HAM di tibet, waktu dipemerintahi Dalai

[K.K.]

Tepatnya itu adalah propaganda cina untuk menyudutkan Dalai Lama, makanya China mengangkat Dalai lama versi China yang diakui..

Pemberi nobel juga bukanlah org bodoh. Masa kejahatan HAM berat bisa masuk nobel perdamaian. Makanya yg buat artikel itu psikopat politik .

Yang diberi Nobel perdamaian itu Dalai Lama ke 14, sedangkan "bukti perbudakan" itu adalah sebelum era Dalai Lama ke 14 (yang baru lahir di tahun 1935).

Pemberi Nobel memang jelas bukan orang bodoh. Mereka ada adalah alat politik. Dalai Lama dalam "perjuangannya" selalu memihak barat dan terkesan "menyudutkan" China, padahal kita tahu siapa negara yang paling banyak melakukan pelanggaran HAM. Yang saya tahu, tidak ada dalam sejarah bahwa China melakukan invasi ke negara lain.
Tentang Nobel itu sendiri, mungkin bagi pemerhati kontroversi ini sudah tahu mengapa Mahatma Gandhi dan Mark Twain bisa tidak pernah mendapatkan Nobel.

[truth lover]

Tepatnya itu adalah propaganda cina untuk menyudutkan Dalai Lama, makanya China mengangkat Dalai lama versi China yang diakui..

Pemberi nobel juga bukanlah org bodoh. Masa kejahatan HAM berat bisa masuk nobel perdamaian. Makanya yg buat artikel itu psikopat politik .

Yang diberi Nobel perdamaian itu Dalai Lama ke 14, sedangkan "bukti perbudakan" itu adalah sebelum era Dalai Lama ke 14 (yang baru lahir di tahun 1935).

Pemberi Nobel memang jelas bukan orang bodoh. Mereka ada adalah alat politik. Dalai Lama dalam "perjuangannya" selalu memihak barat dan terkesan "menyudutkan" China, padahal kita tahu siapa negara yang paling banyak melakukan pelanggaran HAM. Yang saya tahu, tidak ada dalam sejarah bahwa China melakukan invasi ke negara lain.
Tentang Nobel itu sendiri, mungkin bagi pemerhati kontroversi ini sudah tahu mengapa Mahatma Gandhi dan Mark Twain bisa tidak pernah mendapatkan Nobel.

benar mas Kai, Mahatma gandhi tidak dapat hadiah nobel, tapi uskup Belo (timtim) dan uskup desmond Tutu (afsel) dapat hadiah nobel. opo tumon?

pantas bila dipertanyakan motif pemberian nobel perdamaian.

[bond]

Tepatnya itu adalah propaganda cina untuk menyudutkan Dalai Lama, makanya China mengangkat Dalai lama versi China yang diakui..

Pemberi nobel juga bukanlah org bodoh. Masa kejahatan HAM berat bisa masuk nobel perdamaian. Makanya yg buat artikel itu psikopat politik .

Yang diberi Nobel perdamaian itu Dalai Lama ke 14, sedangkan "bukti perbudakan" itu adalah sebelum era Dalai Lama ke 14 (yang baru lahir di tahun 1935).

Pemberi Nobel memang jelas bukan orang bodoh. Mereka ada adalah alat politik. Dalai Lama dalam "perjuangannya" selalu memihak barat dan terkesan "menyudutkan" China, padahal kita tahu siapa negara yang paling banyak melakukan pelanggaran HAM. Yang saya tahu, tidak ada dalam sejarah bahwa China melakukan invasi ke negara lain.
Tentang Nobel itu sendiri, mungkin bagi pemerhati kontroversi ini sudah tahu mengapa Mahatma Gandhi dan Mark Twain bisa tidak pernah mendapatkan Nobel.

Artinya bukan Dalai Lama yg melakukan perbudakan bukan?
Apa maksud pemerintahan Dalai? apakah Dalai Lama 14 atau apa?
Lalu Dalai lama lahir tahun 1935 dan dikatakan kudeta militer 1959 berarti umurnya 24..lucu umur segitu bisa kudeta...yg paling mungkin dia boneka saja untuk kepentingan kudeta.
Dan saya pernah menonton film Kundun, justru Chinalah yg menginvasi Tibet. Apa mungkin sebuah negara menjadi China tanpa perlawanan? Yang mungkin China invasi dan muncul perlawanan ini yg saya tau. Dari segi kekuatan militer mustahil tiba2 china masuk dan diterima militernya lalu di kudeta. Ini logika politik. Kalau tidak ada masalah mengapa china ke sana, alasan membasmi perbudakan atau mencaplok negara
China masuk ke tibet dengan kekuatan militer yg besar, tentara tibet hanya menahan serangan, kalau kudeta artinya melancarkan serangan terlebih dahulu. Apa mungkin tibet tentaranya yg secuil mau kudeta..ada2 saja bukan..senjatanya saja cuma bedil 

Dan jika nobel diberikan untuk kepentingan barat tentu itu bisa dimaklumi tetapi China juga melakukan propaganda bukan? dua sisi yg harus kita lihat
Dan ketiga kalau Dalai Lama 14 menyetujui perbudakan, maka kejahatan HAM pasti akan tercium dan protes tidak hanya dari cina tapi seluruh dunia bukan.? Lalu apakah Dia mengajarkan itu dalam ajarannya.? Yang saya tau dia mengajarkan cinta kasih.

Bisa saja tokoh masyarakat atau raja tibet yg melakukan itu atau pemuka agama setempat, atau tantrayana yg tersesat, bukan Tantrayana Buddhist. PAtut diingat disana ada agama yg namanya agama bon (tapi bukan bond ya beda  ). Nah mungkin agam bon ini lah yg menggunakan ritual manusia dan perbudakan..

[ryu]

Berarti perbudakan ada dalam sejarah Buddhist Tibet.

[williamhalim]

Artikel tsb... gambar nya apa ceritanya apa.... gambar2 tsb juga bisa mengemukakan kekejaman di china asal kalimat dibawahnya ditukar... gampang saja.

Dugaanku cerita ini hanyalah 'another panic story' (disamping cerita2 lain seperti 'kesaksian bhiksu dari neraka' yg norax itu).

Mengenai invasi china ke tibet, banyak versi, tergantung persepsi masing2. China akan mengatakan bahwa Tibet adalah bagian dari China dan Tibet mengatakan mereka adalah suatu bangsa tersendiri.

Sedangkan Nobel kepada Dalai Lama, juga banyak pro dan kontra, biasalah, sama juga dengan perjuangan Beliau, banyak Pro dan Kontra. Apakah China sendiri tersudutkan? Apakah Barat lebih banyak melanggar HAM dibanding China? Bisa ya bisa Tidak, masih diperlukan data2 yg lebih lengkap untuk bisa menguatkan pernyataan tsb. China menyimpan banyak kontroversi kekejaman terhadap rakyatnya, demikian juga Barat yg menginvasi negara2 lain demi melindungi sumber minyaknya. Aku menilai podo ae....

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Cerita itu menurutku -apa yg bahasa komputer bilang- HOAX

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[bond]

Berarti perbudakan ada dalam sejarah Buddhist Tibet.

Liat agama bon dan Buddhist Tantra, apakah sama atau beda? Kebanyakan org menyamaratakan keduanya.

Logikanya ajaran cinta kasih Dalai Lama 14 apakah sejalan dengan perbudakan?
kalau tidak maka namanya bukan perbudakan ada dalam sejarah Buddhist tibet TETAPI perbudakan pernah terjadi di Tibet pada rezim tertentu. Karena tidak ada BUKTI valid Dalai Lama menyetujui perbudakan. Jika ada India tidak mungkin mau melindungi Dalai Lama. Bahkan membiarkan beliau menyebarkan agama Buddha di India dengan tenang bila menyetujui perbudakan.

Makanya seperti bro Willy bilang "artikel itu HOAX"  

[The Ronald]

well.. selama ini china tidak pernah merasa menginvasi tibet ( dari kaca mata mereka tibet, adalah provinsi pembangkang)
soalnya dalam sejarahnya mereka sudah termasuk dalam pemeritahan dinasty2 china
hingga 1910, mereka memberontak dari dinasty qing (dinasty terakhir di china, di bawah bangsa manchuria)
terus menyatakan merdeka.. setelah dinasty qing jatuh
setelah itu china masih sibuk dgn penjajahan jepang, terus perang saudara, sampai akhirnya komunis memantapkan posisinya, baru urusan tibet di selesaikan

[bond]

well.. selama ini china tidak pernah merasa menginvasi tibet ( dari kaca mata mereka tibet, adalah provinsi pembangkang)
soalnya dalam sejarahnya mereka sudah termasuk dalam pemeritahan dinasty2 china
hingga 1910, mereka memberontak dari dinasty qing (dinasty terakhir di china, di bawah bangsa manchuria)
terus menyatakan merdeka.. setelah dinasty qing jatuh
setelah itu china masih sibuk dgn penjajahan jepang, terus perang saudara, sampai akhirnya komunis memantapkan posisinya, baru urusan tibet di selesaikan

Betul China tidak merasa menginvasi tapi menyerang terlebih dahulu kan..
Kalau kata Kudeta artinya Tibet menyerang China. Nyatanya apakah Dalai Lama menyerang china. Manchuria sih wajar di berontak pada saat terakhir karena korupnya ngak karuan. Maka ada muncul namanya forbidden city. Jadi wajarlah berontak tetapi  tidak ada hubungannya dengan Dalai Lama seperti artikel hoax tadi.
Menyatakan merdeka semua belahan bumi berhak dan pasti ada konflik. Tapi apakah itu kudeta atau memerdekakan diri?

Makanya kata kudeta itu mengada-ada. Masalah sejarah kemerdekaan dan lain2 tidak ada hubungannya dengan keagamaan. Ini harus dipisahkan. Kecuali perang atas nama agama.
Kenyataanya Tibet memerdekakan diri tidak menggunakan bendera agama. Ada raja dan pemerintahannya.

Yang lucu kenapa China nyeruduk masuk, kenapa ngak negosiasi dulu sama tibet ?nyeruduk dengan otoriter pula he..he

[GandalfTheElder]

Saya kira perbudakan ada di setiap negara, terlalu berlebihan apabila dikatakan Tibet itu full perbudakan. Ada berbagai penelitian2 ilmiah dan paper2 yang menyangkal perbudakan di Tibet. Akan saya beri referensinya nanti.

Demikian juga yang menyetujui memang juga banyak. Nah semuanya tetep pro dan kontra dan kita tidak tinggal di Tibet dan tidak mengetahui bagaimana yang sebenarnya, apa bijaksana untuk menjudge berita di atas sebagai fakta / kenyataan? Apalagi itu permainan politik semua.

Katanya ehipassiko, tapi begitu denger desas desus semacam yg di atas saja sudah langsung percaya. Apanya yg ehipassiko?? Bahkan foto2 di atas pun bisa saja dimanipulasi.

Lagipula masalah kulit manusia di atas segala itu praktik apaan? Di Buddhis sama sekali tidak ada, pake kulit manusia segala mau ngapain? Bangsa Tibet memang ada yang masih terbelakang, tidak dipungkiri. Bahkan waktu Padmasambhava pertama kali datang ke Tibet, bangsa Tibet itu dideskripsikan sebagai setan merah, pokoknya banyak deh sifat jeleknya.

Nah bisa saja ada beberapa anggota masyarakat yang belum tersentuh agama Buddha secara maksimal, contohnya masih banyak juga yang menganut agama Bon, agama asli Tibet. Bahkan dulu waktu para pandita Buddhis tiba di Tibet mereka sangat terkejut melihat perilaku barbar orang Tibet yang membunuh hewan2, mengorbankannya dsb.


The Siddha Wanderer

[GandalfTheElder]

Zhu Rui Discovered the Truth About Tibet

Zhu Rui is Chinese. As a child she was taught that the Dalai Lama was "a flayer of human skin, a demon who picked flesh from human bones." But her attitude completely changed when she actually went to Tibet, where she lived and worked from 1998 to 2001. In Tibet, she saw people living in poverty. However, she was told that before the Chinese invasion, "even ordinary farmers used to live in three-story buildings - the kind made from stone with the top floor used as a family prayer hall, the family house on the middle floor and the ground floor for the livestock. They never ran short of food, they had plenty of yaks and sheep. They were really pretty satisfied with their lives back then. This is completely different from what we read in text-books and what we're told."

The Tibetan Women's Association has recently published the book "Response to White Paper" (written in Chinese), Zhu's response to the September 2008 "White Paper on Protection of Tibetan Culture" released by the Press Department, State Council of the "People's" Republic of China (which in turn was written in response to the Dalai Lama's public accusations of cultural genocide). The paper states that the accusations of cultural genocide were "fabricated by the 14th Dalai Lama and his cohorts. The 14th Dalai Lama and his clique fled abroad nearly half a century ago, and have never made any efforts for or contributions to the protection and development of Tibetan culture... the Chinese government has dedicated a large amount of manpower, materials and funds to the protection and promotion of fine traditional Tibetan culture, and vigorously developed modern scientific, educational and cultural undertakings in Tibet, bringing about unprecedented protection and development of Tibetan culture."

During the preparation of her book, Zhu met with many Tibetan exiles, including some that had just escaped from Tibet. She was impressed by the accomplishments which have been realized due to the Dalai Lama's insistence on the preservation of Tibetan culture values, as Tibetan monastic, cultural and educational centers have been established all over the world. She was also impressed by the democratic values of the Tibetan government in exile and the Tibetans people's contribution to civilization.

At a press conference for her book Zhu Rui declared, "The Chinese government has not only destroyed thousands of centuries-old Buddhist monasteries and interfered in their practices; it is now causing rampant destruction to Tibet's fragile eco-system thereby endangering the very setup of the Tibetan people's traditional and cultural way of life. Thousands of Tibetan nomadic tribes are already being forced to resettle into permanent houses under state-sponsored program to make way for China's ambitions and self-fulfilling interests. China's irresponsible actions in Tibet are silently but fast eroding Tibetan people's rich cultural values." Her book covers the preservation of Tibetan culture, art, medicine, architecture, education and Tibet's contribution to human society.

In December 2008, Zhu wrote an open letter to the Dalai Lama. Here is an excerpt:
"The superficial prosperity (in China) cannot conceal the void within. The need to reform bad governance is a fact that has been placed before every Chinese person. If the Communist leaders continue to be arrogant and imperious on the question of Tibet and coerce and trample upon the Tibetan people, and deceive and mislead the Chinese masses, and if they continue to deny your irreplaceable value towards peace in the world and your unrivaled spiritual contributions, and adhere to the inhuman logic of "power grows from the barrel of a gun," their days will come to a sudden end one not too distant dawn."

Zhu now resides in Canada. Due to her blog, which is mostly in Chinese, she has been attacked and threatened. She has been advised by friends not to return to China and hopes that her book will change the opinions of at least some Chinese citizens, who only hear the CCP version of the situation in occupied Tibet. Zhu is certain that the regime's control over the country is not as ironclad as it seems. "People are becoming desperate under this kind of rule. They are protesting all over China, not just inside Tibet."

Sources:
http://www.unmadeinchina.org/contStd.asp?lang=en&idPag=631


The Siddha Wanderer

[GandalfTheElder]

An Open Letter from a Han Chinese to Dalai Lama
Revered Dalai Lama

Chinese Writer Zhu Rui

I have to tell you that my impression of you in my childhood and youth was that you were a flayer of human skin, a demon who picked flesh from human bones. From this point alone, you have probably guessed that I am Han Chinese. Indeed, I grew up within the Communist education system. But in 1997, I chanced upon an opportunity to travel to Tibet. That was the first time I (secretly) saw your photograph, your kind and compassionate visage, and it made me doubt the Communists' propaganda.

At the Festival of the Bodhisattva of Good Fortune that year, I went early to the Zulakang temple where the Bodhisattva's covering had already been removed, and in the light as soon as I saw her face, the sound of a voice rose behind me. It was the mournful yet excited sound of an elderly voice. There before the Songtsen Gampo hall, she sang while she poured wine into a goblet in front of the statue. Men, women and even the children all around immediately joined in the singing, and when the police turned up, their voices rang ever more brightly... "They're praising the Dalai Lama," a monk quietly told me.

That day, I moved out of my hotel and into the former home of a merchant on Barkhor Street. Prior to 1959, the mistress of this family used to wear clothes most days worth 30,000 to 40,000 Renminbi, but now all she had left was two sets of clothes. The home left to her by her ancestors had been demolished. The new home seemed to be worth more, but it was less than half the size of the old one and there was no running water and the communal toilets were constantly blocked, sending their unbearable stench right out into Barkhor Street. This woman had no complaint about being plundered by the Communists, but there was something she was constantly saying, very quietly - I could only ever see her lips moving. I thought she was reciting the mantra, "Wish for a better life to come." But one day, when there were only the two of us and she saw there was no one there outside, she said she was reciting a long-life prayer for you.

In April 1999 I went to Tibet for the second time where I lived in the home of farmers in Rizhika village in Jiru Township, Zalang County, in Rikaze prefecture. There was no running water there and no electricity. At dawn each day, the family traipsed to the river to carry water and in the evenings even the small children sat around the weak oil lamp twisting wool. Selling felt was pretty much the only means of livelihood the villagers had. Our food was very simple, with potatoes for two meals a day (aside from gruel for breakfast) being a luxury. But there in the home, in the place where the most light came in, was a picture of you in an exquisite frame draped all over with long white khada.

Later, I chose to work in Tibet. As an editor and journalist I had the opportunity to meet with some Tibetans who worked in Chinese Communist Party offices, and with my own eyes saw how in the most secret places in their homes they have photographs of you and yak butter lamps that had never been lit.

You are not the enemy of the Tibetan people, you are the father of the Tibetan people; you are the source of the Tibetan people's compassion and happiness. You are Yeshe Norbu, the Tibetan people's wish-fulfilling jewel; you are Kundun, who forever will appear before all Tibetans whenever they call you; and you are Gyalwa Rinpoche, higher than all kings and the most precious of treasures. And evidently, the Communist authorities did not liberate Tibet, they robbed Tibet; they did not sow happiness, they created suffering.

Listening to your lecture at Madison in Wisconsin, I was filled with emotion. An ocean of Buddhist wisdom of the greatest depth and by degree ever more complex was systematically expounded by you until it miraculously became like rain, nourishing and vitalizing your listeners; you did your utmost to answer every everyone's questions, embracing the smallest shred of individual pain and suffering; and even when someone asked a question about China-Tibet relations, with limitless patience and concern you emphasized the excellence of the Chinese nation, and encouraged friendly exchange between the Chinese and Tibetan peoples. And the Communists' evil, their scheming, their corruption and dictatorship, when compared to your compassion, your transparency, your honesty and democracy - all shall undergo the test of time.

In March of this year, the Communists' cruel 50-year colonial rule of Tibet gave rise to peaceful, non-violent protests at more than 100 locations throughout all Tibetan areas. The tragedy is that not only have the Communist leaders failed to reflect upon or adjust their policies in Tibet as a result, but condescendingly they actually dictated to you that there were the "four do not supports" as preconditions to dialog, making the white-hot Tibet question a problem for you personally. Their intention is to smother and even kill off the Tibet question, and Tibet has now become an enormous prison. It's said that in Lhasa, one in three people is a plain-clothed police officer. The military has gone into even the most remote village and all telephone calls from the outside (especially foreign calls) are closely monitored...

Tibet's culture is profound and extensive, ancient and progressive, and I long ago saw the beauty of its traditions in the Tibetan people: devotion, kindness, gratitude, benevolence; and what has China's 5000-year culture left the Han people? Naturally, not all of it has been exquisite, and the Chinese authorities have used those dregs in gruesome details to enslave and shackle the Tibetan people with "traditions of unique benefit to all mankind!" In the twenty-first century when people leap over their countries' fences in a common pursuit of freedom, democracy and human rights, and respect for the singularity of their ethnic culture, it is precisely such colonial behavior as this that the world rejects as a thing of filth. There are more and more deep-thinking and incisive intellectuals in China who are starting to see through the Communists, publicly expressing their own independent views on the Tibet question, demanding an end to totalitarian rule, the implementation of freedom of expression and freedom of the media, withdrawing the accusations against you of being a "splitist of the Motherland", and demanding "a resolution of the Tibet problem by means of respect, tolerance, consultation and dialog."

In the almost 30 years of reform and opening up, the trend has led China towards becoming a "great nation". In actual fact, it's no more than "As China enters the international mainstream, it is hitching a ride towards globalization." The loss of morality has permeated into even China's most remote villages, and evil and dissipation have become the fashion. Hosting the Olympics under circumstances such as these inevitably runs counter to the Olympic spirit. The superficial prosperity cannot conceal the void within. The need to reform bad governance is a fact that has been placed before every Chinese person. If the Communist leaders continue to be arrogant and imperious on the question of Tibet and coerce and trample upon the Tibetan people, and deceive and mislead the Chinese masses, and if they continue to deny your irreplaceable value towards peace in the world and your unrivaled spiritual contributions, and adhere to the inhuman logic of "power grows from the barrel of a gun," their days will come to a sudden end one not too distant dawn. There is no doubt you will return to your land! When you are reunited with the suffering Tibetan people, please extend the warm light of your benevolence to care upon the heavy sins of China's vast land.

May the ship of your compassion forever be among us!

From a Han who sympathizes with the suffering of the Tibetan people, and who has limitless respect for you

http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?article=An+Open+Letter+from+a+Han+Chinese+to+Dalai+Lama&id=23542&t=1&c=4


The Siddha Wanderer

[GandalfTheElder]

Cao Guqiang's article on the honeymoon between Mao Zedong and Dalai Lama, published in Over the Party History, a Chinese journal (in translation):-
In 1954, Dalai Lama visited Beijing to participate the first National People's Congress.  On September 11, Mao Zedong received Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama for the first time in Zhongnanhai and they had a long talk ... On September 27, Dalai Lama was elected to be the Vice Chairman of the Standing Committee of the first National People's Congress ... Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama became the youngest state leaders ... Mao Zedong said: "every nation has its own national leader.  It is good for Tibet to have leaders like Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama."  He also pointed out that in Tibet, people should shout not only "long live Chairman Mao" or "long live Commander-in-Chief Zhu", but also "long live Dalai Lama" and "long live Panchen Lama".  They should display not only the portraits of Chairman Mao and Commander-in-Chief Zhu, but also that of Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama.  Mao Zedong practised what he preached: when the Tibetan delegates to the National Day ceremony chanted "long live the Communist Party" and "long live Chairman Mao", Mao shouted "long live Dalai Lama" and "long live Panchen Lama".

http://voyage.typepad.com/china/2007/01/chairman_mao_lo.html

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Bodh Gaya, Bihar, India, 6 January 2010 (By Nalin Verma, The Telegraph, Calcutta) - Hands folded, the Dalai Lama thanked China. It made the Chinese cry.

The Tibetan spiritual leader today "humbly" paid his "gratitude" to China, turning a yearly peace lecture into an appeal to win over enemy hearts as he reached out to the country that has dismissed his freedom struggle as a separatist movement.

"The mother of Mao Zedong (the founding head of communist China) was a Buddhist. And Buddhism has been the primary religion of China.," the Dalai Lama told a 200-strong Chinese group who had come to hear him speak on the second day of his five-day World Peace Lecture.

"I humbly pay my gratitude to you and China which accepted Buddhism as its religion and ethos three centuries earlier than Tibet," he added, hands folded.

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Ya. Ibu dari Mao Zedong adalah seorang Buddhis yang taat, ibu beliau sangat berdevosi pada Buddha dan rajin melafalkan nama Buddha. Mao kecil dianak angkatkan pada Avalokitesvara Bodhisattva oleh ibunya.

Mao Zedong juga kagum pada ajaran Buddha dan pada sesepuh Chan ke-6, Yang Arya Huineng. Mao Zedong juga snagat suka mempelajari Vajracchedika Prajnaparamita Sutra, Prajnaparamita Hrdaya Sutra, Saddharmapundarika Sutra dan Mahaparinirvana Sutra.

"Sutra Vajracchedika layak untuk dibaca. Saya juga ingin mendalami Buddhisme." (Mao Zedong)


The Siddha Wanderer

[The Ronald]

well.. selama ini china tidak pernah merasa menginvasi tibet ( dari kaca mata mereka tibet, adalah provinsi pembangkang)
soalnya dalam sejarahnya mereka sudah termasuk dalam pemeritahan dinasty2 china
hingga 1910, mereka memberontak dari dinasty qing (dinasty terakhir di china, di bawah bangsa manchuria)
terus menyatakan merdeka.. setelah dinasty qing jatuh
setelah itu china masih sibuk dgn penjajahan jepang, terus perang saudara, sampai akhirnya komunis memantapkan posisinya, baru urusan tibet di selesaikan

Betul China tidak merasa menginvasi tapi menyerang terlebih dahulu kan..
Kalau kata Kudeta artinya Tibet menyerang China. Nyatanya apakah Dalai Lama menyerang china. Manchuria sih wajar di berontak pada saat terakhir karena korupnya ngak karuan. Maka ada muncul namanya forbidden city. Jadi wajarlah berontak tetapi  tidak ada hubungannya dengan Dalai Lama seperti artikel hoax tadi.
Menyatakan merdeka semua belahan bumi berhak dan pasti ada konflik. Tapi apakah itu kudeta atau memerdekakan diri?

