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Re: Merespon Pertanyaan Rekan-rekan
« Reply #1440 on: 10 April 2013, 09:28:58 AM »
 [at] KK: Seingat saya tdk ada ahli yg menyatakan Madhyamaka itu turunan dr Mahasanghika ;D

 [at] Indra: Bisa juga spt itu, tetapi kalo matika itu termasuk ringkasan Dhamma bukan Abhidhamma maka tdk perlu menyebutkan matikadhara sbg tersendiri/berbeda dari Dhammadhara krn matikadhara  termasuk Dhammadhara juga...

Btw diskusinya menarik, kenapa tdk dijadikan thread baru ttg pembahasan Buddhisme awal saja? :)
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Re: Merespon Pertanyaan Rekan-rekan
« Reply #1441 on: 10 April 2013, 09:34:28 AM »
[at] Indra: Bisa juga spt itu, tetapi kalo matika itu termasuk ringkasan Dhamma bukan Abhidhamma maka tdk perlu menyebutkan matikadhara sbg tersendiri/berbeda dari Dhammadhara krn matikadhara  termasuk Dhammadhara juga...


karena dalam AN di atas, sudah dibedakan ada 2 jenis pengajaran. perbedaan itu mungkin untuk membedakan ahli dalam pengajaran secara terperinci dan ahli dalam pengajaran secara ringkas

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Re: Merespon Pertanyaan Rekan-rekan
« Reply #1442 on: 10 April 2013, 09:43:48 AM »
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1. In the only canonical account of the first Buddhist council (Vinaya Cullavagga Ch.12 it is stated that the venerable Upāli recited Vinaya, then the venerable Ānanda recited the five nikāyas (i.e., the Suttantas), after which the council was brought to a close. Abhidhamma is mentioned not at all in the entire account (nor is it mentioned in the canonical account of the second council). The general consensus of Western scholars is that the traditional account of the first council is largely fiction; nevertheless, it does indicate that at the occasion of its composition (presumably some time before the third council) Abhidhamma philosophy was either unknown or considered to be unworthy of mention. Ven. Buddhaghosa in his commentary to the Dīgha Nikāya tried to rectify the omission by simply changing the details of the story, which is a rather unconvincing device. The standard Burmese explanation of the conspicuous absence of Abhidhamma in the oldest ecclesiastical histories is that it is included in the Khuddaka Nikāya of the Suttanta Pltaka, but this assertion receives no support from the ancient texts themselves. (The Burmese also consider Vinaya to be included in the Khuddaka Nikāya, thereby rendering the fifth Nikāya—“The Small Collection” or “Collection of the Small”—very much larger and more comprehensive than the entire remainder of the Canon and reducing the Buddhist scriptures to a single Piṭaka.)

2. The word “abhidhamma” is very seldom found in the Vinaya and Suttanta (according to one authority eleven times), and when it is found it is usually paired with the term “abhivinaya.” Since there is and never was an Abhivinaya Piṭaka the context implies that “abhidhamma” here means simply “about Dhamma,” not “higher Dhamma.” In the very few cases where the term clearly refers to the philosophy of the Abhidhamma Piṭaka it is found in relatively very late canonical exegesis of older texts—for example, the Vinaya Suttavibhaṅga and the Mahāniddesa.

3. Very many of the terms which play integral, central roles in Abhidhamma philosophy (cetasika, citta-vīthi, bhavaṅga, javana, kiriya-citta, rūpakalāpa, etc. etc.) are either entirely lacking in the Sutlanta or are found there rarely and in a radically different context. The elaborate doctrine of citta-vīthi, for example, which is essential to traditional abhidhammic psychology and is taught in even the most elementary of Abhidhamma courses, is entirely foreign to the first two Piṭakas (and, curiously, is mentioned only briefly and obscurely in the third). Abhidhamma philosophy is claimed by orthodox authorities to be the most profound and important part ofthe teachings ofthe Buddha; but there is not a single narrative episode in the Canon, believable or otherwise, which clearly indicates that he ever taught it to anyone; and furthermore, much of the supposed “highest teachings of Buddha” (e.g., the theory of rūpakalāpas) is non-canonical—not even to be found in the Abhidhamma Piṭaka itself.

