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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #30 on: 24 March 2011, 08:28:08 PM »
- manfaatnya: kehidupan tanpa kematian (immortality).

pantesan hugh hefner gak mati-mati.
mau ikut jejaknya om =))
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #31 on: 24 March 2011, 08:29:43 PM »
Maksudnya tidak pernah ada didalam kitab2 suci Taoist
om punya kitab tao?
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #32 on: 24 March 2011, 08:31:57 PM »
Perhatikan yang di bold.

Keknya ajaran Tao tidak pernah mengajarkan kontrol ejakulasi deh.....mungkin kalau ada yang tau , tolong sumber kitabnya apa?

Orgasme tanpa ejakulasi juga tidak pernah ada

Pencampuran yin dan yang...menambah vitalitas...jadi sering2 dilakukan.--->Ini bukan teori Tao . Justru para praktisi Tao(yang melatih energi chi---Misalnya chikung)  menganjurkan agar tidak sering2 orgasme bahkan Pendeta Tao ada yang tidak menikah contohnya : Chang Sang Feng

Posisi gerakan apa? gerakan seks?---> kalau ada penyakit tertentu mungkin saja, tapi tidak ada referensinya. Yang paling banyak referensinya adalah gerakan-gerakan olah raga (bukan sex) seperti tai Chi dan gerakan hewan yang diajarkan oleh Hua Tuo.

Kehidupan tanpa kematian juga tidak ada, yang ada cara memperpanjang umur misalnya dari makanan, pengolahan energi chi dsb.

setau aye mantak chia pernah nulis di bukunya deh :whistle:
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #33 on: 24 March 2011, 08:47:29 PM »
fang-chung-shu: “bedroom arts” of Taoist sexual techniques wherein a man and woman “join energies” (ho-ch’i) and, by exchanging yin and yang force, increase and harmonize their life-force; the male refrains from ejaculation, and ch’i energy is sublimated to regenerate visceral organs and brain. Collective sexual orgies, as well as private practice of the bedroom arts, have gone on since the Han Dynasty, practiced by the Taoist schools Way of Supreme Peace and Five-Pecks-of-Rice Taoism, continuing until the Sung dynasty. The highest form of this practice involves huan-ching, returning the sexual essence to intermingle with breath and body and with the brain (pu-nao). Note that huan-ching pu-nao can be practiced by solitary celibates; when the genital organs are aroused simply through healthy circulation and an energized bodymind, any sexual energy can be transmuted into ch’i, thence into shen, and energy raised from the lower tan-t’ien to the higher ones. Actual physical intercourse between male and female partners is eschewed by the monastic forms of Taoism, such as Ch’üan-chen Taoism, and the higher grades of Cheng-i Taoism.
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #34 on: 24 March 2011, 08:59:17 PM »
setau aye mantak chia pernah nulis di bukunya deh :whistle:

Kitab suci Tao tidak pernah ada istilah atau membahas hubungan intim dan segala caranya. Tetapi ada mengenai kesehatan secara umum. Yang diajarkan Mantak Chia adalah mengenai sex yang berhubungan dengan kesehatan sehingga itu improvisasi dia dan Mantak Chia juga belajar yoga,kundalini , tao dan Agama buddha sehingga terlihat ada campuran ide dan falsafah. Mengenai sering2 melakukan sex menambah chi , jelas itu tidak benar dalam kultivasi chi. Ada kemungkinan salah persepsi dari pelaku. Ketika kita melatih chi kung, energi terkumpul di tantien memang ada efek gairah sex meningkat tetapi itu harus dikendalikan atau ditenangkan bukan dialirkan nafsunya... jadi efek samping itulah yang dikendalikan nah setelah balance baru di alirkan ada istilah tatung ren tumek. nah energi chi yang sudah jadi bisa dialirkan untuk kesehatan. Kalau sex sering2 meningkatkan chi secara tidak sesuai dengan teori dan praktek. Jadi urusan sex menggunakan kata Tao hanya marketing saja seperti Tantra sex dikaitkan dengan ajaran Buddha.

Kalau hugh heffner uda tua gitu keknya pasti pake obat kuat deh =))

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Di Taoism juga ada banyak aliran . Ada yang seperti LSY jiplak ajaran Buddha  ^-^

lepasnya sperma dan bertemu dengan sel telur memang dikatakan energi chi bersifat yin dan yang bertemu sehingga membentuk kehidupan baru atau bayi. Tetapi ini disebut pelepasan bukan meningkatkan energi chi.
Kalau urusan chi paling bagus baca tentang Cang Sang Feng , dia terahli dibidang energi Chi termasuk Tai Chi.
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #35 on: 24 March 2011, 09:54:41 PM »
gw makin curiga sama TS...
wakakaka


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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #36 on: 24 March 2011, 10:07:41 PM »
gw makin curiga sama TS...
wakakaka


peace kang ryu...
ngke ditraktir sangu koneng+hayam..
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iraha atuh, aya babaturan muka anyar di suryani, rek kaditu moal? ngarana APE ;D
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #37 on: 24 March 2011, 10:13:48 PM »
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Di Taoism juga ada banyak aliran . Ada yang seperti LSY jiplak ajaran Buddha  ^-^

lepasnya sperma dan bertemu dengan sel telur memang dikatakan energi chi bersifat yin dan yang bertemu sehingga membentuk kehidupan baru atau bayi. Tetapi ini disebut pelepasan bukan meningkatkan energi chi.
Kalau urusan chi paling bagus baca tentang Cang Sang Feng , dia terahli dibidang energi Chi termasuk Tai Chi.
kalau yang ini bijimana :

http://www.bigeye.com/sexeducation/ancientchina.html

Chou Dynasty - 770 BC to 222 BC

The Chou dynasty had a Taoist doctrine although Taoism itself was not a formal religion yet. They dividmen and women into the yin and the yang. Women were said to have an unexhaustable supply of yin While men had a limited supply of yang.  It was forbidden for men to use up their yang essence without acquiring plenty of yin essence. That meant before a man was allowed to ejaculate, he had to prolong it, making a woman orgasm several times to acquire her yin essence. If a man ejaculated or used up his yang essence without taking any yin essence it was said to cause him health problems and even death.

Masturbation by men was seen as unhealthy and forbidden, for it was said to cause a complete loss of his vital yang essence. Women could masturbate freely as they were said to have an unlimited yin. Medical texts only warned women against masturbation with foreign objects which were believed to injure the womb and internal sexual organs. Nocturnal emissions or 'wet dreams' that men had were seen as a health problem for men.

During this time, female homosexuality was widespread, but male homosexuality was rare. Male homosexuality was forbidden because it was considered a complete loss of yang essence on the part of both men. Meanwhile, since women were said to have an unlimited yin essence, there was no loss of yin in female homosexual relations. Not until the Han dynasty did male homosexuality figures reach the same standard as among other societies.

At first, prostitution was accepted by the Chinese. Men thought that they could gain more yin from prostitutes than from normal women. They believed that since such women had sex with so many men, that they had acquired more yang essence from them, thus, they could give a patron more yang essence than he had lost. However, Chinese medicine began to identify prostitutes with many diseases at an early stage in human history and they began warning men against them.

Jelas bahwa dikatakan disini pria harus menang berkali-kali dari wanita baru boleh ejakulasi.
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #38 on: 24 March 2011, 10:43:52 PM »
iraha atuh, aya babaturan muka anyar di suryani, rek kaditu moal? ngarana APE ;D
naon? sangu atawa naon?
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #39 on: 25 March 2011, 08:43:08 AM »
kalau yang ini bijimana :

http://www.bigeye.com/sexeducation/ancientchina.html

Chou Dynasty - 770 BC to 222 BC

The Chou dynasty had a Taoist doctrine although Taoism itself was not a formal religion yet. They dividmen and women into the yin and the yang. Women were said to have an unexhaustable supply of yin While men had a limited supply of yang.  It was forbidden for men to use up their yang essence without acquiring plenty of yin essence. That meant before a man was allowed to ejaculate, he had to prolong it, making a woman orgasm several times to acquire her yin essence. If a man ejaculated or used up his yang essence without taking any yin essence it was said to cause him health problems and even death.

Masturbation by men was seen as unhealthy and forbidden, for it was said to cause a complete loss of his vital yang essence. Women could masturbate freely as they were said to have an unlimited yin. Medical texts only warned women against masturbation with foreign objects which were believed to injure the womb and internal sexual organs. Nocturnal emissions or 'wet dreams' that men had were seen as a health problem for men.

During this time, female homosexuality was widespread, but male homosexuality was rare. Male homosexuality was forbidden because it was considered a complete loss of yang essence on the part of both men. Meanwhile, since women were said to have an unlimited yin essence, there was no loss of yin in female homosexual relations. Not until the Han dynasty did male homosexuality figures reach the same standard as among other societies.

At first, prostitution was accepted by the Chinese. Men thought that they could gain more yin from prostitutes than from normal women. They believed that since such women had sex with so many men, that they had acquired more yang essence from them, thus, they could give a patron more yang essence than he had lost. However, Chinese medicine began to identify prostitutes with many diseases at an early stage in human history and they began warning men against them.

Jelas bahwa dikatakan disini pria harus menang berkali-kali dari wanita baru boleh ejakulasi.

