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Jum'at, 22 Maret 2013
MEIKHTILA - Kekerasan komunal di Kota Meikhtila, Myanmar, semakin memanas. Bentrokan antara warga Buddha dan Muslim itu telah menelan korban jiwa sebanyak 20 orang.
Anggota Parlemen Myanmar yang mewakili kota tersebut, Win Htein, melaporkan bahwa situasi di Meikhtila masih sangat rawan. Saat ini, perumahan warga Muslim dibakari dan para warga Buddha beserta biksu-biksu melarang aparat keamanan memadamkan api.
Lima masjid di Kota Meikhtila juga terbakar oleh sekelompok warga. Konflik antar-warga itu terjadi tepat setelah munculnya perseteruan di salah satu toko emas milik warga Muslim. Seorang penjaga toko berargumen dengan pelanggannya yang merupakan warga Buddha, argumen antara kedua belah pihak itupun berujung pada baku hantam.
Kota Meikhtila yang terletak sekira 550 kilometer dari Kota Yangon dihuni oleh kurang lebih 100 ribu warga. Banyak warga Muslim yang tinggal di kota itu. Terdapat pula 17 masjid di Meikhtila. Demikian, seperti diberitakan Associated Press, Jumat (22/3/2013).
Bentrokan yang melibatkan 200 warga itu terjadi pada Kamis lalu. Pada awalnya, peristiwa itu menewaskan dua orang warga, namun jumlah korban jiwa dikabarkan terus bertambah hingga kini.
Kekerasan itu merupakan kekerasan komunal terakhir yang terjadi di Myanmar setelah konflik di Negara Bagian Arakan. Konflik komunal Meikhtila turut menjadi salah satu tantangan bagi Pemerintah Myanmar yang baru saja melakukan reformasi.
http://international.okezone.com/read/2013/03/22/411/779922/kekerasan-memanas-20-orang-tewas-5-rumah-ibadah-dibakar
itu murni perselisihan pribadi, antara si A (pembeli) dengan si B (penjual), biasa krn manusia suka nya berjemaah, lebih seru klo ribut bawa tetangga kiri kanan se RT, maka berkembang menjadi perselisihan kelompok yg membawa-bawa agama...
karena kebetulan perselisihan yg melibatkan si A dan B berasal dari agama yg berbeda, maka keributan berkembang ke arah agama. tp ini murni perselisihan pribadi antara si A dan si B
jd tidak ada cerita yg menarik, krn hal ini jg terjadi dinegara mana pun, di belahan bumi mana pun, dimana kadang di sangkut pautkan ke agama, sehingga perselisihan yg timbul semakin melebar...
jd jgn lah terbebani oleh berita2 keributan antar agama seperti itu...
Cth kemerosotan moral
Bhkan perselingkuhan jg byk jaman skrg
Dan uda hal yg lumrah
aneh kenapa pake ember ember agama, padahal itu kan bentrokan suku
Quote from: Dragon_Slayer on 22 March 2013, 07:37:20 PM
aneh kenapa pake ember ember agama, padahal itu kan bentrokan suku
Lalu harus na bentrokkan suku ya??
inilah contoh kemerosotan moral :'(
Quote from: gryn tea on 22 March 2013, 07:44:50 PM
Lalu harus na bentrokkan suku ya??
Harusnya bentrokan warga aja dhe lebih tepat. hahaa
Quote from: Dragon_Slayer on 22 March 2013, 07:37:20 PM
aneh kenapa pake ember ember agama, padahal itu kan bentrokan suku
itu bkn bentrok suku, tp bentrok 2 pribadi, yg berkembang meluas menjadi bentrok antar agama dan suku di myanmar.
beberapa bln lalu, di salah satu kota kecil di kalimantan, terjadi keributan antar suku dayak dan suku bugis. sumber permasalahan adalah bentrok 2 pribadi yg kebetulan beda suku, krn merasa di lecehkan, maka keributan pribadi menjadi berjamaah... dari 2 orang yg ribut, berkembang menjadi 2 suku yg saling baku hantam...
kasus itu sama dengan kasus di myanmar, hanya saja keributan di myanmar merembet sampe ke agama.
Quote from: Dragon_Slayer on 22 March 2013, 07:49:22 PM
Harusnya bentrokan warga aja dhe lebih tepat. hahaa
Cpddd
Itu bukan bentrokkan penjual dan pembeli
Tp bentrokkan antar manusia yg punya pandangan slah
apakah batin anda ikut berontak?
^^
dan disarankan jangan terbebani juga :)
Bisa menjadi alasan bagi kaum ter0ris untuk mentarget umat Buddha / vihara lagi nih kayak si thoriq yang ditangkap dulu. :(
Myanmar sekarang menjadi negara yang seksi, sedikit ada gesekan, maka media massa akan menyorotnya.
