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Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« on: 09 August 2007, 11:36:55 PM »
Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
kalau ada...
  Siapa yg mengatur seorang Mahluk masuk neraka?
  Apa fungsi Dewa/Raja Yama ?
  Siapa Raja/Dewa Yama ?

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #1 on: 10 August 2007, 02:06:31 AM »
Alam neraka...ada donk..

sapa yang ngatur?
Kamma

Apa fungsi dewa/raja Yama?
Dewa bukan di neraka..dan di Neraka yg ada cuma Makhluk2 Neraka

Siapa Raja/Dewa Yama?
nanya orang yg ngerti Taoism and kong hu cu..

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #2 on: 10 August 2007, 02:20:35 AM »
Apa fungsi dewa/raja Yama?
Dewa bukan di neraka..dan di Neraka yg ada cuma Makhluk2 Neraka

Siapa Raja/Dewa Yama?
nanya orang yg ngerti Taoism and kong hu cu..
Jadi mnurut elo dalam Buddhism kaga ada yg namanya "Yama" ?

Yakin... ?
Gw lupa baca buku apaan... (Abhidhamma kalo ga salah)

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #3 on: 10 August 2007, 02:33:14 AM »
kayakne gk ada deh...kalo gk salah...kalo ada juga..bukan dewa lar...itu 100% pasti..dewa gk mungkin tinggal di Neraka..

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #4 on: 10 August 2007, 02:34:30 AM »
 Yama ( The Realm of the Yama Gods ) King Yama rules this realm of great happiness.That which destroys pain is Yama.

dikutip dari hxxp://web.ukonline.co.uk/buddhism/bhumis.htm

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #5 on: 10 August 2007, 02:36:17 AM »
sorry...Yama ada..baru ketemu tade...nama dewa gw cuma tao Sakka..haha

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #6 on: 10 August 2007, 05:18:19 AM »
kl nga salah yama itu deva yang mixed antara kesenangan dan penderitaan deh. pagi senang, mlam menderita.  :whistle:
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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #7 on: 10 August 2007, 08:27:45 AM »
ada 8 alam neraka (niraya) dalam buddhism...

1. Sanjiva Naraka
2. Kalasutta Naraka
3. Saringhta Naraka
4. Roruva naraka
5. Maharoruva Naraka
6. Tapana Naraka
7. Mahatapana Naraka
8. Avici Naraka

Niraya merupakan tempat siksaan yang tidak terbayangkan... Sama sekali tidak ada kebahagiaan (sukkha) disini, yang ada hanya penderitaan (dukkha). Jika melakukan perbuatan yang sangat merugikan seperti membunuh, maka pikiran akan terkondisi negatif, jika meninggal dalam kondisi pikiran seperti ini, maka seseorang itu sudah pasti akan terlahir di alam dengan siksaan hebat ini, dalam waktu yang sangat lama. Harus diketahui bahwa tidak ada 'sosok' yang mengadili/memberikan hukuman neraka disini, ini juga murni merupakan hasil dari hukum sebab akibat... (sumber : the 31 planes of existence)

mengenai 8 alam itu ada yang bisa kasi penjelasannya?
terus detil perbuatan yang mengakibatkan terlahir di neraka? gw liat ada 10 unwholesome actions. apa yah 10 unwholesome ini dalam Buddhism?

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #8 on: 10 August 2007, 09:07:25 AM »
neraka  :-? kata yg begitu dekat ma gw...  >:D mahluk neraka gw neh, untuk masuk neraka dan surga rasa kita ga perlu guide/Mr. T yg menentukan ke mana kita, wong kita ngapaian aja terserah kita koq, it's my life...

gw ada dipulau bor-neo, gw mau ke jakarta ato ke surabaya, terserah gw dunk, tergantung gw mau mengarahkan kaki dan badan ini kemana, intinya keputusan itu ada di gw sendiri dan sadari kemana kita mau pergi

sama la, gw mau ke neraka ato surga, gw sendiri yg mutusin cm bedanya kita sadari ato tidak aja, kalo kita ngarahkan perbuatan kita kearah yg kurang baik ya ada kemungkinan kita menuju kesono... aneh ya didunia ini, hal baik dan hal buruk itu sebenarnya gampang dilakukan, tapi kalo melakukan hal buruk itu kesannya keren dan enak/nyaman banget [berlaku bagi beberapa orang]... tapi kalo melakukan hal baik, itu kesannya sok suci dan ga nyaman [tidak berlaku untuk beberapa orang]

siapa dan apa fungsi Deva Yama ? ya nti deh kalo gw masuk neraka gw kirim email ke orang" yg mau tau siapa dan apa fungsi Deva Yama, kalo ada waktu sengang boleh jg gw posting deh ke forum...[kalo inget ^-^]

tak terbayangkan, tidak perlu dibayangkan, cukup pikirkan saat ini, hal yg terbaik yg perlu kita perbuat [dhanuttono 7:66]


NB: bagi pengemar suta-tono nih ada ayat baru  ^-^

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #9 on: 10 August 2007, 09:10:27 AM »
apa yah 10 unwholesome ini dalam Buddhism?