4. Kathāvatthu, the fifth book of the Abhidhamma Piṭaka, deals exclusively with dogmatic controversies with schismatic sects of Buddhism that existed around the time of the third council (i.e., the mid-third century B.C.). Also, it is believed that the compiler of the work was a bhikkhu named Moggaliputtatissa, who according to ven. Buddhaghosa presided over the third council. Some fundamentalism claim that the Buddha, foreseeing the doctrinal disputes and schism: that would arise after his death, laid down the general outline of the Kathāvatthu, and more than two centuries later ven. Moggalīputtatissa merely elaborated upon it. Although this cannot be categorically disproved it is, needless to say, rather unlikely. (Incidentally, considering that one of the main purposes of the third council was to purge the Saṅgha of heretics and champion what one faction, presumably led by ven. Moggalīputtatissa, believed to be Right View, it may be assumed that the Canon was edited and infused with new material favoring the views of the prevailing faction.)

5. Among the many ancient schools of Buddhism there were at least two versions of the Abhidhamma or Abhidharma Piṭaka, one being of the Theravadins, another being of the Sarvastivadins. Both of these versions consist of seven books, but this is almost their only resemblance, and they obviously are not based upon a common precursor. Other sects possessed of an Abhidharma Piṭaka, including the Mahayanists, tended to modify or borrow outright the version of the Sarvastivadins; but many schools, particularly thou which diverged from the Theravada/Sarvastivada lineage prior to around the beginning of the third century B.C., had none. Now it would be absurd to suggest that all of the ancient schools of Buddhism that broke away from the Theravadin line were so foolish as to throw out an entire Piṭaka, which many Theravadins claim is the most profound and most important of the three, that the Sarvastivadins subsequently concocted another one from scratch, and that some of the other schools then adopted the counterfeit in place of the original. lt would be much more reasonable to assume that there simply was no Abhidhamma Piṭaka in the earliest days of Buddhism, the trend for composing such abstract, technical philosophy beginning in the Theravada/Sarvastivada lineage shortly before the occurrence of the schism that divided them. This one point is sufficient to convince most Buddhistic scholars in the West that Abhidhamma philosophy was never taught by the Buddha.

6. Regardless of the age and authorship of Abhidhamma there remains the serious fact that many of its tenets are in bald contradiction to quite elementary and uncontroversial observations of science. Although hundreds of examples of abhidhammic nonscience and illogic could be given, for the sake of brevity only two of the more outstanding cases will be discussed.

a) It is readily apparent that the authors of Abhidhamma philosophy were completely ignorant of the function, even the existence, of the human nervous system. Sensory consciousness is claimed to occur in the sense organs themselves, not in the brain; for example, visual consciousness supposedly arises in seven layers of (elemental and ultimately real) visually sensitive matter located on the anterior surface of the eyeball. Rather than relying upon the presence of sensory nerve endings, the material basis of tactile sensation (also one of the 82 “ultimate realities”) is said to uniformly pervade the body like oil soaking a tuft of cotton wool, being everywhere except in hair, nails, and hard, dry skin. The Pali word “matthaluṅga,” i.e., “brain,” is conspicuously absent in the canonical Abhidhamma texts (while in the commentarial literature the brain is declared to be a large lump of inert bone marrow and the source of nasal mucus); according to the Abhidhamma scholars, thought arises not in the brain but in a small quantity of variously colored blood contained in a chamber of the heart. This belief is closely interrelated with the fundamental concept that all mentality is strictly linear, only one specific image at a time existing in the mind, arising and passing away spontaneously through the metaphysical power of kamma. The generally prevalent and empirically consistent concept of a complex, physical generator of feeling and thought is quite foreign to Abhidhamma, and modern attempts to reconcile the two result in what is essentially doublethink.