Berita awalnya:
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21 March 2013 17:1
Authorities imposed a curfew in Mandalay Region's Meikhtila town last night after a fight over a hair clip at a gold shop threatened to escalate into a religious riot, officials told Eleven Media.
The incident began at a gold shop near the town's market at about 10am yesterday and the curfew was imposed at about 9pm under section 144 of the Constitution after a mosque was set aflame in late afternoon. The fire at Thirimingalar Mosque was quickly extinguished by neighbours, town residents said.
As of noon today five people were killed and another 22 injured in the fighting, staff at the town hospital said, adding that most of the injuries were head wounds.
Myanmar's national police force said at 3.40am today that one monk and another man had been killed and four other injured by flames.
Stones were thrown at police and reporters taking photos yesterday afternoon when a crowd of about 200 stormed three buildings near the gold shop.
The clashes erupted following an argument over the price of a gold hair clip at a shop owned by a Muslim vendor.
Town resident Khin Maung Win and his wife tried to sell the hair clip to New Waitsein Gold Shop for 140,000 kyats (about US$160) at about 9am. The son-in-law of the shop's owner offered them 105,000 kyats for the hair clip, and then took it to the market to assess the gold. When he returned he said he could only pay them 50,000 kyats because the hair clip was broken, according to a police complaint from Khin Maung Win's wife.
Following a quarrel over the hair clip – which Khin Maung Win and his wife said was broken while it was being assessed – the shop owner threw the clip at Khin Maung Win and his son-in-law and a shop assistant began assaulting him, the man's wife said.
She filed a lawsuit at Meikhtila Police Station after her husband was injured.
By 2.15pm about 200 people had gathered near the gold shop and then destroyed six shops in three nearby buildings.
Police, fire fighters, monks and town elders tried to disperse the crowd, but at about 3 pm an angry mob stormed the buildings again.
Meikhtila district police began imposing security in the area soon after, the Myanmar Police Force said.
Thirimingalar Mosque was set afire at about 5.30pm but the flames were quickly extinguished by neighbours, police said.
Town residents said some people tried to use the violence to instigate a religious clash, but authorities implemented a curfew in time to control them.
The curfew bans public gatherings and any interference with public officials' work, including police.
Besides the mosque, other buildings were also set aflame and more than 10 motorbikes were destroyed, but all fires were put out by 8pm, police said.
Police are preventing anyone from entering the town through its front and back gates.
Police said that order had been restored by midnight. "Only a few people are left at the site now. We are trying to solve the problem," an officer said.
Officers from two other townships in Yamethin district are providing assistance, another officer said, adding that "senior divisional officials are overseeing the situation".
"The town is also being patrolled. Although the crowds have been dispersed there are still some groups here and there," he said early this morning.
By noon today the situation was calm, police told Eleven Media's reporter in the town.
sumber:
http://www.elevenmyanmar.com/national/2863-curfew-imposed-to-prevent-religious-riot-mandalay-region-town (http://www.elevenmyanmar.com/national/2863-curfew-imposed-to-prevent-religious-riot-mandalay-region-town)
berita lain
http://www.elevenmyanmar.com/national/2867-police-colonel-says-bbc-s-alleged-report-totally-wrong (http://www.elevenmyanmar.com/national/2867-police-colonel-says-bbc-s-alleged-report-totally-wrong)
Klo berita gini gw cenderung tidak percaya berita yang muncul di Indonesia, contoh aja dulu banyak banget hoax rohingya beredar di dunia maya..
Sama halny berita ini yang di indonesia sama berita yang dipost kelana aja kan dah beda versi..
Quote from: Wolvie on 23 March 2013, 07:38:44 PM
Klo berita gini gw cenderung tidak percaya berita yang muncul di Indonesia, contoh aja dulu banyak banget hoax rohingya beredar di dunia maya..
Sama halny berita ini yang di indonesia sama berita yang dipost kelana aja kan dah beda versi..
Kita boleh saja bisa menyaring kebenaran yang sesunggguhnya dari berita2 yang beredar, namun mainstream masyarakat mudah sekali termakan berita2 tendensius dan sepihak macam begini. Dengan mudah dipercaya mayoritas sehingga mudah memancing rencanan tindakan2 kekerasan menyasar minoritas yang diangap sekelompok dengan orang Luar Negeri yang dianggap menzalimi 'saudara' (seagama) mereka.
Jangan lupa bahwa tersangka teroris Thoriq sudah mengakui mentarget komunitas Buddhis dan vihara di Indonesia untuk membalas 'muslim yang dizolimi di Rohingya'.
Quote from: Kelana on 23 March 2013, 08:20:21 AM
Myanmar sekarang menjadi negara yang seksi, sedikit ada gesekan, maka media massa akan menyorotnya.
setuju
Semoga saja warga Islam di Indonesia tidak marah kepada warga Buddhist disini sebagai pelampiasan.
Kadang mereka kurang mendapat info yang benar, mereka hanya mendengar dari Masjid saja bahwasanya kaum Muslim dianiayai oleh kaum Buddhist.
Fanatical Buddhist Monk Saydaw Wirathu Calling for Boycott of Myanmar Muslims [VIDEO](https://forum.dhammacitta.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.ibtimes.com%2Fwww%2Fdata%2Fimages%2Fmiddle%2F2013%2F03%2F26%2F356824.jpg&hash=2841aaa9844f74023f087414c796e7df6ad391ba)
Buddhist Monk Saydaw Wirathu, the self-styled "Burmese bin Laden", has called for a national boycott of Muslim businesses in Myanmar in a controversial video that emerged on YouTube.
Wirathu, who has led numerous vocal campaigns against Muslims in Burma and was arrested in 2003 for distributing anti-Muslim literature, urges Burmese people "to join the 969 Buddhist nationalist campaign" and "do business or interact with only our kind: same race and same faith".
"Your purchases spent in 'their' (Muslim) shops will benefit the Enemy," says Wirathu. "So, do business with only shops with 969 signs on their facets".
The numerology of 969 is derived from the Buddhist tradition in which 9 stands for the special attributes of Buddha; 6 for the special attributes of his teaching or Dhamma and 9 for the special attributes of the Sangha or Buddhist order.
In the footage filmed from Mandalay's Ma-soe-yein teaching monastery, Wirathu accuses Muslims of entertaining ties with the military junta that ruled Myanmar for five decades. The apartheid-like speech stirred shocked reaction on Twitter, with users calling the monk a "neo-Nazi" inciting anti-Muslim pogroms in Burma.
Wirathu played an active role in stirring tensions in a Rangoon suburb in February, by spreading unfounded rumours that a local school was being developed into a mosque, according to the Democratic voice of Burma. An angry mob of about 300 Buddhists assaulted the school and Muslim-owned businesses and shops in Rangoon. The monk said that his militancy "is vital to counter aggressive expansion by Muslims". He has also been implicated in religious clashes in Mandalay, where a dozen people died, in several local reports.
Sectarian clashes erupted this week in the central Myanmar city of Meikhtila, where mobs of Buddhists, some led by monks, have attacked a Muslim neighbourhood leaving at least 20 people dead.
"Buddhist monasteries have been distributing leaflets that were critical of Muslims on various things, and that has been going on for months" said Burma Campaign UK's director Mark Farmaner. He maintains there were individual reports, around 10, of monasteries around Rangoon and in the Rakhine state distributing anti-Muslim leaflets.
Muslims in Myanmar represent the 4 percent of a total population of 60 million, according to government census. However, according to the U.S. State Department's 2006 international religious freedom report, the country's non-Buddhist populations were underestimated in the census. Muslim leaders estimate that as much as 20 percent of the population may be Muslim.
Source:
http://m.ibtimes.co.uk/saydaw-wirathu-myanmar-969-burma-450375.html (http://m.ibtimes.co.uk/saydaw-wirathu-myanmar-969-burma-450375.html)
Video:
Mungkin beliau sudah banyak belajar dari sejarah dan melihat contoh2 di belahan dunia yang lain, dan tidak menginginkan Burma (Myanmar) kelak juga menjadi Bamiyan, Afganistan, Chittagong - Bangladesh, Pakistan, Thailand Selatan, Filipina Selatan, dan mungkin Indonesia. :-?
NAYPYIDAW, KOMPAS.com - Utusan Khusus PBB Vijay Nambiar mengatakan, kerusuhan yang menyasar warga minoritas di Myanmar sejak pekan lalu dilakukan dengan "efisiensi brutal". Kerusuhan itu berlanjut hingga Rabu (27/3).
Nambiar, yang baru saja mengunjungi Myanmar dan meninjau lokasi konflik di kota Meiktila, Myanmar tengah, juga mengatakan, "propaganda hasutan" telah digunakan untuk memicu kerusuhan antara warga mayoritas beragama Buddha dan warga minoritas Muslim di negara itu.
Saat berbicara di markas PBB di Thailand, Nambiar juga mengatakan, berdasarkan kesaksian para korban selamat, para pelaku kerusuhan itu bukan orang-orang setempat.
"Sebagian besar orang yang saya temui mengatakan, serangan-serangan itu dilakukan oleh orang-orang yang tidak mereka kenali, dan kemungkinan orang-orang itu berasal dari luar daerah itu," tutur Nambiar, yang sempat mengunjungi tempat perlindungan pengungsi di Meiktila.
http://m.kompas.com/news/read/2013/03/28/08323684/Efisiensi.Brutal.di.Myanmar--international (http://m.kompas.com/news/read/2013/03/28/08323684/Efisiensi.Brutal.di.Myanmar--international)
Myanmar govt targets 'neo-Nazi' Buddhist group
A movement that uses 969 as a symbol of Buddhism and is described as Myanmar's "neo-Nazi group" has come under the microscope in the country for its role in spreading anti-Muslim sentiment.
The government - under pressure to prove it is taking an even-handed approach to prevent more violence - has begun moving against the group.
A member of the Rakhine Youth Association, Ye Min Oo, was one of dozens detained in the wake of the anti-Muslim violence that left more than 40 dead in three days last month in the town of Meikhtila. Arrested on March 25, he was charged at a Yangon court last Thursday with inciting violence.
On March 27 in Bago - another area hit by anti-Muslim violence - Aung Myat Thu, a member of the opposition National League for Democracy (NLD), was also arrested, Radio Free Asia (RFA) has reported.
RFA quoted another Rakhine Youth Association member, Pho Tharr, as saying that the authorities had questioned him about possible links between Ye Min Oo and Mandalay- based Buddhist monk U Wirathu, a leader of 969 well known for anti-Muslim views.
The 969 movement started quite recently in Rakhine state, where last year the Muslim Rohingya minority was targeted in a wave of sectarian violence. Scores died and some 100,000 Rohingya were displaced, and now live in camps.
Stickers bearing the number 969 are on sale in shops, and stuck on Buddhist-owned taxis, establishments and homes. The colourful sticker also features the four-headed lion pillar of the Indian emperor Ashoka, who around 260 years before the birth of Christ spread Gautama Buddha's teachings throughout India and Southeast Asia.
A taxi driver in Yangon, who had a sticker inside his car, told The Straits Times: "This is the religious group for us to follow the Buddha's words."
But witnesses say it has become a symbol of a Buddhist supremacist movement aimed at Muslims that may be supported by powerful figures who see the unrest as a convenient way of driving home the point that only the army can keep order.
Several people with first- hand experience of the violence named 969 as a key factor in interviews with The Straits Times.
An NLD member who owns a tea shop in Bago, north of Yangon, and asked not to be named, witnessed events there.
On March 23 - the third day of the violence in Meikhtila - he said rumours of impending violence in Bago began to circulate, "fuelled by the mass distribution of 969 material - pamphlets calling on Buddhists to defend their religion, and 969 stickers, and a DVD of sermons by Ashin Wirathu".
The next day, local NLD, Muslim and Buddhist leaders met to plan how to avert violence and protect the Muslim community. But the next night, there was no stopping some 40 monks - or at least people in monks' robes - who arrived in town from outside and began to "systematically destroy Muslim houses and Muslim shops using sledgehammers and sticks".
A number of villagers, also mostly from out of town, joined them, he said. A tractor was used to batter the front of a mosque. The driver wore a cloth mask.
The NLD member said: "I asked them, why are you doing this? They said, 'These Muslims are not from Myanmar.'"
Britain-based academic and activist Maung Zarni was the first to warn about the 969 campaign. As Meikhtila burned, he wrote on March 24: "969 is Myanmar's home- grown neo-Nazi group founded and led by extremist Buddhist monks with the avowed aim of defending Buddhist faith, Myanmar race and the Buddhist nation from Burmese Muslims."
The "9" stands for the nine special attributes of Buddha, the "6" for the six special attributes of his teachings, and the last "9" for the nine special attributes of the Buddhist Sangha, or order.
"It is led, most prominently by a saffron-robed pseudo-monk Mr Wirathu... who was jailed in 2003 for his direct involvement in the massacre of Muslim families and destruction of a mosque," Dr Maung Zarni wrote.
Last week, U Wirathu signed a pledge to promote peace and reconciliation after a peace dialogue with multiple groups at the Myanmar Peace Centre. Just days later, he repeated his anti-Muslim messages in a BBC interview.
A Yangon-based analyst, who asked not to be named, told The Straits Times: "We have a saying that the dog's crooked tail can never be straightened. Wirathu is a big troublemaker and the government will not tolerate him. The government is serious about him and others who may be instigating violence. They are being watched."
Last Friday, groups of Buddhists and Muslims in downtown Yangon were distributing fliers urging people not to allow fights to erupt between Buddhists and Muslims. The tea shop owner from Bago who spoke to The Straits Times said 969 followers once came to his shop and asked to affix stickers outside it. He ordered his staff to refuse, and told them to point out to strangers the simple Buddhist altar on the wall.
"That is our Buddhism," he said. "That is enough."
Quote from: morpheus on 28 March 2013, 09:09:43 AM
Video:
Ada yang mengerti bahasa Myanmar?
Ingat.....ragu pangkal cerah
Gw pikir topik ini bisa malah menikam balik umat Buddha di Indonesia kalau sentimen mayoritas terpancing artikel2 begini. Kedepannya bisa merugikan umat Buddha di Indonesia yang tidak tahu apa2 dan tidak terlibat pertikaian di luar negeri.
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Quote from: Kelana on 08 April 2013, 11:05:26 AM
Ada yang mengerti bahasa Myanmar?
Ingat.....ragu pangkal cerah
berita ini dimuat di banyak media terkemuka internasional...
Quote from: sanjiva on 08 April 2013, 12:00:13 PM
Gw pikir topik ini bisa malah menikam balik umat Buddha di Indonesia kalau sentimen mayoritas terpancing artikel2 begini. Kedepannya bisa merugikan umat Buddha di Indonesia yang tidak tahu apa2 dan tidak terlibat pertikaian di luar negeri.
saya pikir buddhis justru harus mengetahui dan bersuara terhadap oknum2 bhikkhu dan tindakan2 intoleransi seperti ini.
seperti halnya kita tidak ingin diperlakukan seperti itu, maka seharusnya kita juga bersuara mengutuk praktek2 intoleransi seperti itu, apalagi dilakukan oleh oknum bhikkhu.
Quote from: sanjiva on 23 March 2013, 08:51:23 PM
Kita boleh saja bisa menyaring kebenaran yang sesunggguhnya dari berita2 yang beredar, namun mainstream masyarakat mudah sekali termakan berita2 tendensius dan sepihak macam begini. Dengan mudah dipercaya mayoritas sehingga mudah memancing rencanan tindakan2 kekerasan menyasar minoritas yang diangap sekelompok dengan orang Luar Negeri yang dianggap menzalimi 'saudara' (seagama) mereka.
Jangan lupa bahwa tersangka teroris Thoriq sudah mengakui mentarget komunitas Buddhis dan vihara di Indonesia untuk membalas 'muslim yang dizolimi di Rohingya'.
denger denger di berita 3 warga Buddha myanmar yg diasingkan akan dideportasi ke Medan Bro...hayo yg Medan mohon kasi info lbh lanjut ttg hal ini :D
Quote from: Eyang Subur on 08 April 2013, 02:53:17 PM
denger denger di berita 3 warga Buddha myanmar yg diasingkan akan dideportasi ke Medan Bro...hayo yg Medan mohon kasi info lbh lanjut ttg hal ini :D
Gw lihat di tv kemarin, katanya dipindah ke Jakarta dan nanti dideportasi.
Yang dua lagi udah mendahului pindah alam karena diamuk Rohingya di Medan.
Quote from: morpheus on 08 April 2013, 12:42:51 PM
berita ini dimuat di banyak media terkemuka internasional...
Media Internasional?
Ada kalanya media internasional juga hanya meng-copy paste suatu berita dengan sedikit perubahan sana-sini, khususnya berita dari negara yang tidak terjangkau. Ini sudah salah satu sifat dari pemberitaan media internasional.
Bagi saya pribadi tidak bisa langsung mempercayai berita meskipun katanya dari BBC, CNN, AP, dll. apalagi video Youtube berbahasa asing (Myanmar) yang tidak saya mengerti serta pengunggah yang tidak jelas, meskipun ada teks Inggrisnya, mengingat siapa saja bisa menaruh sembarangan teks di video Youtube.
Selanjutnya terserah masing-masing, mau menerima begitu saja tanpa mengerti atau sebaliknya. Itu saja.
Catatan: Hal ini bukan saya menepis kemungkinan adanya bhikkhu yang memiliki pemikiran yang berbeda dari biasanya, tapi lebih pada meragukan penggunaan media yang tidak bisa langsung dapat dipercayai.
Quote from: Kelana on 08 April 2013, 04:40:37 PM
Media Internasional?
Ada kalanya media internasional juga hanya meng-copy paste suatu berita dengan sedikit perubahan sana-sini, khususnya berita dari negara yang tidak terjangkau. Ini sudah salah satu sifat dari pemberitaan media internasional.
betul, ada kalanya begitu. ada pula sumber yang penuh distorsi seperti blog2 dan gambar2 palsu yang hanya ingin membangkitkan kemarahan (dan mungkin juga uang).
namun untuk yang ini, sumbernya jelas terpercaya dan banyak...
