Forum Dhammacitta

gini lhoo crita na teman2...
kan di lingkungan kosan gue itu dr yang agama buddha (tradisi dr ortunya) ketarik ya sama ajaran tetangga kita coz dy org cm di ajarin suruh sembanyang2 gt ajah.. sampe narik2 gue buat ikut kebaktian mereka.. buat gue ikut2 aja kesana seh gak masalah ya cm dateng, duduk, ikutin kebahtian nya, nyanyi, denger crita tentang yang dulu2, truz dgr kehebatan mereka.. ya uda ni gue cm ikut 1 x ajah ma mereka org mpe ada raise hand buat blessing masing2 gt.. tangis2ann.. huiikzzz.... >,<

nah disini ada temen gue yang ketarik dr agama buddha (tradisi yang dt ajak gue ke gereja) nanya2 tentang agama buddha yang gue jalanin.. mungkin dy org heran kali soalnya gue gak pnh ikut2 keg ortu na mereka gt yang sll sembayang (apa itu namana yang ada di depan rumah, ato di dapur, ato dimana ajah yang katana nyembah dewa langit n dewa2 yang laen na gak ngerti dah... buat ce it cap go ajah gak pnh ikut)
dy tanya ma gue sbnrna apa yang diajarin di agama u? n kok u beda sama yang ortu gue jalanin??
truz gue jawab : yang diajarin agama gue tu : jangan lah berbuat jahat, tambahkan kebajikan, sucikan hati dan pikiran.. nah buat jawab pertanyaan ke 2 gue binun... gmn ngejelasin na soalnya gue pikir apa baik kalo gue jelasin?? truz dia tanya lagi masalah renkarnasi.. yg ini jg gue gak isa jelasin lg.. binun mu gmn jelasin na soalnya kan gue mank pernah ngalamin na, tp gue gak isa ngejelasin soalnya diri gue sendiri ajah gak inget uda kelahiran yang keberapa keadaan gue yang sekarang ini.. ya gue cm bilang : sama aja keg gue jelasin lao racun itu mematikan sedangkan gue lum coba racun itu.. jd Ehipassiko ajah ya..

nah yang pengen gue tanya disini.. gmn jelasin ke mereka org ya? mana ya yang bisa gue jelasin ke mereka org?? dan mana yang sebaiknya gak gue jelasin? yang baiknya gmn gt? jd binun sendri soalnya pas gue bilang: datang, lihat dan buktikan mereka bilang gue uda gak isa jawab gt. jd gak pasti jawaban gue.. >,<

Saya coba ya.
Pertama saya akan menjelaskan apa adanya.

Quotesbnrna apa yang diajarin di agama u?

Be good, be happy and be mindful
(Ini slogan dari acara Dharma For Kids di TV. Slogan ini menarik untuk orang awam bukan hanya memberi gambaran bahwa agama Buddha bisa menjadikan orang baik saja tetapi juga menjadi orang yang berbahagia. Semua orang ingin bahagia.) 

Quoten kok u beda sama yang ortu gue jalanin??

Agama Buddha sama seperti agama lainnya tidak bisa lari dari yang namanya tradisi daerah dimana agama Buddha berkembang. Dengan demikian memungkinkan adanya perbedaan kebiasaan / tradisi pada umat Buddha. Salah satu tradisi yang berpengaruh banyak terhadap agama Buddha adalah tradisi Tionghoa seperti sembahyang kepada dewa dapur, kepada thien, dll.

Quotemasalah reinkarnasi

(Saya cenderung terlebih dulu meluruskan bahwa istilah reinkarnasi tidak tepat digunakan, tetapi yang tepat adalah rebirth atau tumimbal lahir.Jika yang bersangkutan tertarik mengenai perbedaan istilah baru kita lanjutkan, tetapi kita bisa langsung keintinya)
Kita tidak mengingat kehidupan lampau bukan berarti ia tidak ada. Seperti kita tidak ingat peristiwa saat kita masih bayi, bukan berarti kita tidak pernah menjadi bayi.
Rebirth tidak lain adalah bagian dari proses sebab-akibat. Kemelekatan pada hidup dan kehidupan adalah bahan bahar/penyebab dari proses Rebirth berjalan. Kondisi kita sekarang adalah akibat dari apa yang kita lakukan sebelumnya. Kondisi kita saat lahir adalah akibat dari kehidupan lampau.

Itu saja pendapat saya, mungkin ada pendapat lain dari rekan-rekan yang lain.

Sebelum menjelaskan ke orang lain, ada baiknya sis Mei Lee memulai belajar Dharma juga terlebih dahulu.

Salah satu buku yang saya rekomendasikan adalah :
- Buku pelajaran agama Buddha untuk SMU kelas I, II dan III

atau buku populer:
- "Keyakinan Umat Buddha" karangan Sri Dhammananda

atau kalau bisa berbahasa Inggris, silakan pelajasi e-book yang banyak terdapat pada:
www.buddhanet.net

Quotenah disini ada temen gue yang ketarik dr agama buddha (tradisi yang dt ajak gue ke gereja) nanya2 tentang agama buddha yang gue jalanin.. mungkin dy org heran kali soalnya gue gak pnh ikut2 keg ortu na mereka gt yang sll sembayang (apa itu namana yang ada di depan rumah, ato di dapur, ato dimana ajah yang katana nyembah dewa langit n dewa2 yang laen na gak ngerti dah... buat ce it cap go ajah gak pnh ikut)

Apakah seseorang beragama itu HARUS ikut kegiatan rutin seperti ke tempat ibadah?
Apakah seseorang itu bisa dilihat kualitasnya dari seringnya beribadah?

Jawaban dariku TIDAK!!

Quotedy tanya ma gue sbnrna apa yang diajarin di agama u? n kok u beda sama yang ortu gue jalanin??
truz gue jawab : yang diajarin agama gue tu : jangan lah berbuat jahat, tambahkan kebajikan, sucikan hati dan pikiran.. nah buat jawab pertanyaan ke 2 gue binun... gmn ngejelasin na soalnya gue pikir apa baik kalo gue jelasin?? truz dia tanya lagi masalah renkarnasi.. yg ini jg gue gak isa jelasin lg.. binun mu gmn jelasin na soalnya kan gue mank pernah ngalamin na, tp gue gak isa ngejelasin soalnya diri gue sendiri ajah gak inget uda kelahiran yang keberapa keadaan gue yang sekarang ini.. ya gue cm bilang : sama aja keg gue jelasin lao racun itu mematikan sedangkan gue lum coba racun itu.. jd Ehipassiko ajah ya..

QUESTION: You certainly think highly of Buddhism. I suppose you believe it is
the only true religion and that all the others are false.
ANSWER: No Buddhist who understands the Buddha's teaching thinks that other
religions are wrong. No one who has made a genuine effort to examine other
religions with an open mind could think like that either. The first thing you notice
when you study the different religions is just how much they have in common. All
religions acknowledge that humankind's present state is unsatisfactory. All believe
that a change of attitude and behavior is needed if the human situation is to
improve. All teach an ethics that includes love, kindness, patience, generosity and
social responsibility and all accept the existence of some form of Absolute. They use
different languages, different names and different symbols to describe and explain
these things. It is only when people cling narrow-mindedly to their particular way
of seeing things that intolerance, pride and self-righteousness arise.
Imagine an Englishman, a Frenchman, a Chinese and an Indonesian all looking at a
cup. The Englishman says, 'That is a cup.' The Frenchman answers, 'No it's not.
It's a tasse.' Then the Chinese comments, 'You are both wrong. It's a pei.' Finally
the Indonesian man laughs at the others and says 'What fools you are. It's a
cawan.' Then the Englishman get a dictionary and shows it to the others saying, 'I
can prove that it is a cup. My dictionary says so.' 'Then your dictionary is wrong,'
says the Frenchman, 'because my dictionary clearly says it is a tasse.' The
Chinese scoffs; 'My dictionary says it's a pei and my dictionary is thousands of
years older than yours so it must be right. And besides, more people speak
Chinese than any other language, so it must be a pei.' While they are squabbling
and arguing with each other, another man comes up, drinks from the cup and then
says to the others, 'Whether you call it a cup, a tasse, a pei or a cawan, the
purpose of the cup is to hold water so that it can be drunk. Stop arguing and drink,
stop squabbling and refresh your thirst.' This is the Buddhist attitude to other
religions.

Quotetentang tumibal lahir / rebirth

5. REBIRTH
QUESTION: Where do we humans come from and where are we going?
ANSWER: There are three possible answers to this question. Those who believe in
a god or gods usually claims that before individuals are created, they do not exist,
then they come into being through the will of a god. They live their lives and then,
according to what they believe or do during their life, they go either to eternal
heaven or eternal hell. There are others, humanists and scientists, who claims that
the individual comes into being at conception due to natural causes, lives and then
at death, cease to exist. Buddhism does not accept either of these explanations.
The first gives rise to many ethical problems. If a good god really creates each of us,
it is difficult to explain why so many people are born with the most dreadful
deformities or why so many babies are miscarried just before birth or are still-born.
Another problem with the theistic explanation is that it seems very unjust that a
person should suffer eternal pain in hell for what they did in just 60 or 70 years on
earth. Sixty or 70 years of non-beliefs or immoral living does not seem to deserve
eternal torture. Likewise, 60 or 70 years of virtuous living seems a very small outlay
for eternal bliss in heaven. The second explanation is better than the first and has
more scientific evidence to support it but still leaves important questions
unanswered. How can a phenomenon so amazingly complex as human
consciousness develop from the simple meeting the sperm and the egg and in just
nine months? And now that parapsychology is a recognized branch of science,
phenomena like telepathy are increasingly difficult to fit into the materialistic model
of the mind.
Buddhism offers the most satisfactory explanation of where humans come from and
where they are going. When we die, the mind with all the tendencies, preferences,
abilities and characteristics that have been developed and conditioned in this life, reestablishes
itself in a fertilized egg. Thus the individual grows, is reborn and
develops a personality conditioned both by the mental characteristics that have been
carried over from the last life and by the new environment. The personality will
change and be modified by conscious effort and conditioning factors like education,
parental influence and society and once again at death, re-establish itself in a new
fertilized egg. This process of dying and being reborn will continue until the
conditions that cause it, craving and ignorance, cease. When they do, instead of
being reborn, the mind attains a state called Nirvana and this is the ultimate goal of
Buddhism and the purpose of life.
QUESTION: How does the mind go from one body to another?
ANSWER: Think of being like radio waves. The radio waves, which are not made up
of words and music but energy at different frequencies, are transmitted, move
through space, are attracted to and picked up by the receiver from where they are
broadcast as words and music. It is similar with the mind. At death, mental energy
moves through space, is attracted to and picked up by the fertilized egg. As the
embryo grows, it centers itself in the brain from where it later 'broadcasts' itself as
the new personality.
QUESTION: Is one always reborn as a human being?
ANSWER: No, there are several realms in which one can be reborn. Some people
are reborn in heaven, some are reborn in hell, some are reborn as hungry spirits and
so on. Heaven is not so much a place as a state of existence where one has a
subtle body and where the mind experiences mainly pleasure. Like all conditioned
states, heaven is impermanent and when one's life span there is finished, one could
well be reborn again as a human. Hell, likewise, is not a place but a state of
existence where one has a subtle body and where the mind experiences mainly
anxiety and distress. Being reborn as a hungry ghost, again, is a state of being
where the body is subtle and where the mind is continually plagued by longing and
dissatisfaction. So heavenly beings experience mainly pleasure, hell beings and
hungry spirits experience mainly pain and human beings experience usually a
mixture of both. The main difference between the human realm and other realms is
the body type and the quality of experience.
QUESTION: What decides where a person will be reborn?
ANSWER: The most important factor, but not the only one, influencing where we will
be reborn and what sort of life we shall have, is kamma. The word kamma means
'action' and refers to our intentional mental actions. In other words, what we are is
determined very much by how we have thought and acted in the past. Likewise, how
we think and act now will influence how we will be in the future. The gentle, loving
type of person tends to be reborn in a heaven realm or as a human being who has a
predominance of pleasant experiences. The anxious, worried or extremely cruel type
of person tends to be reborn in a hell realm or as a human being who has a
predominance of unpleasant experiences. The person who develops obsessive
craving, fierce longings and burning ambitions that can never be satisfied tends to
be reborn as a hungry spirit or as a human being frustrated by longing and wanting.
