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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #45 on: 25 July 2010, 03:03:47 PM »
hmmm

bedanya will/ shall dengan (be+going+ to infinitive) apa?


[at] npng : sama saja

Tapi penggunaanya untuk be going to itu lebih short period (segera dilakukan)
Dalam penggunaannya saat ini sudah di samakan.

 [at] Rina Hong, _/\_

Is the form "to be going to" used to indicate action that is to be done immediately?
or is it the function of the pattern "to be about to" ?

From what I have learned, the form "to be going to" is used to state a plan or an intention; while to indicate something to be done right after the speaker finishes speaking, I usually use the form "to be about to".

Looking forward to your advice.
Thanking you in advance.

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #46 on: 25 July 2010, 03:09:34 PM »
hmmm

bedanya will/ shall dengan (be+going+ to infinitive) apa?


[at] npng : sama saja

Tapi penggunaanya untuk be going to itu lebih short period (segera dilakukan)
Dalam penggunaannya saat ini sudah di samakan.

 [at] Rina Hong, _/\_

Is the form "to be going to" used to indicate action that is to be done immediately?
or is it the function of the pattern "to be about to" ?

From what I have learned, the form "to be going to" is used to state a plan or an intention; while to indicate something to be done right after the speaker finishes speaking, I usually use the form "to be about to".

Looking forward to your advice.
Thanking you in advance.


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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #47 on: 25 July 2010, 03:11:56 PM »
waduh..master english an_atta uda dtg nih...kaboor akh..

 [at] NPNG,
I'm not a master in English, I'm just an avid learner in foreign languages: English and Chinese, however I still need to learn a lot, and I have learned something from your questions and explanation.
Thank you very much _/\_

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #48 on: 25 July 2010, 04:02:55 PM »
 [at] NPNG : thanks, if that so....
lets discuss more, i'm not very good in grammar, also when i was a teacher, I study at home before going to teach.

i hope this thread can remind us about grammar that we have learn before.

^-^ so now... NPNG is a questioner, anattha is an replier... (hehehe)(I'm obsever only)
agree??

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #49 on: 25 July 2010, 04:32:32 PM »
I think this is "English grammar" thread. If there is any questions about vocabulary, let's share at another thread. *just advising...

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #50 on: 25 July 2010, 07:47:25 PM »
^-^ so now... NPNG is a questioner, anattha is an replier... (hehehe)(I'm obsever only)
agree??

Thank you very much for the trust, if there is something that I can help, please kindly let me know. Hopefully we can improve our English together. :)

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #51 on: 25 July 2010, 08:48:11 PM »
mau bagi2 ilmu nih..mudah2an berguna

1. fail

Rule:
a. {S+ fail + infinitive}
b { S + fail + in + noun}

nb: "fail in" can not be followed by gerund

2. forbid

rule:
a. forbid + gerund
b. forbid + object form+ infinitive
c. forbid + possessive form + gerund

forbid can not take preposition from

3. stop

a. stop + inf  --> begin the action, misalnya: stop to work; it's time to work
b stop + gerund --> cease the action, misalnya: stop working; it's time to rest

beda kan??

4. a. regret, forget+remember + inf --> the action in the inf is the second action
b regret, forget, remember + gerund -->  the action in the gerund is the first action

5. try + inf --> berusaha
try + gerund --> mencoba-coba

6.

advise, allow, permit, suggest + gerund
advise, allow, permit, suggest + possessive adjective + gerund
advise, allow, permit, suggest + object form + infinitive
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #52 on: 02 August 2010, 10:32:33 PM »
ci rina, yg   future possible,   present unreal,   past unreal   gmn?
ble minta tlg jelasin g?
g ngerti neh..

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #53 on: 11 August 2010, 02:55:49 PM »
Namaste Sis Rina & Sis Yi Fang _/\_
Yi Fang, are you talking about the "if clause"?

If you don't mind, I'll try to answer your question, the references for these explanation below are gotten from: http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/en/grammar/if.htm ,
http://www.edufind.com/english/grammar/if1.cfm ,
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conditional2.htm with some modifications.

You may check those websites for a more complete explanation or search from the google with the keyword: "if clause".

There are three types of the if-clauses.

Type I : Condition possible to fulfill (real conditional sentences); can be fulfilled if the condition in the if-clause is fulfilled.
Type II: unreal conditional sentences in the present - contrary to the fact at the present time.
Type III: unreal conditional sentences in the past. - contrary to the fact in the past.

PATTERNS:
type    if clause            main clause

I    Simple Present     will + infinitive
II    Simple Past             would + infinitive
III    Past Perfect            would + have + past participle

The Type 1 conditional, where the tense in the 'if clause is the simple present, and the tense in the main clause is the simple future.
Uses of the Conditional

   1. First conditional
         1. Nature: Open condition, what is said in the condition is possible.
         2. Time: This condition refers either to present or to future time.
            e.g. If he is late, we will have to go without him.
            If my mother knows about this, we are in serious trouble.

The Type 2 conditional, where the tense in the 'if' clause is the simple past, and the tense in the main clause is the past future tense.
Second conditional

   1. Nature: unreal (impossible) or improbable situations.
   2. Time: present; the TENSE is past, but we are talking about the present, now
e.g., If I became president, I would change the social security system. (Said by a schoolboy: improbable)

The Type 3 conditional, where the tense in the 'if' clause is the past perfect, and the tense in the main clause is the past future perfect.
   1. Nature: unreal
   2. Time: Past (so we are talking about a situation that was not so in the past.)
      e.g. If you had warned me, I would not have told your father about that party. (But you didn't, and I have).

If you have any doubts about the English vocabularies, you may check them at: http://uuu.sederet.com/translate.php
Hope it helps. :)

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #54 on: 13 August 2010, 01:25:26 PM »
SIs an :
can you please explain this subject in Indonesia?
some beginner may be don't understand.

Thanks,
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #55 on: 14 August 2010, 09:25:19 PM »
ci annata, ble minta tlg pke b. indo z g??
c0zny, g ngerti pk b. ing... ;D
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #56 on: 21 August 2010, 09:13:48 PM »
Hii all...

Mohon bimbingannya yach...
bahasa inggris aku juga sedikit2 gt....
Aku paling kesulitan kalo pada ucapan..gimana yach???

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #57 on: 24 August 2010, 04:25:56 PM »
Hii all...

Mohon bimbingannya yach...
bahasa inggris aku juga sedikit2 gt....
Aku paling kesulitan kalo pada ucapan..gimana yach???

Menurut aku, hrs banyak latihan dan beranikan ngomong walaupun grammar itu salah.. Karena dengan begitu, kamu akan belajar dari kesalahan yang kamu perbuat

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #58 on: 03 September 2010, 03:07:27 PM »
Rina, how old are you?
ur english is very good. :)

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #59 on: 03 September 2010, 05:43:17 PM »
Namaste Sis Rina & Sis Yi Fang _/\_
Yi Fang, are you talking about the "if clause"?

If you don't mind, I'll try to answer your question, the references for these explanation below are gotten from: http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/en/grammar/if.htm ,
http://www.edufind.com/english/grammar/if1.cfm ,
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conditional2.htm with some modifications.

You may check those websites for a more complete explanation or search from the google with the keyword: "if clause".

There are three types of the if-clauses.

Type I : Condition possible to fulfill (real conditional sentences); can be fulfilled if the condition in the if-clause is fulfilled.
Type II: unreal conditional sentences in the present - contrary to the fact at the present time.
Type III: unreal conditional sentences in the past. - contrary to the fact in the past.