Quote from: sanjiva on 08 April 2013, 04:03:03 PM
Gw lihat di tv kemarin, katanya dipindah ke Jakarta dan nanti dideportasi.
Yang dua lagi udah mendahului pindah alam karena diamuk Rohingya di Medan.
bisa2 mereka pindah kewarganegaraan indo bcs negaranya masi chaos....ayo yg di jakarta cb besuk mereka...ada yg tau dimana alamat detailnya? _/\_
Quote from: Eyang Subur on 09 April 2013, 12:58:47 PM
bisa2 mereka pindah kewarganegaraan indo bcs negaranya masi chaos....ayo yg di jakarta cb besuk mereka...ada yg tau dimana alamat detailnya? _/\_
Maksudnya mereka mau jadi WNI?? Syapa yg mau? Kacau dan kumuhnya 11-12 aja bagi mereka. :P
Mereka2 itu mau ke Australia dan pake Indonesia sebagai batu loncatan. Jadi meskipun negara asalnya menghujat kapir, tetap negeri kapir adalah negeri impian, bukan negeri sariahnya mereka. ::)
Quote from: Kelana on 08 April 2013, 11:05:26 AM
Ada yang mengerti bahasa Myanmar?
Ingat.....ragu pangkal cerah
[at] bro Kelana,
Sudah sy cross-check kan dg 2 bhikkhu Myanmar temen sekelas dlu, mrk ga mau jawab, sy paham dan maklum krn smw email ato fb yg berkaitan ke LN udh di pasang semacam "CCTV" apapun yg ditulis mrk akan ketahuan pemerintah, jd mrk ga berani.
Lalu sy hubungi teman lain yg satu kelas pula tp bukan kebangsaan Myanmar, hanya beliau bisa bhs myanmar, menurut beliau itu video "fake" karena yg dibicarakan "sound" ama sesungguhnya "lips move" beda....mohon hati2, bgtu pesan dia, beliau berusaha down load itu video tp krn posisi di Myanmar, jd ga berhasil trs, skrg beliau sdg ke bangkok, mudah2an beliau bisa download dan mendengarkan "ASLI" dari pesannya...semoga aja, krn suara yg muncul beda dengan ucapan yg sesungguhnya. demikian yg bs saya bantu bro. smg bermanfaat.
Oya ada satu lagi, klo ini seorang kebangsaan Indonesia yg berada disana, beliau juga berusaha down load tp gagal melulu, jd sy msh menunggu berita dr beliau, krn sampe skrg belum berhasil download.
Quote from: Shasika on 16 April 2013, 06:48:03 PM
[at] bro Kelana,
Sudah sy cross-check kan dg 2 bhikkhu Myanmar temen sekelas dlu, mrk ga mau jawab, sy paham dan maklum krn smw email ato fb yg berkaitan ke LN udh di pasang semacam "CCTV" apapun yg ditulis mrk akan ketahuan pemerintah, jd mrk ga berani.
Lalu sy hubungi teman lain yg satu kelas pula tp bukan kebangsaan Myanmar, hanya beliau bisa bhs myanmar, menurut beliau itu video "fake" karena yg dibicarakan "sound" ama sesungguhnya "lips move" beda....mohon hati2, bgtu pesan dia, beliau berusaha down load itu video tp krn posisi di Myanmar, jd ga berhasil trs, skrg beliau sdg ke bangkok, mudah2an beliau bisa download dan mendengarkan "ASLI" dari pesannya...semoga aja, krn suara yg muncul beda dengan ucapan yg sesungguhnya. demikian yg bs saya bantu bro. smg bermanfaat.
Oya ada satu lagi, klo ini seorang kebangsaan Indonesia yg berada disana, beliau juga berusaha down load tp gagal melulu, jd sy msh menunggu berita dr beliau, krn sampe skrg belum berhasil download.
ada video aslinya? tolong diupload supaya kita bisa liat bedanya...
kalo yang dipermasalahkan suara dengan videonya terlihat beda, itu karena kualitas encodingnya jelek, suaranya lebih cepat dari videonya. coba suaranya disinkronkan, cocok kok...
menghargai concern member di sini yang takut pada tindakan balas dendam, saya gak memposting artikel2 lain setelah post ini.
namun bagi saya, ini jelas. tindakan intoleransi dan praktek2 kebencian harus dikecam, apalagi kalau dilakukan oleh bhikkhu. buddhis harus bersuara untuk mencegah pembusukan di dalam buddhis sendiri, bukan diam saja. dengan segala pembusukan ini, kehancuran agama buddha sudah di ambang pintu dan akan kehilangan relevansinya di dunia modern...
saya posting satu artikel lagi saja dari new york times:
Quote
Monks Gone Bad
By SWE WIN
YANGON, Myanmar — Five years ago, when Myanmar was still under military rule, some Western and Chinese friends asked me how there could be such oppression in a country where Buddhism, which preaches nonviolence, is the predominant religion.
