its universal idea, it does not merely refer to one snake, but to all snakes.
or
“To dream anything that you want to dream. That's the beauty of the human mind"
The word "human" there does not refer to one single human only, but to all human beings.

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #11 on: 22 June 2010, 10:21:12 AM »
is the word practice already means many ?

Bro Johan, if you don't mind, I'd like to share my opinion on this matter, please CMIIW.
IMHO "practice makes perfect" is a universal idea, thus the word "practice" does not refer to singularity.

same thing as: "The snake is a dangerous creature"
due to its universal idea, it does not merely refer to one snake, but to all snakes.
or
“To dream anything that you want to dream. That's the beauty of the human mind"
The word "human" there does not refer to one single human only, but to all human beings.

Good explanation, Sis an_atta...
And because of "practice" could be substitute by "it", that's why we should use makes instead of "make".

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #12 on: 23 June 2010, 09:35:52 PM »
iy cc, tar wktu mxuk xcul z bru kt bljr materi yg bru, skrg lg libur..
"Dhamma has a value beyond all wealth and should not be sold like goods in a market place."

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #13 on: 23 July 2010, 07:54:43 PM »
hi ci..

ne w ud msuk xkul a.. w g ngerti yg future n present tense r ..

kata guruny contohnya ini : what will you see if you go to borobudur temple..

cc bs tlg ajarin w g?  ;D
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #14 on: 25 July 2010, 11:05:49 AM »
 [at] yi fang : Sorry 4 late reply,

Jadi gini perbedaan yg paling sederhana adalah ;
Present : saat ini sedangkan future :masa mendatang(belum terjadi)

Cara bedainnya bisa dari kata kerja dan kata keterangan.
Struktur dasar kalimat nya begini
Contoh :
I am standing now

I : subjek
Am : tobe
Standing : kata kerja
Now : kata keterangan
Present simple tense(nanti ada present tense jenis lain lg,yg sdg dibahas ini yg simple)
Jadi dalam present tense kata kerjanya selalu kata kerja dasar dan
Kata keterangannya selalu pake kata keterangan yg rutin atau berjangka.
Contoh kalimatnya sbb :
Mary does her homework everyday
Ini adalah kalimat present karena : does : kata kerja dasar (lalu kenapa pake es dibelakang?)
Pake es karena subjeknya (mary) adalah 1 orang atau tunngal,(lalu kalau jamak kata kerjanya jadi apa?)
Kalau jamak kata kerjanya "Do" saja.
1 lg cara bedainnya lihat dari kata keterangan,di kalimat ini pakai everyday,nah jadi setiap kalimat yg ada kata keterangan
Everyday,every week dst, always(selalu), sometimes(kadang2),dsbg, itu semua dikenal dengan present(waktu sekarang)
Jadi skg coba u buat kalimat pakai present simple,supaya kita tau pemahaman kamu(jangan nyontek buku ya,hehe)
The four Reliances
1st,rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words;
2nd,rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher;
3rd,rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation;
And 4th,rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions