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Topik Buddhisme => Buddhisme untuk Pemula => Topic started by: andry on 21 September 2008, 07:41:18 PM

Title: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: andry on 21 September 2008, 07:41:18 PM
Ada yang tau apa saja ttg sila2 bodhisattva?
Jika ditilik secara "kotak" sila ini lebih kearah  mana?
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Sukma Kemenyan on 21 September 2008, 07:45:50 PM
koq pertanyaannya membingungkan ya?
bisa di perjelas?
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: andry on 21 September 2008, 07:48:26 PM
Gini mbah, mau tanya ttg sila2 bodhisatva.
terdiri atas peraturan2 apa saja? atau apapun yg berhub dgn sila tersebut.
nah kalau dilihat secara mainstream, itu lebih ke arah mana? theravada kah? atau yg lain..
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Mr. Wei on 21 September 2008, 07:49:46 PM
QuoteMungkin maksudnya, apa isi2 dari sila ini, dan setelah kita analisa, sila ini lebih cenderung ke paham buddhisme mana (thera, mahayana, or lainnya)

Neh kalimat uda aye ketik, baru mau di post, uda dijawab duluan ama andry
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Sukma Kemenyan on 21 September 2008, 07:56:43 PM
Masih ga nyambung :(
Tapi...
seorang Bodhisatva (Calon Buddha yang telah menerima ramalan pencapaian kebuddhaan oleh seorang Buddha) berusaha untuk menyempurnakan Pāramī

Apa itu Pāramī ?
http://dhammacitta.org/forum/index.php?topic=4938.0

PS: Definisi "Calon Buddha yang telah menerima ramalan" saya ambil dari RAPB (Theravada)
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Mr. Wei on 21 September 2008, 08:01:33 PM
Bukan, di dalam paham Mahayana, ada sila yang bernama Sila Bodhisatva. Sila ini dijalankan oleh para Bodhisatva dan kadang dijalani oleh anggota sangha.
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Surya Kumari on 21 September 2008, 08:04:01 PM
setujuu..
mungkin maksud bro andry lebih ke tradisi mahayana ya..
sila bodhisattva yg diambil para calon biksu/biksuni..
nanya ke board mahayana aja langsung kali..
aye mo bantu jawabin..tp contekan ga ada.. ;D
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Sukma Kemenyan on 21 September 2008, 08:05:07 PM
Inikah... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva_vows ?
Maaf, saya tidak mengerti...


errr...
ternyata ini pertanyaan tuk Mahayana,
Mau dipindahin ke sub mahayana?
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Pitu Kecil on 21 September 2008, 08:07:10 PM
Tadi saya ke acara pindhapatta kok katanya ada yang bhante mengambil sila Bodhisatva? bhante itu kan threravada? yang saya tangkap "Bhante yang mengambil sila bodhisatva berarti tidak makan persembahan daging" :-? betul gak yang saya sampaikan?
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Sukma Kemenyan on 21 September 2008, 08:09:34 PM
Bhante = Yang patut dihormati
Bhante bukan hanya milik Theravada, but yep... Bhante itu Pali's
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Surya Kumari on 21 September 2008, 08:11:55 PM
sepertinya bukan bro menyan..
itu tekad bodhisattva samanthabadra...
maaf..aye jg ga bisa bantu banyak..

yg bro andry cari yg sila bodhisattva untuk para biksu/ni tradisi mahayana kah?

di indonesia..karena kebiasaan, biksu tradisi mahayana jg dipanggil bhante..sebenarnya sama aja..umumnya biksu/ni dipanggil she fu ato suhu..

Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Mr. Wei on 21 September 2008, 08:20:01 PM
Mungkin aja bhante itu theravada dari buddhayana, jadi agak berbaur dengan mahayana?

Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: andry on 21 September 2008, 08:51:57 PM
Quote from: Kemenyan on 21 September 2008, 08:05:07 PM
Inikah... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva_vows ?
Maaf, saya tidak mengerti...


errr...
ternyata ini pertanyaan tuk Mahayana,
Mau dipindahin ke sub mahayana?
mm.. nampaknya jgn dulu mbah.. sebab saya baca ada d mahayana dan d tibetan. nah prasaan d tera juga ada. jd d sini dulu aja.. cocok untuk pemula
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: Mr. Wei on 21 September 2008, 08:54:43 PM
S7 dengan andry :)
Title: Re: Sila Bodhisattva
Post by: nyanadhana on 22 September 2008, 08:33:02 AM
Bodhisattva Samvara Sila oleh Asanga

the bodhisattva-samvarasila is a set of bodhisattva 'precepts'. a version can be found in asanga's bodhisattvabhumi. through tsongkhapa they came into the gelugpa tradition and, from that tradition, they were given to bhante by dhardo rimpoche.

like so much of the bodhisattva training, the precepts put a lot of emphasis on the effect of our actions on others, and so they seemed a good basis for a discussion of the preceptor relationship, where we explicitly take on a responsibility to support the spiritual training of another person.

i enjoy studying with padmavajra, who knows his texts, and bhante's commentaries on them. he led us through the first of the mulapatis, the fundamental downfalls of the bodhisattva.

the first four are linked to the four parajikas, the defeats of the bhikkhu from the pali tradition. the four defeats are:
sexual intercourse,
murder,
major theft, or
falsely claiming spiritual attainments.

the mahayana universalises these monastic precepts.
not just sexual exploitation, it says, but any exploitation of another for our own ends: so the first downfall is:
to praise oneself and disparage others

where the pali tradition forbids murder, the bodhisattva precept goes for the principle of 'nursing your wrath to keep it warm' to quote burns, and asks the bodhisattva not
to punish and refuse to concede repentance
and stresses the importance of forgiveness

padmavajra made the point that in the dhammapada, after the first two crucial 'mind' verses, the third verse is

He insulted me,
hit me,
beat me,
robbed me'
for those who brood on this,
hatred isn't ended

a remarkable stress to put on forgiveness in relationships

the bhikkhu is asked not to steal: the bodhisattva must not withold the wealth of the dharma from others

finally, where the monastic may not make claims about spiritual attainment, the mahayana criticises any partial spiritual teaching. the bodhisattva will not
give up the mahayana while pretending to belong to it.