b) The classical abhidhammic theory of matter primarily deals with 28 supposed elemental qualities which are never found alone, but are always combined in or associated with quasi-atomic particles called “rūpakalāpas.” The naïve realism underlying this philosophy is manifest, and furthermore has been scientifically obsolete for centuries. As an example the four (“ultimately real”) secondary material qualities supposedly present in all rūpakalāpas—color, odor, flavor, and nutritional essence—will be very briefly considered. The formulators of the theory evidently did not perceive that color, as such, exists only in the mind and is merely a symbolic interpretation of a certain bandwidth of electromagnetic radiation; and that furthermore the hypothetical rūpakalāpa is much smaller than the smallest wavelength of visible light. An individual rūpakalāpa, unless, perhaps, it could somehow be identified with a photon, could be endowed with color only potentially and even then in a very abstract sense. The formulators also evidently did not perceive that odor and flavor exist only in the mind, and are the result of molecules and ions of certain configurations interacting with specific neurosensory receptor sites. And the formulators quite obviously did not perceive the vast complexity of human nutrition. A hydrogen atom, for example, if contained in a molecule of sucrose is endowed with a certain nutritional value; if in a molecule of ascorbic acid, another; if in a molecule of cholesterol, yet another; if in a molecule of cellulose, is non-nutritive; and if in a molecule of cyanide, is poisonous. In the case of nutrition, even more markedly than in the preceding cases, the configuration and interaction of complex groups of elementary particles is of primary importance in determining the attributes in question. Just as a single nail does not contain within it the absolute element of “houseness,” even so a single subnuclear quantum of matter does not contain within it odor, flavor, or nutritional value. And finally, although rūpakalāpas are declared by the authorities to be ubiquitous and of appreciable size by modern scientific standards (roughly the size of an electron according to one authority), no physicist or chemist in a normal, waking state of consciousness has ever experimentally isolated or otherwise verified the existence of one.
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Re: Merespon Pertanyaan Rekan-rekan
« Reply #1443 on: 10 April 2013, 09:55:40 AM »
tambahan lagi, apa yg dipelajari sekarang sebagai abhidhamma itu sendiri dalam bentuk kursus abhidhamma atau abhidhamma class, itu bukan berdasarkan abhidhamma, akan tetapi berdasarkan komentarialnya, yah salah satunya abhidhammathasangaha, yg konon merupakan perasan dan rangkuman dari si abhidhamma itu sendiri dan tidak pernah sendiri bahkan melihat atau mempelajari si abhidhamma, apalagi kedalam nikaya-nya, meskipun kadang mengutip2 dari sutta yg terkenal
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Re: Merespon Pertanyaan Rekan-rekan
« Reply #1444 on: 10 April 2013, 09:56:30 AM »
Ada suatu petunjuk dalam sutta bahwa Abhidhamma setidaknya sudah ada cikal bakalnya pada masa Sang Buddha sendiri, misalnya AN 4: 180 Mahāpadesasuttaṃ (Rujukan Agung) ditemukan pernyataan tentang ahli matika/matikadhara (diterjemahkan om Indra sbg "ahli kerangka"):

(3) “Kemudian seorang bhikkhu mungkin mengatakan: ‘Di kediaman Saṅgha di sana menetap beberapa bhikkhu sepuh yang terpelajar, mewarisi warisan, ahli Dhamma, ahli disiplin, ahli dalam kerangka [dhammadharā vinayadharā mātikādharā].

Dlm istilah Abhidhamma, matika (ada yg menerjemahkan sbg matriks) menunjuk pada ringkasan pengelompokan dhamma (fenomena) spt yg terdpt dlm Dhammasangani. Ada yg menduga matikadhara dlm sutta menunjuk pada para bhikkhu yang mengajarkan ringkasan2 ini yg kelak menjadi cikal-bakal Abhidhamma yg lbh kompleks.
Sayang sekali memang matikadhara dan abhivinaya tidak pernah ada disinggung penjelasannya, sehingga jadi spekulasi terbuka, seperti ending film horror-thriller.

Tapi kalau "Abhidhamma", kebetulan 'kan sudah ada petunjuknya.

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Re: Merespon Pertanyaan Rekan-rekan
« Reply #1445 on: 10 April 2013, 10:03:18 AM »
[at] KK: Seingat saya tdk ada ahli yg menyatakan Madhyamaka itu turunan dr Mahasanghika ;D
Ya, mungkin saja saya salah. Tapi seperti saya katakan, hanya mahasanghika yang tidak menggunakan abhidharma sebagai otoritas dan Madhyamaka juga sama, menolak otoritas abhidharma. Maka saya pikir ada kesamaan di sana.


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[at] Indra: Bisa juga spt itu, tetapi kalo matika itu termasuk ringkasan Dhamma bukan Abhidhamma maka tdk perlu menyebutkan matikadhara sbg tersendiri/berbeda dari Dhammadhara krn matikadhara  termasuk Dhammadhara juga...
Jika dhammadhara -> pelestari sutta
vinayadhara -> pelestari vinaya
matikadhara -> pelestari abhidhamma
??? -> pelestari abhivinaya


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Btw diskusinya menarik, kenapa tdk dijadikan thread baru ttg pembahasan Buddhisme awal saja? :)
Mungkin jika informasi sudah dikumpulkan secara sistematis dan mudah dibaca, saya akan bikin thread baru. Sementara kita obrolkan secara bebas dulu saja. Tapi kalo bro ariyakumara mo bikin dari sudut pandangnya, juga tentu OK saja.

