Fa Lun Gong, sebuah praktek kultivasi atau kult?

[jesseprakasa]

Bro Cakra silahkan anda sendiri yang menjawabnya terserah anda mengatakan siap ayng lebih tinggi atau lebihrendah toh anda bukan seorang kultivator Dafa Semoga anda puas dengan jawaban anda sendiri.
Bro Whatte - biarlah demikian makanya perlu forum ini saling mengisi apa yang belum diketahui oleh bro Nyanadhana atau saya akan lebih menambah saling pengertian disini.Bukan begitu bro Nyanadhana?

[CKRA]

Bro Cakra silahkan anda sendiri yang menjawabnya terserah anda mengatakan siap ayng lebih tinggi atau lebihrendah toh anda bukan seorang kultivator Dafa Semoga anda puas dengan jawaban anda sendiri.
Bro Whatte - biarlah demikian makanya perlu forum ini saling mengisi apa yang belum diketahui oleh bro Nyanadhana atau saya akan lebih menambah saling pengertian disini.Bukan begitu bro Nyanadhana?

Karena saya tidak mengerti maka saya bertanya. Tapi walau bagaimanapun, terima kasih atas klarifikasi dari anda.

[jesseprakasa]

Rekan Hatred silahkan dibaca agar lebih jelas pemahamannya.Menurut pemahamanku Tiongkok mewariskan ajarann yang sangat2 tua dan sangat tinggi - ajaran2 awal sebelum adanya bentuk agama adalah lebih dalam bentuk QiGong. Sedang QiGong tak sesempit dalam pemahaman orang saat ini hanya dengan berlatih dan bermeditasi saja- dia adalah ajaran kultivasi ajaran orang untuk balik ke asal kembali ke jati diri yang asli -bahwa ada QiGong aliran Buddha dan QiGong aliran Tao. Memang pada dasarnya hanya adua aliran di dunia berdasarkan Dafa yaitu Buddha dan Tao.Seperti postingan saya tadi mengenai perbedaan aliran Buddha dan aliran Tao.

[Xzone]

Aku balik lagi ... bahwa yang membawa ajaran Falun DaFa adalah master Li HongZhi sendiri dari 9 kali ceramah dan dijadikan sebuah buku inilah Zhuan Falun sebagai buku kultivasi utama praktisi Dafa TENTU saja buku ini sudah dicek oleh Shifu Li Hongzhi dan juga mengalami penyempurnaan- selain itu ada ceramah2 Fa diberbagai negara yang kemudian dibukukan. Semua atas sepengetahuan Shifu LHZ.

Hebat banget nih "LHZ" cuma dalam tempo 9 kali ceramah udah bisa bikin buku kultivasi (semacam kitab suci).....Sang Buddha aja membabarkan Dhamma selama 45 tahun ngak pernah nyusun buku.....baru setelah beliau parinibbana, murid2nya kemudian menyusun sutta2 yg beliau sampaikan / ajarkan selama 45 tahun.........menjadi TIPITAKA            

[whatthe]

Bro Cakra silahkan anda sendiri yang menjawabnya terserah anda mengatakan siap ayng lebih tinggi atau lebihrendah toh anda bukan seorang kultivator Dafa Semoga anda puas dengan jawaban anda sendiri.
Bro Whatte - biarlah demikian makanya perlu forum ini saling mengisi apa yang belum diketahui oleh bro Nyanadhana atau saya akan lebih menambah saling pengertian disini.Bukan begitu bro Nyanadhana?

Lebih baik begitu, "Mengisi kekosongan ilmu, mengetahui apa yang belum diketahui". Tidak menelaah keyakinan sendiri. Memang saya kurang begitu memahami ajaran Dafa ataupun ajaran yang begitu banyak didunia ini. Saya perlu membuka diri dan tidak terkekang oleh keyakinan yang ada dalam diri. Tetapi mempelajari sesuatu yang baru dan meninggalkan bila dianggap tidak menemukan jawabanny. Saya tidak akan berkata "Menurut ..." Karena saya tidak dapat membuktikan berdasarkan kenyataan bukan kesejarahaan.

[jesseprakasa]

Bro Nyanadhana saya setuju sebab Falun Dafa adalah mengambil bentuk QiGong dari aliran Buddha BUKAN agama Buddha.Sedang Falun Dafa BUKAN mencampur aliran Buddha dan Tao tetapi sejak awal aliran Buddha dan Tao berada di dalamnya TETAPI pondasinya adalah Fa Buddha.Demikian prinsip utamanya.

[nyanadhana]

lebih tepatnya Fa Li hong Zi karena kalo Fa Buddha anda mesti menyediakan data yang akurat darimana Buddha mengajarkan Qi Gong dan semua pemahaman,catatan itu harus ada bukan berdasar pemikiran Li sendiri tanpa didukung fakta.

