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[sanjiva]

Baca kisah latar belakang Sanghadisesa 8, di mana Sang Buddha menginstruksikan Sangha utk mengusir Bhikkhuni Mettiya karena memfitnah Bhikkhu Dabba Mallaputta telah memperkosanya.

Sementara ini ketemu penjelasannya sbb :
8. Should any bhikkhu, malicious, angered, displeased, charge a (fellow) bhikkhu with an unfounded case involving defeat, (thinking), "Surely with this I may bring about his fall from the celibate life," then regardless of whether or not he is cross-examined on a later occasion, if the issue is unfounded and the bhikkhu confesses his anger, it entails initial and subsequent meetings of the Community.

    "Now at that time a householder who served fine food gave food to the Community on a regular basis, four bhikkhus every day. (One day) he happened to go on some business to the monastery. He went to where Ven. Dabba Mallaputta was staying and on arrival bowed to him and sat down to one side....Ven. Dabba Mallaputta roused... him with a Dhamma talk. Then the householder with fine food...said to Dabba Mallaputta, 'To whom, sir, is tomorrow's meal in our house assigned?'

    "'To (the) followers of Mettiya and Bhummajaka, householder.' [Mettiya and Bhummajaka were among the leaders of the group-of-six, a faction notorious for its shameless behavior, and instigators of many of the situations that compelled the Buddha to formulate training rules.]

    "This upset the householder with fine food. Thinking, 'How can these evil bhikkhus eat in our house?' he returned home and ordered his female slave: 'Hey. Those who are coming for a meal tomorrow: Prepare a seat for them in the storeroom and serve them unhusked rice porridge with pickle brine.'

    "'As you say, master,' the female slave answered....

    "Then the followers of Mettiya and Bhummajaka said to one another, 'Yesterday we were assigned a meal at the house of the householder with fine food. Tomorrow, attending with his wife and children, he will serve us. Some will offer rice, some will offer curry, some oil, and some dainties.' Because of their joy, they didn't sleep as much that night as they had hoped.

    "Early the next morning...they went to the home of the householder with fine food. The female slave saw them coming from afar. Preparing them a seat in the storeroom, she said to them, 'Have a seat, honored sirs.'

    "The thought occurred to the followers of Mettiya and Bhummajaka, 'No doubt the food isn't ready yet, which is why we are being made to sit in the storeroom.'

    "Then the female slave brought them unhusked rice porridge with pickle brine and said, 'Eat, honored sirs.'

    "'Sister, we've come for the regular meal.'

    "'I know you've come for the regular meal. But yesterday the householder ordered me, "Hey. Those who are coming for a meal tomorrow: Prepare a seat for them in the storeroom and serve them unhusked rice porridge with pickle brine." So eat, honored sirs.'

    "Then the followers of Mettiya and Bhummajaka said to one another, 'Yesterday the householder with fine food went to the monastery and met with Dabba Mallaputta. No doubt Dabba Mallaputta turned him against us.' Because of their disappointment, they didn't eat as much as they had hoped.

    "Then they returned to the monastery and, putting away their robes and bowls, went to the storeroom outside the gate and sat on their outer cloaks, their arms around their knees, silent, abashed, their shoulders drooping, their heads down, brooding, at a loss for words.

    "Then Mettiya Bhikkhuni came along and said to them, 'I salute you, masters.' But when she had said this, they didn't respond. A second time...A third time she said, 'I salute you, masters.' And a third time they didn't respond.

    "'Have I offended you, masters? Why don't you respond to me?'

    "'Because you stand by doing nothing, sister, when Dabba Mallaputta treats us like dirt.'

    "'What can I do?'

    "'If you like, you could get the Blessed One to expel Dabba Mallaputta right this very day.'

    "'What can I do? How could I do that?'

    "'Come, sister. Go to where the Blessed One is and say this: "It is unfitting, Lord, and improper. The quarter without dread, without harm, without danger, is (now) the quarter with dread, with harm, with danger. Where there is calm, there is a windstorm. The water, as it were, is ablaze. I have been raped by Master Dabba Mallaputta."'

    "'As you say, masters.' (And she went to carry out their bidding.)"

This is just the heart of the origin story to this rule, which is one of the longest and most controversial accounts in the Vinaya. After Mettiya Bhikkhuni made her charge, the Buddha convened a meeting of the Sangha to question Ven. Dabba Mallaputta. The latter, who had attained arahantship at the age of seven, responded truthfully that he could not call to mind ever having indulged in sexual intercourse even in a dream, much less when awake. The Buddha then told the Sangha to expel Mettiya Bhikkhuni and returned to his quarters.