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Re: Merespon Pertanyaan Rekan-rekan
« Reply #1446 on: 10 April 2013, 10:15:45 AM »
untuk meramaikan, berikut pendapat bhikkhu pannobhasa:
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1. In the only canonical account of the first Buddhist council (Vinaya Cullavagga Ch.12 it is stated that the venerable Upāli recited Vinaya, then the venerable Ānanda recited the five nikāyas (i.e., the Suttantas), after which the council was brought to a close. Abhidhamma is mentioned not at all in the entire account (nor is it mentioned in the canonical account of the second council). The general consensus of Western scholars is that the traditional account of the first council is largely fiction; nevertheless, it does indicate that at the occasion of its composition (presumably some time before the third council) Abhidhamma philosophy was either unknown or considered to be unworthy of mention. Ven. Buddhaghosa in his commentary to the Dīgha Nikāya tried to rectify the omission by simply changing the details of the story, which is a rather unconvincing device. The standard Burmese explanation of the conspicuous absence of Abhidhamma in the oldest ecclesiastical histories is that it is included in the Khuddaka Nikāya of the Suttanta Pltaka, but this assertion receives no support from the ancient texts themselves. (The Burmese also consider Vinaya to be included in the Khuddaka Nikāya, thereby rendering the fifth Nikāya—“The Small Collection” or “Collection of the Small”—very much larger and more comprehensive than the entire remainder of the Canon and reducing the Buddhist scriptures to a single Piṭaka.)

2. The word “abhidhamma” is very seldom found in the Vinaya and Suttanta (according to one authority eleven times), and when it is found it is usually paired with the term “abhivinaya.” Since there is and never was an Abhivinaya Piṭaka the context implies that “abhidhamma” here means simply “about Dhamma,” not “higher Dhamma.” In the very few cases where the term clearly refers to the philosophy of the Abhidhamma Piṭaka it is found in relatively very late canonical exegesis of older texts—for example, the Vinaya Suttavibhaṅga and the Mahāniddesa.

3. Very many of the terms which play integral, central roles in Abhidhamma philosophy (cetasika, citta-vīthi, bhavaṅga, javana, kiriya-citta, rūpakalāpa, etc. etc.) are either entirely lacking in the Sutlanta or are found there rarely and in a radically different context. The elaborate doctrine of citta-vīthi, for example, which is essential to traditional abhidhammic psychology and is taught in even the most elementary of Abhidhamma courses, is entirely foreign to the first two Piṭakas (and, curiously, is mentioned only briefly and obscurely in the third). Abhidhamma philosophy is claimed by orthodox authorities to be the most profound and important part ofthe teachings ofthe Buddha; but there is not a single narrative episode in the Canon, believable or otherwise, which clearly indicates that he ever taught it to anyone; and furthermore, much of the supposed “highest teachings of Buddha” (e.g., the theory of rūpakalāpas) is non-canonical—not even to be found in the Abhidhamma Piṭaka itself.

4. Kathāvatthu, the fifth book of the Abhidhamma Piṭaka, deals exclusively with dogmatic controversies with schismatic sects of Buddhism that existed around the time of the third council (i.e., the mid-third century B.C.). Also, it is believed that the compiler of the work was a bhikkhu named Moggaliputtatissa, who according to ven. Buddhaghosa presided over the third council. Some fundamentalism claim that the Buddha, foreseeing the doctrinal disputes and schism: that would arise after his death, laid down the general outline of the Kathāvatthu, and more than two centuries later ven. Moggalīputtatissa merely elaborated upon it. Although this cannot be categorically disproved it is, needless to say, rather unlikely. (Incidentally, considering that one of the main purposes of the third council was to purge the Saṅgha of heretics and champion what one faction, presumably led by ven. Moggalīputtatissa, believed to be Right View, it may be assumed that the Canon was edited and infused with new material favoring the views of the prevailing faction.)

5. Among the many ancient schools of Buddhism there were at least two versions of the Abhidhamma or Abhidharma Piṭaka, one being of the Theravadins, another being of the Sarvastivadins. Both of these versions consist of seven books, but this is almost their only resemblance, and they obviously are not based upon a common precursor. Other sects possessed of an Abhidharma Piṭaka, including the Mahayanists, tended to modify or borrow outright the version of the Sarvastivadins; but many schools, particularly thou which diverged from the Theravada/Sarvastivada lineage prior to around the beginning of the third century B.C., had none. Now it would be absurd to suggest that all of the ancient schools of Buddhism that broke away from the Theravadin line were so foolish as to throw out an entire Piṭaka, which many Theravadins claim is the most profound and most important of the three, that the Sarvastivadins subsequently concocted another one from scratch, and that some of the other schools then adopted the counterfeit in place of the original. lt would be much more reasonable to assume that there simply was no Abhidhamma Piṭaka in the earliest days of Buddhism, the trend for composing such abstract, technical philosophy beginning in the Theravada/Sarvastivada lineage shortly before the occurrence of the schism that divided them. This one point is sufficient to convince most Buddhistic scholars in the West that Abhidhamma philosophy was never taught by the Buddha.

6. Regardless of the age and authorship of Abhidhamma there remains the serious fact that many of its tenets are in bald contradiction to quite elementary and uncontroversial observations of science. Although hundreds of examples of abhidhammic nonscience and illogic could be given, for the sake of brevity only two of the more outstanding cases will be discussed.

a) It is readily apparent that the authors of Abhidhamma philosophy were completely ignorant of the function, even the existence, of the human nervous system. Sensory consciousness is claimed to occur in the sense organs themselves, not in the brain; for example, visual consciousness supposedly arises in seven layers of (elemental and ultimately real) visually sensitive matter located on the anterior surface of the eyeball. Rather than relying upon the presence of sensory nerve endings, the material basis of tactile sensation (also one of the 82 “ultimate realities”) is said to uniformly pervade the body like oil soaking a tuft of cotton wool, being everywhere except in hair, nails, and hard, dry skin. The Pali word “matthaluṅga,” i.e., “brain,” is conspicuously absent in the canonical Abhidhamma texts (while in the commentarial literature the brain is declared to be a large lump of inert bone marrow and the source of nasal mucus); according to the Abhidhamma scholars, thought arises not in the brain but in a small quantity of variously colored blood contained in a chamber of the heart. This belief is closely interrelated with the fundamental concept that all mentality is strictly linear, only one specific image at a time existing in the mind, arising and passing away spontaneously through the metaphysical power of kamma. The generally prevalent and empirically consistent concept of a complex, physical generator of feeling and thought is quite foreign to Abhidhamma, and modern attempts to reconcile the two result in what is essentially doublethink.

b) The classical abhidhammic theory of matter primarily deals with 28 supposed elemental qualities which are never found alone, but are always combined in or associated with quasi-atomic particles called “rūpakalāpas.” The naïve realism underlying this philosophy is manifest, and furthermore has been scientifically obsolete for centuries. As an example the four (“ultimately real”) secondary material qualities supposedly present in all rūpakalāpas—color, odor, flavor, and nutritional essence—will be very briefly considered. The formulators of the theory evidently did not perceive that color, as such, exists only in the mind and is merely a symbolic interpretation of a certain bandwidth of electromagnetic radiation; and that furthermore the hypothetical rūpakalāpa is much smaller than the smallest wavelength of visible light. An individual rūpakalāpa, unless, perhaps, it could somehow be identified with a photon, could be endowed with color only potentially and even then in a very abstract sense. The formulators also evidently did not perceive that odor and flavor exist only in the mind, and are the result of molecules and ions of certain configurations interacting with specific neurosensory receptor sites. And the formulators quite obviously did not perceive the vast complexity of human nutrition. A hydrogen atom, for example, if contained in a molecule of sucrose is endowed with a certain nutritional value; if in a molecule of ascorbic acid, another; if in a molecule of cholesterol, yet another; if in a molecule of cellulose, is non-nutritive; and if in a molecule of cyanide, is poisonous. In the case of nutrition, even more markedly than in the preceding cases, the configuration and interaction of complex groups of elementary particles is of primary importance in determining the attributes in question. Just as a single nail does not contain within it the absolute element of “houseness,” even so a single subnuclear quantum of matter does not contain within it odor, flavor, or nutritional value. And finally, although rūpakalāpas are declared by the authorities to be ubiquitous and of appreciable size by modern scientific standards (roughly the size of an electron according to one authority), no physicist or chemist in a normal, waking state of consciousness has ever experimentally isolated or otherwise verified the existence of one.

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2. The word “abhidhamma” is very seldom found in the Vinaya and Suttanta (according to one authority eleven times), and when it is found it is usually paired with the term “abhivinaya.” Since there is and never was an Abhivinaya Piṭaka the context implies that “abhidhamma” here means simply “about Dhamma,” not “higher Dhamma.” In the very few cases where the term clearly refers to the philosophy of the Abhidhamma Piṭaka it is found in relatively very late canonical exegesis of older texts—for example, the Vinaya Suttavibhaṅga and the Mahāniddesa.

sama seperti yang saya bahas kemarin:

[Catatan numpang lewat]

"... cattāro satipaṭṭhānā cattāro sammappadhānā cattāro iddhipādā pañcindriyāni pañca balāni satta bojjhaṅgā
ariyo aṭṭhaṅgiko maggo, tattha sabbeheva samaggehi sammodamānehi avivadamānehi sikkhitabbaṃ.
Tesañca vo, bhikkhave, samaggānaṃ sammodamānānaṃ avivadamānānaṃ sikkhataṃ siyaṃsu dve bhikkhū abhidhamme nānāvādā... "

Dari kutipan Kinti Sutta ini, 37 hal ini dan penjelasannya yang disebut "Abhidhamma", sebab merupakan jalan menuju pencerahan.

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4 Landasan Perhatian, 4 Usaha Benar, 4 kekuatan batin, 5 indriya, 5 kekuatan, dan 7 Faktor Pencerahan, Jalan Mulia Berunsur 8.



Di AN, istilah 'Abhidhamma' selain perbincangan Mahakotthita tentang Abhidhamma (yang tidak dijelaskan apa isinya), istilah ini selalu berpasangan dengan "Abhivinaya". Kalau Abhidhamma diajarkan di Tavatimsa, kira-kira Abhivinaya diajarkan di alam mana yah?


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Re: Merespon Pertanyaan Rekan-rekan
« Reply #1447 on: 10 April 2013, 10:43:15 AM »
Ikut meramaikan  :whistle:

082 - The Buddha's Teaching of Abhidhamma 
Origin of Abhidhamma


According to the Theravada tradition the Buddha dwelt in the celestial domain of the thirty-three divine beings (Tavatimsa-loka) to teach the doctrine of Abhidhamma to his mother for three months. Then he descended to the lake Anottata; where he instructed the same to his most illustrious disciple Sariputta in the form of mnemonic verses, who in turn taught it to the five hundred distinguished monks acknowledged as the arahatas. Thus Abhidhamma by way of the oral tradition of transmission (through acharya-disciple tradition) beginning with the Buddha was passed on to Sariputta and in the like manner through Bhaddaji, Sobhita, Piyajali, Piyapala, Piyadassi, Kosiyaputta, Siggava, Sandeha, Moggalliputta, Sudatta, Dhammiya, Dasaka, Sonaka and Revata; and then through Mahinda, Ittiya, Sambala, Pandita, and Bhaddanama it reached Sri Lanka. Interestingly, this tradition is still alive in Sri Lanka, Myanmar, and Thailand; though withered away in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Cambodia.

Meaning of Abhidhamma

Etymologically, Abhidhamma may be analysed as the compound of abhi (“to”; “toward”; “into”) and dhamma (root: dhr, which means “to hold” or “bear”). However, in the context it is interpreted as “ leading-to-that-which-contains-the-advanced or specialised-teachings” [of-the-Buddha]” when we examine the observations of the best known Pali commentator Buddhaghosa. The expert critic interprets the term ‘Abhidhamma’ as the most advanced (atireka) or specialised (visesa) doctrine[1] to differentiate it from the doctrine of the Sutta-Pitaka, which is not so analytical[2]; and which employs the common and conventional terms and approach. It is noteworthy that every term of Abhidhamma has a specific connotation or well-defined meaning for the advanced monks or trainees.

The above interpretation of Abhidhamma is further corroborated by the definition of ‘Abhidharma’ made by Vasubandhu in his Sanskrit treatise - the Abhidharmakosa. There he states that  “Abhidharma is the undefiled wisdom and its concomitants. Further, whatever is instrumental to achieve that; or the corpus [which is an aid to that]” is Abhidharma.[3] Asanga’s interpretation of Abhidharma also extends to the understanding of the above meaning. Prefixing abhi in four ways with the dhamma, he interprets that

    The dhamma which is Nibbana-encountering;

    The dhamma which is analytical;

    The dhamma which is refutative of the converse views ;

    The dhamma which is progressive.[4]

The term Abhidharma (a-p’i-ta-mo) in the Chinese records interpret it as ta fa (great dhamma because of the greatness of the knowledge to the realisation of Four Noble Truths etc.); wu-pi-fa (peerless dhamma because of the eight forms of intelligence etc); sheng-fa (excellent dhamma as it is wisdom-realising); tuei-fa (facing dhamma) and hsiang-fa (proceeding dhamma as the cause-effect theory that proceeds from cause to effect).

