Telur dan ayam

[Johsun]

Kalo nurut budis, pada saat bumi baru terbentk itu makhluk abhasara chaya yg makan tanah, stlah makan tanah itu kmudian menjadi ayam dulu.

[markosprawira]

 [at] Jhonson : boleh tau sutta yang menyatakan "stlah makan tanah itu kmudian menjadi ayam dulu"

anumodana.......

[gajeboh angek]

Salah kutip Aganna Sutta kali.

[markosprawira]

yah mari kita tunggu klarifikasi Jhonson aja bro......

mungkin bisa menambah pengetahuan kita semua...... 

[kullatiro]

yang pasti ada ayam betina dan ayam jantan, bro.....

kalo ayam jantan doang, ga mungkin bertelur...... dan kalo ayam betina doang, ga mungkin akan jadi anak karena ga ada yg membuahi......

wah jaman sekarang gak bisa bilang sperti ini lagi kan dah terbukti bila dalam kandang ayam semua ayam betina maka salah satu ayam betina yang dominan akan berubah jenis kelamin nya dan berprilaku seperti ayam jantan dan membuahi telur agar terjadi penurun an genetic atau kesinambungan (seingat ku sih begitu dah lama baca soal ini jadi lupa dimana bacanya)

dan perlu dingat kalo gak salah komodo indonesia juga bisa berprilaku ini (ini berita terbaru)

[EVO]

telur dulu

[Johsun]

yah mari kita tunggu klarifikasi Jhonson aja bro......

mungkin bisa menambah pengetahuan kita semua...... 

kata2 yang gw tulis diatas mengenai hal itu, kamu menganggapnya serius?? kalo gitu saya mau bilang maaf...

[El Sol]

yah mari kita tunggu klarifikasi Jhonson aja bro......

mungkin bisa menambah pengetahuan kita semua...... 

kata2 yang gw tulis diatas mengenai hal itu, kamu menganggapnya serius?? kalo gitu saya mau bilang maaf...

Hina!

[Jerry]

Hehe.. Ingat kata2 Jhonson utk tdk mengartikan secara literal kalimat2 dlm teks dan kitab suci?
Perlu dikembalikan beserta bunganya bro? hehe..

[Johsun]

SORY!Say

[Johsun]

Sory!!!saya tidak jadi bilang maaf, dan tarik kembali ucapan maaf!

[markosprawira]

hmm... tulisan jhonson cuma copy paste aja dan isinya itu2 aja yah..... cuma ngelontarin omong2 thok....

berarti bener cuma maen2 aja alias ga perlu ditanggapi.......

makasih udah dijelaskan.....

[markosprawira]

yang pasti ada ayam betina dan ayam jantan, bro.....

kalo ayam jantan doang, ga mungkin bertelur...... dan kalo ayam betina doang, ga mungkin akan jadi anak karena ga ada yg membuahi......

wah jaman sekarang gak bisa bilang sperti ini lagi kan dah terbukti bila dalam kandang ayam semua ayam betina maka salah satu ayam betina yang dominan akan berubah jenis kelamin nya dan berprilaku seperti ayam jantan dan membuahi telur agar terjadi penurun an genetic atau kesinambungan (seingat ku sih begitu dah lama baca soal ini jadi lupa dimana bacanya)

dan perlu dingat kalo gak salah komodo indonesia juga bisa berprilaku ini (ini berita terbaru)

kalau berubah kelamin, berarti tetep akan jadi jantan juga khan???

berarti teori cuma dari ayam betina doang bisa menghasilkan keturunan itu guru dong bro...... karena tetap harus jadi jantan juga 

eniwei anumodana untuk informasinya.......

[kullatiro]

nah nih berita komodo nya, kalo ini cuma komodo betina saja( satu komodo betina) tidak ada jantan nya yang membuahi tuh betina.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komodo_dragon#Parthenogenesis

[kullatiro]

menurut wikipedia katanya telur dulu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_or_the_egg

Definitions

The dilemma can be interpreted differently using different definitions of a chicken or an egg. In biology, the term egg is biologically ambiguous and the theory of Punctuated equilibrium, for example, does not support a clear division between a chicken and the closest ancestors of that chicken. Both of those factors tend to contribute to the circular nature of the question (causing problems similar to either a hasty generalization or a fallacy of definition). Below are a few different definitions that could be assumed and their logical outcomes.[6]

    * If the egg is not necessarily of any specific type: Then it could be said that the egg came first, because other animals had been laying eggs long before chickens existed, such as the dinosaurs. In biology, egg is used as a general term in this way.

    * If only an egg that will hatch into a chicken can be considered a chicken egg: Then a re-consideration of the original question suggests: Some animal other than a chicken laid the first chicken egg which contained the first chicken. In this case the chicken egg came before the chicken. In reality, many scientific theories suggest that this would not have been a simple event. For example, the theory of Punctuated equilibrium theorizes that the actual speciation of an organism from its ancestral species is usually the result of many mutations combined with new geographical surroundings, called Cladogenesis.

    * If only an egg laid by a chicken can be considered a chicken egg: Then a re-consideration of the original question suggests: The first chicken (which hatched from a non-chicken egg) laid the first chicken egg. In this case the chicken came before the chicken egg. Again, this would not necessarily be a straightforward event.

    * If only an egg that is laid by a chicken and that will hatch into a chicken can be considered a chicken egg: Then the first chicken came from a different type of egg (not a chicken egg) and laid the first chicken egg. In this case eggs (in general) came first, the chicken came after, and the chicken egg came last.

[edit] Science and evolution

    See also: Evolution

Species change over time in the process of evolution. Since DNA can be modified only before birth, a mutation must have taken place at conception or within an egg such that an animal similar to a chicken, but not a chicken, laid the first chicken egg.[7][8]

However, a mutation in one individual is not normally considered a new species. A speciation event involves the separation of one population from its parent population, so that interbreeding ceases; this is the process whereby domesticated animals are genetically separated from their wild forebears. The whole separated group can then be recognized as a new species.

The modern chicken was believed to have descended from another closely related species of birds, the red junglefowl, but recently discovered genetic evidence suggests that the modern domestic chicken is a hybrid descendant of both the red junglefowl and the grey junglefowl.[9] Assuming the evidence bears out, a hybrid is a compelling scenario that the egg came before the chicken.