Apakah Guru Buddha Seorang Seksis?

[sobat-dharma]

kedua versi yg mana ?

Versi yang disebut oleh Bro Indra dengan versi yang digunakan oleh Bhikkhuni Tathaaloka

[dilbert]

Tidak semuanya "Mahayana" menggunakan vinaya yang sama. Dalam kasus di atas, para bhiksuni di Taiwan tersebut memang mewarisi silsilah Vinaya Dharmagupta, yang memang adalah Theravadin.

dan kenapa tidak saja, bhikkhuni itu di-ordinasi-kan sesuai dengan mahzab tersebut ? -- sutta dan ajaran berbeda, tetapi vinaya-nya sama ? bhikkhuni itu kalau makan daging gimana ?

[Indra]

saya juga pikir demikian, mereka yg menulis itu kelolosan utk re-check kelihatannya.

mettacittena,

kalau begitu bagaimana menurut hasil re-check dari samaneri sendiri?

[Indra]

Versi yang disebut oleh Bro Indra dengan versi yang digunakan oleh Bhikkhuni Tathaaloka

bisa disebutkan Bro? di bagian mana Tipitaka tertulis versi yg anda katakan digunakan oleh Bhikkhuni Tathaaloka itu?

[Indra]

Sumber: DPPN

1. Ānanda.-One of the principal disciples of the Buddha. He was a first cousin of the Buddha and was deeply attached to him.

He came to earth from Tusita and was born on the same day as the Bodhisatta, his father being Amitodana the Sākiyan, brother of Suddhodana. Mahānāma and Anuruddha were therefore his brothers (or probably step-brothers). According to the Mtu.iii.176, Ānanda was the son of Suklodana and the brother of Devadatta and Upadhāna. His mother was Mrgī.

Ānanda entered the Order in the second year of the Buddha's ministry, together with other Sākiyan princes, such as Bhaddiya, Anuruddha, Bhagu, Kimbila and Devadatta, and was ordained by the Buddha himself (Vin.ii.182), his upajjhāya being Belatthasīsa (ThagA.i.68; also DA.ii.418ff.; Vin.i.202; iv. 86). Soon after, he heard a discourse by Punna Mantāniputta and became a Sotāpanna. In S.iii.105 Ānanda acknowledges his indebtedness to Punna and gives an account of Punna's sermon to him.

[dilbert]

Sumber: DPPN

1. Ānanda.-One of the principal disciples of the Buddha. He was a first cousin of the Buddha and was deeply attached to him.

He came to earth from Tusita and was born on the same day as the Bodhisatta, his father being Amitodana the Sākiyan, brother of Suddhodana. Mahānāma and Anuruddha were therefore his brothers (or probably step-brothers). According to the Mtu.iii.176, Ānanda was the son of Suklodana and the brother of Devadatta and Upadhāna. His mother was Mrgī.

Ānanda entered the Order in the second year of the Buddha's ministry, together with other Sākiyan princes, such as Bhaddiya, Anuruddha, Bhagu, Kimbila and Devadatta, and was ordained by the Buddha himself (Vin.ii.182), his upajjhāya being Belatthasīsa (ThagA.i.68; also DA.ii.418ff.; Vin.i.202; iv. 86). Soon after, he heard a discourse by Punna Mantāniputta and became a Sotāpanna. In S.iii.105 Ānanda acknowledges his indebtedness to Punna and gives an account of Punna's sermon to him.

Quote di atas untuk meng-counter reply yang mana bro ?

[Indra]

Quote di atas untuk meng-counter reply yang mana bro ?

ada yg mengatakan bahwa ananda belum jadi bhikkhu pada saat Sang Buddha mendirikan sangha bhikkhuni, dan bahwa ananda berusia lebih muda daripada Sang Buddha.

[dilbert]

ada yg mengatakan bahwa ananda belum jadi bhikkhu pada saat Sang Buddha mendirikan sangha bhikkhuni, dan bahwa ananda berusia lebih muda daripada Sang Buddha.

Nanti kata-nya jangan percaya buta dengan apa yang ditulis...

[Indra]

Nanti kata-nya jangan percaya buta dengan apa yang ditulis...

masih lebih baik daripada percaya buta pada "katanya"

[adi lim]

Rasanya kedua versi itu ada di dalam Tipitaka Pali. Memangnya saya sempat menyebutkan tentang versi Mahayana?

tidak pernah tuh
karena Mahayana memang ada Biksuni

[adi lim]

Tidak semuanya "Mahayana" menggunakan vinaya yang sama. Dalam kasus di atas, para bhiksuni di Taiwan tersebut memang mewarisi silsilah Vinaya Dharmagupta, yang memang adalah Theravadin.

kayaknya sudah pernah dibahas ama bro Tiyana