The modern scholars, namely, W.Geiger, T.W. and C.A.F.Rhys Davids, Oldenberg, I.B.Horner, E.J.Thomas, Kogen Mizuno, Ken Sakurabe, Taiken Kimura and Bhikkhu Jagdish Kashyap have made some serious studies to understand the meaning of this term. Yet, no modern linguistic interpretation of the term throws any fresh light to the comprehension of the original meaning of the term because the study of Abhidhamma is not a barren linguistic exercise. It may be reiterated that every term of Abhidhamma is assigned a definite connotation; and is often interpreted by way of its characteristic (lakkhana), function (rasa), manifestation (paccupatthana) and proximate cause (padatthan). So, the linguistic interpretation of the term has often been misleading; and its variant renditions create more complications to a reader rather than to extend his understanding. It is believed that Abhidhamma is a way of life; and is meant for the chosen few, particularly for the erudite monks or scholars with specialised training. It may be emphatically pointed out that the study demands no less seriousness than the study of  the Rg Veda or Quran. The scholars interested in Abhidhamma may also turn to the living Burmese (or Myanmari) traditions for its purest comprehension; or the volumes of the commentaries on the canonical Abhidhammic literature.

The Seven Books of Abhidhamma are

        Dhammasangani;

        Vibhanga;

        Dhatukatha;

        Puggalapannatti;

        Kathavatthu;

        Yamaka; and

        Patthana.

The Sarvastivadin tradition of Buddhism,[5] however, does not accept the above text as the original composition, because they have somewhat similar texts on the Vinaya Pitaka and Sutta Pitaka in juxtaposition with the Pali versions; but are missing in the case of the Abhidhamma. Yet, the Sarvastivadins have equal number of the Abhidharmic texts:

        Sangitipariyayapada;

        Dharmaskandha;

        Dhatukaya-patha;

        Prajnaptipada;

        Vijnanapada;

        Prakaranapada;

        Jnanaprasthana.

The Buddhist canons are classified into three; and the common and popular designation for each of these classifications is pitaka (literally, “basket”). These pitakas were first compiled in the first Buddhist council, which was held in Rajgir after the parininbbana (or the demise) of the Buddha (483 B.C). during the reign of Ajatasattu (Sanskritised Ajatasatru), the king of the Magadha janapada (or kingdom) . The first of these corpuses is called the Vinaya Pitaka; and the other two are called the Sutta-Pitaka and the Abhidhamma-Pitaka. The Vinaya Pitaka, deals with the Buddhist codes and conduct and may be regarded as the Corpus of the Discipline. It supposedly records the recitations made by the thera Upali in the council. The latter two pitakas, collectively called the ‘Dhamma’ (or the doctrine), are the collection of the recitations given by Ananda (the closest disciple of the Buddha) in the same council. The recitations of the aforementioned two monks, as a matter of fact, are the answers by way of the explanations and elucidations to the questions posed by the President of the council - Mahathera Mahakassapa.[6]

Many scholars believe that the Tipitaka was compiled in the third Buddhist council. But such claims are unfounded when we look at the Mahavamsa  (one of the most reliable sources of the Buddhist history; and a principal source for the construction of the history of ancient India) it is explicitly stated that even before the convention of the third Buddhist council (which took place in Pataliputta [Sanskritised: Pataliputra or modern Patna during the reign of the Emperor Asoka] one thousand erudite monks “well versed in the Tipitaka  …” (or the three canons)[7] were chosen for the re-compilation of the original and purest teachings of the Buddha to eliminate the interpolations crept therein in the original corpuses. The above statement corroborates to the fact that the Tipitaka definitely existed before the third Buddhist council, however, its form could have been somewhat different from what was compiled in the third council; or what is handed down to us by the tradition in its current form.