Whatever mental habits are strongly developed in this life will simply continue in the
next life. Most people, however, are reborn as human being.
QUESTION: So we are not determined by our kamma, we can change it.
ANSWER: Of course we can. That is why one of the steps on the Noble Eightfold
Path is Perfect Effort. It depends on our sincerity, how much energy we exert and
how strong the habit is. But it is true that some people simply go through life under
the influence of their past habits, without making an effort to change them and falling
victim to their unpleasant results. Such people will continue to suffer unless they
change their negative habits. The longer the negative habits remain, the more
difficult they are to change. The Buddhist understands this and take advantage of
each and every opportunity to break mental habits that have unpleasant results and
to develop ones that have a pleasant result. Meditation is one of the techniques
used to modify the habit patterns of the mind as is speaking or refraining from
speaking, acting or refraining from acting in certain ways. The whole of the Buddhist
life is a training to purify and free the mind. For example, if being patient and kind
were a pronounced part of your character in your last life, such tendencies would
re-emerge in the present life. If they are encouraged and developed in the present
life they will re-emerge even stronger and more pronounced in the future life. This is
based upon the simple and observable fact that long established habits tend to be
difficult to break.
Now, when you are patient and kind, it tends to happen that you are not easily
ruffled by others, you don't hold grudges, people like you and thus your experiences
tends to be happier. Take another example. Let us say that you came into life with
tendency to be patient and kind due to your mental habits in the past life. But in the
present life you neglect to strengthen and develop such tendencies. They would
gradually weaken and die out and perhaps be completely absent in the future life.
Patience and kindness being weak in this case, there is a possibility that in either
this life or in the next life, a short temper, anger and cruelty could grow and develop,
bringing with them all the unpleasant experiences such attitudes create.
We will take one last example. Let us say that due to your mental habits in the last
life, you came into the present life with the tendency to be short-tempered and angry
and you realize that such habits only cause unpleasantness. If you are only able
to weaken such tendencies, they would re-emerge in the next life where with a bit
more effort, they could be eliminated completely and you could be free from their
unpleasant effects.
QUESTION: You have talked a lot about rebirth but is there any proof that we
are reborn when we die?
ANSWER: Not only is there scientific evidence to support the Buddhist belief in
rebirth, it is the only after-life theory that has any evidence to support it. There is not
a scrap of evidence to prove the existence of heaven and of course evidence of
annihilation at death must be lacking. But during the last 30 years, parapsychologists
have been studying reports that some people have vivid memories of their former
lives. For example, in England, a 5 year old girl said she could remember her 'other
mother and father' and she talked vividly about what sounded like the events in the
life of another person. Parapsychologists were called in and they asked hundreds of
questions to which the girl gave answers. She spoke of living in a particular village
in what appeared to be Spain, she gave the name of the village, the name of the
street she lived in, her neighbors' names and details about her everyday life there.
She also tearfully spoke of how she had been struck by a car and died of her injuries
two days later. When these details were checked, they were found to be accurate.
There was a village in Spain with the name the girl had given. There was a house
of the type she had described in the street she had named. What is more, it was
found that a 23-year old woman living in the house had been killed in a car accident
5 years before. Now how is it possible for a 5 year old girl living in England and who
had never been to Spain to know all these details? And of course, this is not the only
case of this type. Professor Ian Stevenson of the University of Virginia's Department
of Psychology has described dozens of cases of this type in his books. He is an
accredited scientist whose 25 year study of people who remember former lives is
very strong evidence for the Buddhist teaching of rebirth.*
*See Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation and Cases of Reincarnation Type, University Press
of Virginia, Charlotteville, 1975.
QUESTION: Some people might say that the supposed ability to remember
former lives is the work of devils.
ANSWER: You simply cannot dismiss everything that doesn't fit into your belief as
being the work of devils. When cold hard facts are produced to support an idea, you
must use rational and logical arguments if you wish to counter them - not irrational
and superstitious talk about devils.