According to the Commentary, the expulsion of Mettiya Bhikkhuni was one of the controversial points in the split between the Mahayanist bhikkhus in the Abhayagiri Vihara and the Theravadin bhikkhus of the Mahavihara in the old Sri Lankan capital of Anuradhapura. Even modern scholars have objected to the Buddha's treatment of Mettiya Bhikkhuni and interpret this passage as a "monkish gloss," as if the Buddha himself were not a monk, and the entire Canon were not the work of monks and nuns. The Commentary maintains that the Buddha acted as he did because he knew if he treated her less harshly, the followers of Mettiya and Bhummajaka would never have volunteered the information that they had put her up to making the charge in the first place, and the truth would never have come out. This would have led some people to remain secretly convinced of Ven. Dabba Mallaputta's guilt and -- because he was an arahant -- would have been for their long-term detriment.

At any rate, what concerns us here is that at some point after this rule was formulated, the Buddha put the Sangha in charge of judging accusations of this sort and gave them a definite pattern to follow in order to ensure that their judgments would be accurate and fair. Because the Vibhanga and Commentary to this rule are based on this pattern, we will discuss the pattern first before dealing with the special case -- unfounded charges -- covered by this rule.

Jadi pelaku lapangan si bhikkhuni ini diusir langsung oleh Sang Buddha sementara bhikkhu2 yang menyuruh tidak sampai kena hukuman demikian. 

[Indra]

Jadi pelaku lapangan si bhikkhuni ini diusir langsung oleh Sang Buddha sementara bhikkhu2 yang menyuruh tidak sampai kena hukuman demikian. 

lebih tepat dikatakn diusir oleh Sangha.

oknum yg menyuruh sptnya agak sulit dibuktikan dalam hal ini, karena mungkin tidak ada saksi pihak ke 3

[juli wu]

P Indra  ,ada link yg bahasa indo nya gak 

[hemayanti]

P Indra  ,ada link yg bahasa indo nya gak 

sama seperti yang kumau.

[Indra]

P Indra  ,ada link yg bahasa indo nya gak 

sama seperti yang kumau.

lembaga penerjemahan Tipitaka dari medan (ITC) telah menerbitkan terjemahan lengkap Vinaya Pitaka, tapi saya coba google masih belum ketemu, silakan dicari

[sanjiva]

lembaga penerjemahan Tipitaka dari medan (ITC) telah menerbitkan terjemahan lengkap Vinaya Pitaka, tapi saya coba google masih belum ketemu, silakan dicari

Gw ada versi ga lengkapnya, tapi pdfnya ga bisa copy paste textnya 

[Indra]

Gw ada versi ga lengkapnya, tapi pdfnya ga bisa copy paste textnya 

kirimkan aja lewat email kepada yg berminat atau kirim ke sumedho [at] dhammacitta.org biar diupload ke perpustakaan DC

[hemayanti]

kirimkan aja lewat email kepada yg berminat atau kirim ke sumedho [at] dhammacitta.org biar diupload ke perpustakaan DC

ya betul sekali.

[Sumedho]

 [at] juli Wu: utk menggunakan kain sebagai perantara jika menerima persembahan dari wanita, itu bukan di vinaya dan hanya tradisi di thailand. Tapi ada bagusnya jg, menghindari persentuhan, tapi jika nda ada kain, tidak ada alasan jg utk tidak menerima tanpa menyentuh.

[at] sanjiva, indra, hemayanti: ditunggu

[hemayanti]

bukan yang ini yah?
http://dhammacitta.org/dcpedia/Peraturan_Kedisiplinan_Bhikkhu:_Panduan_Bagi_Umat_Awam_%28Dhammavuddho%29

[Indra]

[at] sanjiva, indra, hemayanti: ditunggu

nunggu apa dari gue?

[hemayanti]

nunggu apa dari gue?

bukan kitanya yang disuruh tunggu om?

[sanjiva]

[at] sanjiva, indra, hemayanti: ditunggu

Kalau gw lihat covernya koq kayaknya DC sendiri yang terbitkan ebooknya seperti pada panah di bawah :
URL downloadnya tidak gw catat waktu save file ini.




Ini cover dalamnya juga ada DCnya :




Tapi belum selesai kayaknya buku ini, masih ada kelanjutannya.  Dan sayangnya isinya tidak bisa di-copy-paste, jadi susah kalau mau dikutip di forum 

[sanjiva]

nunggu apa dari gue?

Nunggu ijo-ijonya cendol kaleee 

[sanjiva]

Kalau gw lihat covernya koq kayaknya DC sendiri yang terbitkan ebooknya seperti pada panah di bawah :
URL downloadnya tidak gw catat waktu save file ini.

Ini cover dalamnya juga ada DCnya :

Tapi belum selesai kayaknya buku ini, masih ada kelanjutannya.  Dan sayangnya isinya tidak bisa di-copy-paste, jadi susah kalau mau dikutip di forum 

Masih menunggu jawaban dari tuhan