The Abhidhamma Pitaka, primarily deals with the philosophy and psychology of the Theravada school of Buddhism.  The “theravada”, however, refers to that school of Buddhism which, supposedly “adhere to the most original and purest form of the Buddhist teachings”, advocated by those theras (monks) who obtained the erudition directly through the Master. Further, they used the bhasa Magadhika or the mula bhasa (the original language)[8] to record the original text or the pariyaya, (the text of the canons). The term pariyaya, however, when abbreviated became ‘pari’ or ‘pali’; and in course of time was applied to denote the language of the entire gamut of the canons; and the exegeses and other compositions on those texts having the same language.
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Many scholars believe that the Tipitaka was compiled in the third Buddhist council. But such claims are unfounded when we look at the Mahavamsa  (one of the most reliable sources of the Buddhist history; and a principal source for the construction of the history of ancient India) it is explicitly stated that even before the convention of the third Buddhist council (which took place in Pataliputta [Sanskritised: Pataliputra or modern Patna during the reign of the Emperor Asoka] one thousand erudite monks “well versed in the Tipitaka  …” (or the three canons)[7] were chosen for the re-compilation of the original and purest teachings of the Buddha to eliminate the interpolations crept therein in the original corpuses. The above statement corroborates to the fact that the Tipitaka definitely existed before the third Buddhist council, however, its form could have been somewhat different from what was compiled in the third council; or what is handed down to us by the tradition in its current form.
pada dasarnya paragraf di atas sama dengan menyatakan bahwa bukti keberadaan lord voldermort adalah buku harry potter no 1- 7.
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pada dasarnya paragraf di atas sama dengan menyatakan bahwa bukti keberadaan lord voldermort adalah buku harry potter no 1- 7.

Yeah, dan beberapa sekte di Mahayana kemudian juga mengarang buku abhidharma twilight series.
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Yeah, dan beberapa sekte di Mahayana kemudian juga mengarang buku abhidharma twilight series.
penekanannya bukan pada dongengnya, tapi pada ketidaknetralan mahavamsa dipakai sebagai bukti / argumen keotentikan abhidhamma... kalau ingin membuktikan keotentikan abhidhamma pakailah bukti diluar sumber2 srilanka...
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« Reply #1451 on: 10 April 2013, 11:38:08 AM »
penekanannya bukan pada dongengnya, tapi pada ketidaknetralan mahavamsa dipakai sebagai bukti / argumen keotentikan abhidhamma... kalau ingin membuktikan keotentikan abhidhamma pakailah bukti diluar sumber2 srilanka...

Secara historis yang di Srilangka adalah ghost copy yang dibawa putra dan putri Raja Asoka dari India setelah Konsili ke-2.  Konsili ke-2 bersumber dari Konsili ke-1.

Kalau mau mencari bukti tentang ajaran dari mulut ke mulut sejak Konsili ke-1 sampai menjadi hasil seperti yg ke-3 ya tidak bisa, seperti yang sudah dibahas sama om Indra.  Mau cari bukti di luar Srilangka?  Sejarah mengatakan, sumber2nya tidak lengkap lagi, sebagian besar dan sebagian kecil sudah musnah.  Masa mau mencari 'yang ada' di suatu tempat, di tempat lain yang sudah tidak ada.
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Secara historis yang di Srilangka adalah ghost copy yang dibawa putra dan putri Raja Asoka dari India setelah Konsili ke-2.  Konsili ke-2 bersumber dari Konsili ke-1.

Kalau mau mencari bukti tentang ajaran dari mulut ke mulut sejak Konsili ke-1 sampai menjadi hasil seperti yg ke-3 ya tidak bisa, seperti yang sudah dibahas sama om Indra.  Mau cari bukti di luar Srilangka?  Sejarah mengatakan, sumber2nya tidak lengkap lagi, sebagian besar dan sebagian kecil sudah musnah.  Masa mau mencari 'yang ada' di suatu tempat, di tempat lain yang sudah tidak ada.
sumber yang ada memang tidak lengkap, tapi cukup dan memadai untuk menilai dan menyimpulkan bahwa abhidhamma adalah karangan belakangan. jadi terserah, mau memakai "bukti2" keluaran srilanka, atau bukti2 lain yang berlimpah, konsisten dan lebih netral dari berbagai sekte awal buddhism...
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« Reply #1453 on: 10 April 2013, 01:04:57 PM »
ternyata cukup mengguncangkan iman seperti telah diramalkan

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 [at] KK: Baru sadar ternyata ini thread Jurnal Pribadi ;D

Ya, ttg matikadhara itu memang sebatas spekulasi. Begitu pula semua analisis/hipotesis para ahli ttg Buddhisme awal juga sebatas spekulasi krn Buddhisme India kuno sbg sumber kajian Buddhisme awal telah lenyap ditelan sejarah... ;D
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