QUESTION: You could say that talk about rebirth a bit superstitious also?
ANSWER: The dictionary defines superstition as 'a belief which is not based on
reason or fact but on an association of ideas, as in magic.' If you can show me a
careful study of the existence of devils written by a scientist I will concede that belief
in devils is not superstition. But I have never heard of any research into devils;
scientists simply wouldn't bother to study such things, so I say there is no evidence
for the existence of devils. But as we have just seen, there is evidence which seems
to suggest that rebirth does take place. If belief in rebirth is based on at least some
facts, it cannot be a superstition.
QUESTION: Well, have there been any scientist who believe in rebirth?
ANSWER: Yes. Thomas Huxley, who was responsible for having science introduced
into the British school system in the 19th century and who was the first scientist to
defend Darwin's theories, believed that reincarnation was a very plausible idea. In
his famous book Evolution and Ethics and other Essays, he says:
'In the doctrine of transmigration, whatever its origin, Brahmanical and Buddhist
speculation found, ready to hand, the means of constructing a plausible
vindication of the ways of the Cosmos to man ... Yet this plea of justification is
not less plausible than others; and none but very hasty thinkers will reject it on
the ground of inherent absurdity. Like the doctrine of evolution itself, that of
transmigration has its roots in the world of reality; and it may claim such support
as the great argument from analogy is capable of supplying.'
Professor Gustaf Stromberg, the famous Swedish astronomer, physicist and friend
of Einstein also found the idea of rebirth appealing.
'Opinions differ whether human souls can be reincarnated on the earth or not. In
1936 a very interesting case was thoroughly investigated and reported by the
government authorities in India. A girl (Shanti Devi from Delhi) could accurately
describe her previous life (at Muttra, five hundred miles from Delhi) which ended
about a year before her "second birth". She gave the name of her husband and
child and described her home and life history. The investigating commission
brought her to her former relatives, who verified all her statements. Among the
people of India reincarnations are regarded as commonplace; the astonishing
thing for them in this case was the great number of facts the girl remembered.
This and similar cases can be regarded as additional evidence for the theory of
the indestructibility of memory.'
Professor Julian Huxley, the distinguished British scientist who was Director General
of UNESCO believed that rebirth was quite in harmony with scientific thinking.
'There is nothing against a permanently surviving spirit-individuality being in
some way given off at death, as a definite wireless message is given off by a
sending apparatus working in a particular way. But it must be remembered that
the wireless message only becomes a message again when it comes in contact
with a new, material structure - the receiver. It ... would never think or feel unless
again 'embodied' in some way. Our personalities are so based on body that it is
really impossible to think of survival which would be in any true sense personal
without a body of sorts ... I can think of something being given off which would
bear the same relation to men and women as a wireless message to the
transmitting apparatus; but in that case 'the dead' would, so far as one can see,
be nothing but disturbances of different patterns wandering through the universe
until ... they ... came back to actuality of consciousness by making contact with
something which could work as a receiving apparatus for mind.'
Even very practical and down-to-earth people like the American industrialist Henry
Ford found the idea or rebirth acceptable. Ford was attracted to the idea because it
gives one a second chance to develop oneself. Henry Ford said:
'I adopted the theory of Reincarnation when I was twenty-six... Religion offered
nothing to the point... Even work could not give me complete satisfaction. Work
is futile if we cannot utilize the experience we collect in one life in the next. When
I discovered Reincarnation it was as if I had found a universal plan. I realized
that there was a chance to work out my ideas. Time was no longer limited. I was
no longer a slave to the hands of the clock... Genius is experience. Some seem
to think that it is a gift or talent, but it is the fruit of long experience in many lives.
Some are older souls than others, and so they know more... The discovery of
Reincarnation put my mind at ease... If you preserve a record of this
conversation, write it so that it puts men's minds at ease. I would like to
communicate to others the calmness that the long view of life gives to us.'
So the Buddhist teachings of rebirth does have some scientific basis, it is logically
consistent and it goes a long way to answering some important questions about
human destiny. But it is also very comforting. According to Buddha, if you failed to
attain Nirvana in this life, you will have the opportunity to try again next time. If you
have made mistakes in this life, you will be able to correct yourself in the next life.
You will truly be able to learn from your mistakes. Things you were unable to do or
achieve in this life may well become possible in the next life. What a wonderful
teaching!
QUESTION: All this is very intellectually satisfying but I must admit that I am
still a bit skeptical.
ANSWER: That's okay. Buddhism is not the type of religion you have to sign up to
and commit yourself to believe everything it teaches. What is the point of forcing
yourself to believe things you just can't believe? You can still practice those things
that you find helpful, accept those ideas that you understand and benefit from them
without believing in rebirth. Who knows! In time you may come to see the truth of
rebirth.

aduuuh koko Ryu b.ing na buat pusing. hahaha :P jd ada baiknya aku jelasin ajah gt ya?? waktu yang masalah renkarnasi jg aku bilang kok agama buddha itu diajarkan tumumbal lahir bukan nya rainkarnasi.. disni yang mau aku tanya tu, apa gak akan apa2 kalau aku jelaskan ke mereka smua gt?? pdhl mereka kan masi gak gt ngerti. wong dy org aja bilang bhikkhu itu kaya smua pegi kemana2 mobilnya ganti2. pake Hp pula yng keren.. gt. denger mereka ngom gt aja mau ketawa aku!! hahaha :P cm apa baik kalau aku kasi tau mereka langsungpd intinya?? bukan na mereka malah bertanya2??? n bingung sendiri nti?? jd baiknya menjelaskan yang seperti apa? sedangkan mereka itu umat agama lain.. :P kalo ada salah ngom sedikit aja uda pada protes gt. >,<

Gk ada penjelasan yg lebih bagus lagi daripada bukti nyata. Lagian aQ yang beragama Buddha, aQ yang jalanin and aQ juga yang happy, merubah pandangan orang itu susah lho.
Question:Apa itu agama Buddha?
Answer  :Agama ku.
Queation:Kenapa u agama Buddha?
Answer  :Cocok aja.
Queation:Apa itu reinkarnasi?
Answer   :Kan difilm jg banyak, pengertian masing2 org beda lho. Nangkap aj sendiri.
Yah gitu aja d.  ;D

Mei Lee...beli buku Good Question Good Answer aje..
buku tuh bagus...gua beli Rp 25.000 aja di Gramedia ( ga bermaksud Promosi)

Hehe kalo gak download aja ebooknya, ada tp bahasa inglish hehehe :P

Quote from: JackDaniel on 08 December 2007, 02:52:16 PM
Mei Lee...beli buku Good Question Good Answer aje..
buku tuh bagus...gua beli Rp 25.000 aja di Gramedia ( ga bermaksud Promosi)

kayanya ada e-booknya di www.buddhanet.net

btw kalau ditanya, & disodorin jawaban kaya ryu, dijamin deh sipenanya ga mo bertanya lagi... good question (short), good answer (long)... membuat orang berpikir utk tanya lagi (joke*)

Hehehehe supaya makin penasaran makanya gw kasi english, tar nyari indonya , ya beli tuh Ok!