Makanya kata kudeta itu mengada-ada. Masalah sejarah kemerdekaan dan lain2 tidak ada hubungannya dengan keagamaan. Ini harus dipisahkan. Kecuali perang atas nama agama.
Kenyataanya Tibet memerdekakan diri tidak menggunakan bendera agama. Ada raja dan pemerintahannya.

Yang lucu kenapa China nyeruduk masuk, kenapa ngak negosiasi dulu sama tibet ?nyeruduk dengan otoriter pula he..he

btw.. aku ga ngomong ttg kudeta, yg aku tau memang sempat perang antara pasukan dalai lama ke 13 dan pasukan qing
sebelum tibet sempat perang lawan inggris

aku juga ga bilang klo post di atas itu hoax ato asli...

yg aku mo klarifikasi hanyalah sebatas masalah invasi...

masalah tampa negosasi, dan serangan mendadak..
itu masalah taktik perang
kurasa tibet sudah tau bahwa china tidak mengiginkan tibet merdeka
dan dalam perang sebenarnya, diplomasi hanya dilakukan jika ke 2 pihak akan mengalami kerugian yg sama besar (baik dalam maupun luar negri)
jujur saja, taktik demikian, mencegah provinsi2 lain mencoba untuk merdeka
bayangkan negara sebesar china sibuk untuk negosiasi agar tibet ga merdeka? jelas menunjukan ketidakmapuan militer

[GandalfTheElder]

Pengetahuan ttg Tibet yang lain adalah dari surat 70000 huruf dari Panchen Lama ke-10 sendiri yang menjadi saksi semuanya:

" Before democratic reform, there were more than 2,500 large, medium and small monasteries in Tibet [ TAR region, not including the whole of Tibet ]. After democratic reform, only 70-odd monasteries were kept in existence by the government. This was a reduction of more than 97% ... In the whole of Tibet in the past there was a total of about 110,000 monks and nuns. Of those, possibly 10,000 fled abroad, leaving about 100,000. After democratic reform was concluded, the number of monks and nuns living in the monasteries was about 7000 people, which is a reduction of 93% ..."

" Those who have religious knowledge will slowly die out, and religious affairs are stagnating, knowledge is not being passed on, there is a worry about there being no new people to train, and so we see the elimination of Buddhism, which was flourishing in Tibet and which transmitted teachings and enlightenment. This is something which I and more than 90% of Tibetans cannot endure".

"... there has been an evident and severe reduction in the present-day Tibetan population. Needless to say this was not only harmful to the flourishing of the Tibetan nationality, but it was also a great threat to the continued existence of the Tibetan nationality, which was sinking into a state close to death".

" Because the amount of grain was not enough to feed even those with the lowest requirements, the fire of bitterness and hunger was ignited, and so dregs of fat, grain husks and so on which formerly in Tibet were fodder for horses and donkeys, bulls and oxen, because hard to get and were considered nourishing and fragrant foods. Also, in order to make the food appear more and to dispel one day's hunger and bitterness, the responsible people in the canteens, apart from gathering together a lot of grass, which was more or less edible, even gathered together tree bark, leaves, grass roots and grass seeds, which really were not edible.
After processing this, they mixed it with a bit of foodstuffs, made it into a thin gruel like pig food and gave it to the people to eat, and even this was limited in amount and could not fill their stomachs...
In some places, many people directly starved to death because the food ran out; therefore, in some places, there was a phenomenon of whole families dying out. The mortality rate was critical. These were abnormal deaths all caused by lack of food, and in fact they all should be counted as having starved to death".

Yang lainnya:

http://www.friends-of-tibet.org.nz/panchen-lama.html
http://www.subliminal.org/tibet/testimony/1962-panchen.html
http://pa-in.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=68643736400&topic=7169


The Siddha Wanderer

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