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5 tahun kedepan Indonesia akan mengalami masa-masa sulit, hutang masih banyak, negara-negara pendonor sedang krisis, penghasilan atau pendapatan negara masih bocor, belanja negara masih tinggi, korupsi masih tinggi, buruh masih belum puas, pendduk berpendapatan dibawah USD2/hari masih tinggi, angka pertumbuhan penddk masih tinggi, inflasi, pendidikan 12 tahun diinginkan gratis, pengobatan gratis, . Darimana biayanya? minyak dan gas bumi --> BBM akan naik; expor; pajak --> pungutan dan pajak akan naik.
Lupakan yang lalu. Perlu pemimpin yg gesit dan cepat, serta kreatif, bukan sekadar selamat. :|
#2
Quote from: Kelana on 26 January 2009, 10:22:57 AM
Quote from: Louhankuo on 25 January 2009, 03:50:26 PM
Using this general interpretation of Adibuddha, I was able to enter into dialogue with Islamic scholars in other countries. Islamic scholars have tended to be very open to this because in Islam, Allah is not personified. Likewise, this creative power within each mind – which might be seen as something like a creator god found in each person – also is not personified. ...."
Perlu dipertanyakan dulu dengan kelompok Islam yang mana Alexander Berzin mengadakan dialog, karena Islam sendiri dibagi dalam beberapa mazab dari sunni sampai sufi, mayoritas konsep tuhan dalam Islam adalah tuhan (Allah) yang berpersonal, jika tidak maka tidak ada wahyu yang diturunkan.


Pastilah kelompok Islam moderat yang mau berdialog dengan umat beragama lain. Tapi itu sudah bukan pokok persoalan. Dalam hal ini yang menjadi point of interest adalah apakah ada persamaan 'creator God' dalam Budhisme? Kalau itu memang dirasa perlu demi kehidupan bernegara suatu bangsa, ada! yaitu Adi Buddha. Apakah creator God ini menurunkan wahyu atau mencerahkan dari dalam adalah sudah menjadi persoalan keyakinan masing2 agama.  Buddhisme tegas meyakini bahwa Adi Buddha bukanlah personal. Bagaimana Dia sebagai creator adalah menurut persepsi dan keyakinan umat Buddha sendiri berdasarkan kitab sucinya. DEngan kata lain umat Buddha (di Indonesia) ya! meyakini adanya Tuhan sebagai pencipta TETAPI tidak dari sudut pandang yg sama dengan penganut agama lain (boleh dong). Bahkan mereka yang memandangnya sabagai personal pun memiliki konsepsi yang berbeda.
#3
Quote from: daimond on 10 January 2009, 09:14:13 PM
oke begitulah indonesia kadang kadang pusing juga menjelaskan nya untuk orang luar mengenai kacamata pandang dari sisi indonesia nya.

Ga juga, nih buktinya ada orang luar berkebangsaan Jerman yang mengerti Adi Buddha, Alexander Berzin.
Berikut kutipan dari website beliau, berzinarchives.com:

Some Common Features of Islam and Buddhism:
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In a natural way, this has then led the Muslim audiences to ask about Buddhism. In the various theological institutes I have visited in the Islamic world, the Islamic scholars have been very interested in the whole discussion of God. I had learned from my experience in Indonesia, which is an Islamic country, that there was no way that you say to an Islamic audience, "Buddhism doesn't believe in God." That would lead to the instant closing of the door. In Indonesia, there is a policy that five religions are accepted due to their belief in God: Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, and Buddhism. The Indonesian Buddhists had suggested Buddhism's belief in God by speaking in terms of Adibuddha. This was from the Kalachakra (Cycle of Time) teachings, which had been spread to Indonesia a little more than a thousand years ago. Adibuddha means, literally, the first or primordial Buddha. The Indonesian Buddhists themselves didn't have a full understanding of Adibuddha. But without explaining it, they said, "Here we have the equivalent of God." Naturally, when I came to Indonesia, the Indonesian Buddhists asked me what Adibuddha actually meant. I explained to them that you could speak about it in terms of the clear light mind. In each person, this is the creator of our appearances, what we perceive; so in this sense it's like a creator.

Using this general interpretation of Adibuddha, I was able to enter into dialogue with Islamic scholars in other countries. Islamic scholars have tended to be very open to this because in Islam, Allah is not personified. Likewise, this creative power within each mind – which might be seen as something like a creator god found in each person – also is not personified. ...."

http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/study/islam/general/common_features_islam_buddhism.html?query=indonesia


Islamic-Buddhist Dialogue
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The primarily Muslim state of Indonesia officially permits six religions – Islam, Catholicism, Protestantism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Confucianism – on the grounds that they all accept a creator God. In order to fulfill this requirement, Indonesian Buddhists posit Adibuddha, the primordial Buddha of The Kalachakra Tantra, as the creator. The Kalachakra teachings had flourished in Indonesia, especially during the late tenth century, as reported by Atisha during his visit. Nowadays, there is very little knowledge of those teachings there.

During a lecture tour of Indonesia in 1988, I had many discussions with Buddhist monks about the issue of God in Buddhism. Since Adibuddha can be interpreted as the clear light primordial consciousness, and since all appearances of samsara and nirvana are the play or "creation" of that mind, we concluded that there is no reason to feel uncomfortable in saying that Buddhism accepts a creator God. The fact that Buddhism asserts Adibuddha not to be an individual separate being, but something present in each sentient being, is just a matter of theological differences concerning the nature of God. Many Jewish, Christian, Islamic, and Hindu thinkers assert that God is abstract and present in all beings. As the Muslims say, "Allah has many names."

Therefore, from my experience in Indonesia, I agreed, on the basis of Adibuddha, that Buddhism does accept a creator God, but with its own unique interpretation. Once this common ground was established, I was easily able to begin a comfortable dialogue with the Islamic theologians in Turkey. They invited me to return to their university later that year to lecture to the student body and faculty on Buddhism and the relation between Islam and Buddhism. ..."

http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/study/islam/general/islamic_buddhist_dialog.html?query=indonesia