Beyond Belief jg bagus tooh...

Beyond Belief ngajak perang =))

Quote from: Kemenyan on 08 December 2007, 05:11:17 PM
Beyond Belief ngajak perang =))

moco oloh, bro menyan...
ampe terguling-guling ketawanya... ;D


By : Zen

 _/\_

Mei lee lokasinya dimana? suka baca buku gak? ginny banyak buku Dharma bagus. Buku2 yang di rekomendasikan di atas ginny juga punya.

Dulu ginny juga sering susah menjelasin ke umat agama lain tentang agama buddha. ginny juga baru 2 tahun belajar agama Buddha yang sebenarnya secara otodidak melalui buku dan melalui teman2 vihara. tapi masukan yang banyak ya dari buku.

coba Private message ke ginny alamat mei lee kalo mau ginny pinjamin ntar ginny kirim lewat TIKI. gimana?

ada juga buku tanya-jawab Bhante Uttamo coba mei lee cari. ginny belajar agama Buddha pertama kali dari sering baca buku tanya jawab seperti itu.  lebih gak ribet jadi kita gak terlalu boring.

ingat ya mei lee kalo mau. Private message ginny aja. ntar ginny kirimin. yang bagus2.

Sabbe Satta Bhavantu Sukhitata.

 

cie......... ryu... pdkt nih... cayo... cayo... serang ryu........ kamu bisa.
ryu... buat modal pdkt beliin dong mei_lee buku-buku Dharma yang banyak ato buku komik juga boleh...
mei ntar dah di beliin ryu komik pinjamin ginny ya..

Ginny juga gimana? Mau gak pinjem film ITU? Tar pm gw aja alamat km, nanti di kirim lewat tiki, ingat ya ini rahasia kita berdua hehehehehehe ;)

Ginny...aku mau....

 [at] jack daniel : pengarang na sapa tu?????

[at]  Ginny : hehe boleh jg aku pinjem tp ntr balikin na binun jg c. hahaha kalo gak ntr ginny bilang aja apa judulna, pengarang na, truz ntr aku cari di gramed. :D ato di bursa budhist.. nah looo ginny ketauan yaa... ko ryu ayo ada rahasia apa sama ginny.. hahahaha =))

[at]  mushroom : hahaha dasar yeh, seru jg kali kalo djwb gt, makin penasaran dy n makiin kesel aje ma aku. hahaha

Quote from: ryu on 09 December 2007, 06:17:33 AM
Ginny juga gimana? Mau gak pinjem film ITU? Tar pm gw aja alamat km, nanti di kirim lewat tiki, ingat ya ini rahasia kita berdua hehehehehehe ;)

mau dong ryu...  =P~ tapi lu belum nonton kan? lu nonton dulu. ntar ginny baru pinjam  :)) :)). ntar ginny PM alamat ginny ok

Quote from: mei_lee on 09 December 2007, 02:15:35 PM
[at] jack daniel : pengarang na sapa tu?????

[at]  Ginny : hehe boleh jg aku pinjem tp ntr balikin na binun jg c. hahaha kalo gak ntr ginny bilang aja apa judulna, pengarang na, truz ntr aku cari di gramed. :D ato di bursa budhist.. nah looo ginny ketauan yaa... ko ryu ayo ada rahasia apa sama ginny.. hahahaha =))

[at]  mushroom : hahaha dasar yeh, seru jg kali kalo djwb gt, makin penasaran dy n makiin kesel aje ma aku. hahaha

mei lee gak usah pikirin balikinnya lar... buat mei juga boleh kok. tuh buku semua dah ginny baca.
kan lebih bagus kasih org buat nambah ilmu daripada di dalam lemari penuh debu. hehe  :)) :))

ada buku bagus,"kronologi hidup Sang Buddha"
baru keluar tuh buku.
Kebetulan pengarangnya bikkhu Indonesia berlatih di Myanmar, malah sempet dateng ke Bali.


di gramedia banyak.
_/\_