I was in self-imposed exile at the time, studying journalism at the University of Hong Kong, and I would answer that the country's military leaders were immoral, Buddhists in name only. I would also point out that Myanmar's pre-colonial monarchical rulers — they, too, nominally Buddhist — also had committed great crimes. In other words, nothing was wrong with the religion itself; the problem was with the politicians who were flouting it.
I can't give such answers any more — not since the recent deadly attacks by Buddhists against Muslims in Meikhtila, a city in central Myanmar with no history of sectarian violence. Reports that monks instigated some of those burnings, beatings and killings suggest a much deeper problem than unprincipled state officials.
The general public in Myanmar, which is largely Buddhist (about 90 percent) and ethnic Bamar (over 65 percent), would like to believe that the Buddhist monks who allegedly participated in these brutal incidents aren't real monks. That's easier than contemplating the painful reality that the venerated Buddhist order, the Sangha, has become largely corrupt.
There was a time when most of the young men and women who joined the order were driven by a spiritual quest. But during the half-century of the junta's rule, it was the wars along the border areas and crushing poverty that brought novices to monasteries. Many were orphans with no other options; others were children entrusted to the monks by destitute parents trying to secure shelter and some schooling for them. In the profile of its recruits, the Sangha wasn't so different from the Burmese Army — and sometimes the abbots were as brutal as officers.
I grew up in 1990s in a conservative Buddhist family and spent every summer after the fifth grade studying at monasteries. Rather than focus on meditation, the monks practiced astrology to attract donations and were busy collecting household objects as alms. Today, many Burmese monks own digital phones, luxury cars and LCD televisions. Some also gamble. "Only when you grow old do you seek the path of spirituality," an abbot in Yangon told me last week. "Otherwise, most of the monks lead a normal life not different from that of laymen."
Worse, the monks I met during those summers viewed the Sangha as a sect, displaying little regard for other faiths and much indifference for the universal nature of Buddha's teachings. As long as Myanmar is unstable politically and economically, the order will remain a refuge for people in trouble but also, in some cases, a breeding ground for sectarianism.
In 2001, anti-Muslim attacks broke out in Taungoo, Pyinmana, Kyaukse and other cities in central Myanmar, and several of the young monks involved were jailed. I met some of them in Myingyan Prison near Mandalay, where I was serving time as a student dissident. One proudly told me that he had defended Buddhism by torching Muslims' properties. Another, known as Wirathu, who was jailed at a different prison for the same crimes now runs a campaign called the 969 movement, giving hate speeches against Muslims.
I'm glad they didn't say I was not a Buddhist.
===
Swe Win is a freelance journalist based in Yangon.
cukup sampai di sini untuk topik ini.
terserah, buddhis memilih untuk prihatin atau tidur membutakan diri dari masalah ini...
Quote from: morpheus on 19 April 2013, 09:33:50 AM
ada video aslinya? tolong diupload supaya kita bisa liat bedanya...
kalo yang dipermasalahkan suara dengan videonya terlihat beda, itu karena kualitas encodingnya jelek, suaranya lebih cepat dari videonya. coba suaranya disinkronkan, cocok kok...
menghargai concern member di sini yang takut pada tindakan balas dendam, saya gak memposting artikel2 lain setelah post ini.
namun bagi saya, ini jelas. tindakan intoleransi dan praktek2 kebencian harus dikecam, apalagi kalau dilakukan oleh bhikkhu. buddhis harus bersuara untuk mencegah pembusukan di dalam buddhis sendiri, bukan diam saja. dengan segala pembusukan ini, kehancuran agama buddha sudah di ambang pintu dan akan kehilangan relevansinya di dunia modern...
saya posting satu artikel lagi saja dari new york times:cukup sampai di sini untuk topik ini.
terserah, buddhis memilih untuk prihatin atau tidur membutakan diri dari masalah ini...
Quote
Monks Gone Bad
By SWE WIN
YANGON, Myanmar — Five years ago, when Myanmar was still under military rule, some Western and Chinese friends asked me how there could be such oppression in a country where Buddhism, which preaches nonviolence, is the predominant religion.
I was in self-imposed exile at the time, studying journalism at the University of Hong Kong, and I would answer that the country's military leaders were immoral, Buddhists in name only. I would also point out that Myanmar's pre-colonial monarchical rulers — they, too, nominally Buddhist — also had committed great crimes. In other words, nothing was wrong with the religion itself; the problem was with the politicians who were flouting it.