Entah ini sejarah atau bukan, sayang tidak disertakan referensi kitab  cuma dikatakan taoist. Bahkan Tao dari aliran mana juga tidak disebutkan. Kalau mengenai yin yang cowok dan cewek memang ada pengetahuannya lebih kepada pengetahuan keseimbangan kesehatan/pengobatan. Kalau sampai gaya esek-esek keknya cuma kreasi orang yang suka ngesex di tantara sex  :)). Pendapat saya judul Taoist Sex baru muncul belakangan ini saja dan kemungkinan dari Tantra sex  . Kalau bebrbicara Tao lebih baik dirunut dari Lao Tze. Walaupun ada Taoist sebelum Lao Tze tetapi pengkonsepan dalam bentuk Tao tek Cing dimulai dari beliau kemudian tokoh2 legendaris setelah Lao Tze . Dan pada masa ajaran TAo awal mereka lebih menganjurkan untuk celibat.
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #40 on: 25 March 2011, 08:54:08 AM »
Entah ini sejarah atau bukan, sayang tidak disertakan referensi kitab  cuma dikatakan taoist. Bahkan Tao dari aliran mana juga tidak disebutkan. Kalau mengenai yin yang cowok dan cewek memang ada pengetahuannya lebih kepada pengetahuan keseimbangan kesehatan/pengobatan. Kalau sampai gaya esek-esek keknya cuma kreasi orang yang suka ngesex di tantara sex  :)). Pendapat saya judul Taoist Sex baru muncul belakangan ini saja dan kemungkinan dari Tantra sex  . Kalau bebrbicara Tao lebih baik dirunut dari Lao Tze. Walaupun ada Taoist sebelum Lao Tze tetapi pengkonsepan dalam bentuk Tao tek Cing dimulai dari beliau kemudian tokoh2 legendaris setelah Lao Tze . Dan pada masa ajaran TAo awal mereka lebih menganjurkan untuk celibat.
berarti yang tantra yah yang doyan ngesex?
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #41 on: 25 March 2011, 08:57:18 AM »
berarti yang tantra yah yang doyan ngesex?

=)) silakan dijawab sendiri.
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #42 on: 25 March 2011, 09:05:13 AM »
=)) silakan dijawab sendiri.
The Chou dynasty had a Taoist doctrine although Taoism itself was not a formal religion yet.

sepertinya harus di cari nih sumber nya
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #43 on: 25 March 2011, 04:02:24 PM »
Sex first proposed as aid to immortality
As early as the Eastern Han Dynasty (A.D. 25-220), a school of Taoists created the Yin Taoism which proposed a theoretical basis for immortality through sex. The theory and practice were seized upon by the emperors as the key to longevity, if not immortality. One of the Taoist manuals asserted that the Yellow Emperor became immortal after having had sexual relations with 1200 women and that Peng Tsu, through the "correct way of making love in ten to twenty girls every single night', was able to live to a good old age. Peng Tsu thought it a fine idea to have intercourse with virgins - "He ought to make love to virgins and this will restore his youthful looks. What a pity there are not many virgins available... My late master observed these principles strictly. He lived to 3000 years of age... one cannot achieve one's aim by using one female. One will have to make love to three, nine, or eleven women each night, the more the better."


Later Han Dynasty - 25 AD to 220 AD

With the Han Dynasty came the return of Taoist doctrines, only by this point in time, Taoism was now an
organized religion with its own church and priests. New sexual texts began to surface such as "The Handbook
of the Plain Girl and The Art of the Bedchamber". Both texts referred to a Yellow Emperor, who was attempting
to live a long, healthy life and obtain a form of immortality through sex. Emphasis was placed on breathing
techniques during sex to prolong a man's orgasm to make a woman orgasm several times to gain her yin essence.

New metaphors and symbolicism evolved in literature to show men and women and their sexuality. The color red
was female, a crucible, the ova, her cinnabar (vulva). The color white became symbolic of men and their semen.
The White Tiger was symbolic of men and the Green Dragon was symbolic of women.


tantrayanis mana nih, bisa ikut join gak di sini?
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Re: tantra sex nyontek dari taoist sex?
« Reply #44 on: 29 March 2011, 10:10:25 AM »
hiks sepi bener :(

buat tambah2 pelajaran buat yang udah nikah :D

http://womenshealth.about.com/od/sexualhealthissues/a/taoismsexuality_2.htm

"As you become adept at sensing and moving your chi, you will also be able to move your sexual energy, or jing chi, in the same pathway. The ability to expand and move your sexual energy is what allows you to increase your pleasure and intensify your orgasms, no matter what your current level of sexual experience is. It also allows you to transform your sexual energy into chi, or life force, which will give you a great deal more energy out of the bedroom as you live your life in the world. And when your chi is strong and your intention is clear, your chi is transformed into spiritual energy, or shen"

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