[jesseprakasa]

Bro Hans pasti tak dapat dibandingkan bukan Sejak awal Sakyamuni Buddha tak ingin dengan sengaja semua DarmanNya kemudian hari akan ditulis ulang bukan? Memang demikian selam 47 tahun terus menerus menyadari kebenaran sampai mencapai ke Buddhaan akhirnya mengatakan 'tak ada darma yang difinitif/ Darma tak terkatakan' demikian sampai pada buah status Tathtagata- kemudian murid2Nya berdasarkan ingatan kembali mencatat Fa Beliau.

Buku kultivasi utama Zhuan Falun adalah buku kultivasi yang ADA ditulis dengan pengawasan langsung oleh master LHZ - setelah banyak melakukan ceramah Fa di dalam dan luar tiongkok mengambil satu ceramah beliau yang sanagt penting dalam 9 kali ceramah sebagai panduan berkultivasi setelah dibukukan masih ada penyempurnaan2.

[jesseprakasa]

Fa itu bukan filsafat bro Nyanadhana dan banyak sekali hal2 yang tak terpecahkan oleh ilmu pengetahuan dijabarkan secara gamblang oleh master LHZ - ini bukan pemikiran manusia biasa bro:) Intinya... benar juga kata bro Whatte kalau nggak tahu secara mendalam mengenai satu aliran kita tidak bisa 'menilai' secara sepihak hanya dari pemahaman kita sendiri.Sebab Fa Buddha sangat2 luas.

[jesseprakasa]

Bro dan rekan semua - Mohon undur diri hari ini- silahkan dilanjut diskusinya .

[Xzone]

Bro jesseprakasa......saya mohon pencerahan dari anda, saya ingin penjelasan singkat dari anda mengenai pertanyaan saya dari pandangan "Fa Lun"......

"...ada orang dilahirkan cacat, tanpa kaki, tanpa mata, berpenyakitan, juga sangat miskin....tetapi ada orang dilahirkan dengan wajah tampan/cantik, kaya raya dan panjang umur pula...."

[nyanadhana]

Li, the founder of the cult is the prime example of the hypocrisy that lies
in this cult. He fled China for his own safety and abdicated power to the
subordinates to continue his climb to supremacy as the leader of the world
(this rather remind me of that cartoon with two lab mice, the evil one
always contemplate ways to take over the world, with the help of Binky the
stupid and clumsy rat; but he fails in every episode, of course, for the
good wins out of pure intelligence). However I have no doubt in my mind that
he is just a power and money hungered man who strived to become the best,
but through ways unimaginable- by inventing an ludicrous religion that some
people of the world are blinded enough to die for. His theory in that the
planets would move into a straight line is preposterous and impossible in
terms of the law of physics set centuries ago. And the inadequacies in his
books are derisory for actual human beings to believe in. He saw the poor
peoples' need for reassurance and told them that if they practised the
rituals, they would be free from diseases. It is a cliché, but if your wife
or sister or maybe your child is suffering from, lets say, tetanus, but
believes in FaLunGong, and refuses medical help, but to practise the silly
moves in order to beat the disease, until of course, she dies! Would you let
her proceed with this? And die, not finding out the truth?

[nyanadhana]

Li's ideas would have been invented a long, long time ago, but only his
worked because of the current rebellious situation in China, when the people
are most vulnerable. I'm furious at the fact that people would want to die
for such a stupid cause, and not live happily but to seek ways in which to
escape the life that they were blessed with. And the comments on caste
system contradict the real situation people are put into with FLG. Peasants
are more likely to follow Li, than a 'city dweller', and if you really want
them to live without this, then perhaps you should stop encouraging the
mediocre religion. And maybe lead Xiang Xia Ren to a better life than to
view the world from the anti-communism-everything perspective, after all
communism will eventually falter on it self if no progress is made. Just
like the dynasties, eventually natural selection will happen, just on a
larger scale. FLG will be eliminated, no doubt.

[nyanadhana]