I can't give such answers any more — not since the recent deadly attacks by Buddhists against Muslims in Meikhtila, a city in central Myanmar with no history of sectarian violence. Reports that monks instigated some of those burnings, beatings and killings suggest a much deeper problem than unprincipled state officials.
The general public in Myanmar, which is largely Buddhist (about 90 percent) and ethnic Bamar (over 65 percent), would like to believe that the Buddhist monks who allegedly participated in these brutal incidents aren't real monks. That's easier than contemplating the painful reality that the venerated Buddhist order, the Sangha, has become largely corrupt.
There was a time when most of the young men and women who joined the order were driven by a spiritual quest. But during the half-century of the junta's rule, it was the wars along the border areas and crushing poverty that brought novices to monasteries. Many were orphans with no other options; others were children entrusted to the monks by destitute parents trying to secure shelter and some schooling for them. In the profile of its recruits, the Sangha wasn't so different from the Burmese Army — and sometimes the abbots were as brutal as officers.
I grew up in 1990s in a conservative Buddhist family and spent every summer after the fifth grade studying at monasteries. Rather than focus on meditation, the monks practiced astrology to attract donations and were busy collecting household objects as alms. Today, many Burmese monks own digital phones, luxury cars and LCD televisions. Some also gamble. "Only when you grow old do you seek the path of spirituality," an abbot in Yangon told me last week. "Otherwise, most of the monks lead a normal life not different from that of laymen."
Worse, the monks I met during those summers viewed the Sangha as a sect, displaying little regard for other faiths and much indifference for the universal nature of Buddha's teachings. As long as Myanmar is unstable politically and economically, the order will remain a refuge for people in trouble but also, in some cases, a breeding ground for sectarianism.
In 2001, anti-Muslim attacks broke out in Taungoo, Pyinmana, Kyaukse and other cities in central Myanmar, and several of the young monks involved were jailed. I met some of them in Myingyan Prison near Mandalay, where I was serving time as a student dissident. One proudly told me that he had defended Buddhism by torching Muslims' properties. Another, known as Wirathu, who was jailed at a different prison for the same crimes now runs a campaign called the 969 movement, giving hate speeches against Muslims.
I'm glad they didn't say I was not a Buddhist.
===
Swe Win is a freelance journalist based in Yangon.
[at] bro Morpheus,
Saya sangat senang sekali dengan artikel anda ini krn memang demikian keadaan yg sesungguhnya disana, hanya para militer beserta keluarga dan para Bhikkhu (***maaf ini kenyataan) yang dapat hidup lebih dari nyaman. ;D
Tentang Video karena sy buta bhs Myanmar jd saya tidak berani komen apapun, sy msh menunggu jwbn dr sana. Sejak bro Kelana tanya di forum sy udh hunting mereka yang dlu temen2 sekelas sy tp mrk ga jwb2, sy pikir krn sibuk, sy tanya lg, tetap blm dijawab, akhirnya sy nyari alternatif lain, juga blm berhasil dpt jwbn.... :))
Buddha bilang kebencian harus dibalas dengan cinta kasih. Maksudnya cinta kasih yg bagaimana sih? Dan dalam kasus ini bagaimana cinta kasih itu dapat diaplikasikan?
Selam dimana mana pasti ada masalah! Damai apanya sih tuh agama?
Quote from: Sol Capoeira on 19 April 2013, 12:46:03 PM
Selam dimana mana pasti ada masalah! Damai apanya sih tuh agama?
[at] bro Sol Capoeira,
IYA memang selamanya dimana2 selalu ada masalah karena mereka semua BUKAN arahat, apabila semua manusia di dunia ini udah mampu mencapai arahat semua maka barulah dunia damai. Mau Agama apapun itu TIDAK menjamin kedamaian, karena ternyata negara yang beragama Buddhist pun juga belum damai, masih terjadi pelanggaran HAM. ;D
Quote from: Sunyata on 19 April 2013, 12:17:06 PM
Buddha bilang kebencian harus dibalas dengan cinta kasih. Maksudnya cinta kasih yg bagaimana sih? Dan dalam kasus ini bagaimana cinta kasih itu dapat diaplikasikan?
jangan mencampuradukkan ajaran pengembangan batin dengan masalah sosial.
masalah sosial obatnya adalah kebijakan sosial, masalah ekonomi makro obatnya adalah kebijakan ekonomi makro.
btw, yang benar adalah kebencian berakhir dengan tidak membenci...
5. Kebencian tak akan pernah berakhir, apabila dibalas dengan kebencian. Tetapi, kebencian akan berakhir, Bila dibalas dengan tidak membenci. Inilah satu hukum abadi.
5. Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased. This is a law eternal.