PATTERNS:
type    if clause            main clause

I    Simple Present     will + infinitive
II    Simple Past             would + infinitive
III    Past Perfect            would + have + past participle

The Type 1 conditional, where the tense in the 'if clause is the simple present, and the tense in the main clause is the simple future.
Uses of the Conditional

   1. First conditional
         1. Nature: Open condition, what is said in the condition is possible.
         2. Time: This condition refers either to present or to future time.
            e.g. If he is late, we will have to go without him.
            If my mother knows about this, we are in serious trouble.

The Type 2 conditional, where the tense in the 'if' clause is the simple past, and the tense in the main clause is the past future tense.
Second conditional

   1. Nature: unreal (impossible) or improbable situations.
   2. Time: present; the TENSE is past, but we are talking about the present, now
e.g., If I became president, I would change the social security system. (Said by a schoolboy: improbable)

The Type 3 conditional, where the tense in the 'if' clause is the past perfect, and the tense in the main clause is the past future perfect.
   1. Nature: unreal
   2. Time: Past (so we are talking about a situation that was not so in the past.)
      e.g. If you had warned me, I would not have told your father about that party. (But you didn't, and I have).

If you have any doubts about the English vocabularies, you may check them at: http://uuu.sederet.com/translate.php
Hope it helps. :)


Referensi penjelasan ini diambil dari link dibawah ini:
http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/en/grammar/if.htm]http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/en/grammar/if.htm[/url] ,
http://www.edufind.com/english/grammar/if1.cfm]http://www.edufind.com/english/grammar/if1.cfm[/url] ,
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conditional2.htm]http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conditional2.htm[/url] with some modifications.

Ada 3 Tipe if-clause:
1.   Tipe pertama : Kondisi yang memungkinkan untuk dipenuhi (kalimat pengandaian yang nyata); dapat dipenuhi jika kondisi dalam if-clause dipenuhi
2.   Tipe Kedua : Kondisi tidak nyata dalam kehidupan sehari-hari-berlawanan dengan fakta kehidupan sehari-hari
3.   Tipe Ketiga: Kondisi tidak nyata di masa lampau – berlawanan dengan fakta di masa lampau

Pola ;

Tipe    if clause            main clause[/b]
I    Simple Present     will + infinitive
II    Simple Past             would + infinitive
III    Past Perfect            would + have + past participle

Catatan:
Infinitive : verb 1 misalnya take, verb 1 tetap take.

Contoh tipe2 if clause:

1.   Tipe Pertama
         1. Kondisi terbuka, apa yang dikatakan bisa saja terjadi
         2. Waktu: Kondisi tersebut mewakili kehidupan sehari-hari

            Contoh: If he is late, we will have to go without him.
                  If my mother knows about this, we are in serious trouble.

      Jika dia telat, kami akan pergi tanpa dia
      Jika ibu kami tahu mengenai hal ini, kami akan dapat masalah serius
2.   Tipe kedua
Jika kondisi tersebut dalam bentuk masa lampau dan if-clause yang digunakan di masa lampau juga.
Kondisi yang tidak mungkin terjadi
Waktu : membicarakan masa kini tapi menggunakan kata di masa lampau



Contoh:
 If I became president, I would change the social security system. (Said by a schoolboy: improbable)

Jika saya menjadi presiden, saya akan merubah system keamanan social ( Kata seorang murid : kenyataannya tidak mungkin terjadi)

Tipe Ketiga:

Dimana tense yang digunakan if-clause adalah past perfect dan tense utama nya ada past future perfect
   1. Keadaan: Tidak nyata
   2. Waktu: Lampau(Past) – jadi kita membicarakan situasi dimana sebenarnya tidak terjadi benar di masa lampau
Contoh:

 If you had warned me, I would not have told your father about that party. (But you didn't, and I have).

Jika (A) kamu telah memperingatiku, (B) aku tidak akan memberitahu ayahmu mengenai pesta itu (kenyataannya A tidak memperingati B dan B telah memberitahu ayahnya mengenai pesta itu)