Fa Lung Gong, a vocal force against the totalitarian regime of Chinese communists, had fared better than democracy activists for its grassroots movement and financial resources. Ultimately, the fight against the communists will be a financial contest. The success of a protracted and sustaining struggle against a deep-pocket fascist communist regime depends on the financial capabilities of the opposing entity. However, for every ten dollars spent outside of mainland China, the utility could be merely one dollar; whereas, one dollar spent inside of China could achieve the utility of ten dollars. Also, a word of caution deserves here against the prevalent naive anticipation of a fast collapse of Chinese communist regime. Extra vigil must be paid to China's ferocious & predatory neighbors, far away or near by, for sake of guarding against the likely re-emergence of hundred-year intervals of historical turmoil because China of 21st century is no longer living in a shielded environment juxtaposed against the predictable nomadic Hunnic, Turkic & Mongol invaders any more. Should China disintegrate into one dozen countries now, the same way as Iraq is to divest into three states, China would never have a chance to reunite as a single entity ever. Any structural or system change for China, internally or externally induced, has to be implemented in a rational and balanced way. China's future is not a matter to be determined in 10 years or less, but could be up to 100 years, beyond which the uncertainty of its fate and fortune could set in. As ancient Chinese saying goes, it takes 10 years to plant a tree and 100 years to raise a person. "Raising a person [i.e., an ordinary Chinese person]" is a task that should be undertaken from ground up inside of China. FLG, with its grassroots movement and financial resources, could proceed with its cause in alternative and multiple approaches and channels, confronting the communist regime on the one hand but devising alternative non-confrontational operations to survive under the communist regime on the other hand, e.g., to act on funding China's education organizations and subsidizing grey-area publications inside of mainland China. The essential endeavours should be exerted to the upbringing of a new generation of Chinese patriots of ideals and devotion for the nation. Only after restoring the baseline of China's societal foundations and values [which had been destroyed by the communist regime] would there be possibility of a resurrected Chinese Nation.

[nyanadhana]

Li Hongzhi: the man, his deeds and fabrications
2008-02-21

I. Experience of Li Hongzhi

Li Hongzhi wrote in a resume he fabricated in 1993: "I was born in Gongzhuling City, Jilin Province, on May 13, 1951. When I was a child, Buddhist Master Dajue gave me instructions for the initial approach to become a Buddhist believer. My mortification came to a satisfactory end when I was eight years old. At the age of 12, Taoist Master Baji Zhenren found me, and taught me Taoist practices", "in 1972, I received Taoist instruction from Master Zhendaozi", and "in 1974, I received training in Buddhist methods of mortification until I entered public life".

The Introduction to Li Hongzhi compiled by the Falun Gong organization says, "Li Hongzhi learned the essence of Buddhism and obtained supernatural powers, such as the ability to move objects, fix articles, control thinking and make himself invisible. He understands the truth of the universe and has insights into life and can see the past and future." Such absurd "extraordinary abilities" have cheated many of his followers.

T hen, who is Li Hongzhi?

Investigation shows Li Hongzhi was born in Gongzhuling City (former Gongzhuling Town), Jilin Province, on July 7, 1952. Between 1960-69, he studied in Changchun Zhujianglu Primary School, and finished his junior middle school studies in Changchun No. 4 and No. 48 middle schools. In the period 1970-78, he worked as a trumpet player at a PLA stud farm and Jilin Provincial Forest Armed Police Troop. In the following four years, he was an attendant at a guest house of the Forest Armed Police Troop. Li was discharged from military service in 1982, and went to work in the security department of the Changchun Cereals and Oil Co. In 1991, he quit the job and began practicing qigong. In May 1992, he began to propagate the ideas of Falun Gong.

According to a certificate issued by Luyuan Police Substation under the Changchun Public Security Bureau, on September 24, 1994, Li changed his date of birth from July 7, 1952 to May 13, 1951 and acquired a new ID card. The birth date of Li Hongzhi on other registration forms, including the "permanent resident registration" at public security stations, and the Security Cadre Registration Form and the Resume of Cadre kept by Li's former work unit, has also been changed to May 13, 1951. But the birth date on the Forms for Rank Definition and Promotion of Workers, the Application Form for the Youth League, and the ID cards of Li Hongzhi issued on December 31, 1986 and March 31, 1991 respectively, was July 7, 1952.

Why did Li make this change? In the Chinese lunar calendar, the eighth day of the fourth lunar month is the birthday of Sakyamuni, founder of Buddhism, and May 13, 1951 happened to be the eighth day of the fourth lunar month. Thus, by changing his birthday, Li could pretend that he is "a reincarnation of Sakyamuni".

However, Li's former schoolmates, teachers and neighbors all say Li Hongzhi was an ordinary child with common marks in school. His only talent was an ability in playing the trumpet. To his fabricated story of "mortification", their answers were "nonsense" or "impossible", or "I have never seen or heard of that". Li Hongzhi's leaders and fellow servicemen at the stud farm and the forest police troop said he was a common solider and was introverted and conceited. The full schedule of rehearsals and performances, and strict military and work discipline would never have left him any spare time to practice his so-called qigong. His superiors and colleagues at the cereals and oil company all said that Li did not have any knowledge about "mortification" at all before he took part in the qigong training class in 1988.

When Li's early followers asked him why he made up his story, Li answered that "no one would believe me if I do not exaggerate". When asked to demonstrate his "four functions", he became angry. "I don't have any function at all, how can I demonstrate? Your request is designed to make me a laughing-stock. Are you making fool of me?"