1. Pembunuhan
2. Pencurian
3. Kegiatan seksual yang tidak pantas
4. berdusta
5. fitnah
6. kata2x kasar
7. kata2x yg tidak perlu/gosip
8. keserakahan yg amat kuat (bisanya keinginan memiliki yg dimiliki orang lain)
9. niat buruk
10. pandangan salah
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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #10 on: 10 August 2007, 09:23:49 AM »
Kelihatannya diskusi mengarah ke: gak ada fungsi sosok Yama...
benarkah demikian ?

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #11 on: 10 August 2007, 10:54:14 AM »
Yama termasuk dalam alam dewa lho...
disebutkan dewa ini hidup dalam udara, bebas dari segala kesusahan...  ???

levelnya di atas Tavatimsa di bawah Tusita...

ato mungkin ada budaya daerah luar India yang menyebut dewa neraka dengan nama Yama?

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #12 on: 10 August 2007, 11:05:33 AM »
Yama in Theravāda Buddhism

Yama was understood by Buddhists as a god of the dead, supervising the various Buddhist "hells". His exact role is vague in canonical texts, but is clearer in extra-canonical texts and popular beliefs, which are not always consistent with Buddhist philosophy.

In the Pali canon, the Buddha states that a person who has ill-treated their parents, ascetics, holy persons and elders is taken upon his death to Yama.[1] Yama then asks the ignoble person if he ever considered his own ill conduct in light of birth, aging, sickness, worldly retribution and death. In response to Yama's questions, such an ignoble person repeatedly answers that he failed to consider the kammic consequences of his reprehensible actions and as a result is sent to a brutal hell "so long as that evil action has not exhausted its result."[2]

In extra-canonical Pali texts, the great Theravāda scholar, Buddhaghosa, described Yama as a vimānapeta, a being in a mixed state, sometimes enjoying celestial comforts and at other times receiving the more unpleasant fruits of his kamma; however, as a king, his rule is considered just.[3]

In popular belief in Theravādin Buddhist countries, Yama sends old age, disease, punishments and other calamities among humans as warnings to behave well. When they die, they are summoned before Yama, who examines their character and dispatches them to their appropriate rebirth, whether as a human, to a heaven, or to one of the hells that Yama presides over. Sometimes there are thought to be several Yamas, each presiding over a distinct Hell. Theravāda sources sometimes speak of two Yamas or four Yamas.[4]


Yama in Chinese and Japanese mythology
 
Tibetan Dharmapala at the Field Museum in Chicago, Illinois

In Chinese mythology, Yan Wang (Traditional Chinese: 閻王; Simplified Chinese: 阎王; Pinyin: Yán Wáng), also called Yanluo (Traditional Chinese: 閻羅; Simplified Chinese: 阎罗; Hanyu Pinyin: Yánluó; Wade-Giles: Yen-lo), is the god of death and the ruler of Di Yu (Jp. Jigoku, "hell" or the underworld). The name Yanluo is a shortened Chinese transliteration of the Sanskrit term Yama Rājā (閻魔羅社) "King Yama". In Japan Yanluo is referred to as Emma (older Yemma), or Emma-ō (閻魔大王 Enma Dai-Ō, "Great King Yama").

Yanluo is not only the ruler but also the judge of the underworld and passes judgment on all the dead. He always appears in a male form, and his minions include a judge who holds in his hands a brush and a book listing every soul and the allotted death date for every life. Ox-Head and Horse-Face, the fearsome guardians of hell, bring the newly dead, one by one, before Yanluo for judgement. Men or women with merit will be rewarded good future lives, or even revival in their previous life. Men or women who committed misdeeds will be sentenced to torture and/or miserable future lives.

The spirits of the dead, on being judged by Yanluo, are supposed to either pass through a term of enjoyment in a region midway between the earth and the heaven of the gods, or to undergo their measure of punishment in Naraka, the nether world, situated somewhere in the southern region. After this time they may return to Earth in new bodies.

Yanluo is considered to be an office or bureaucratic post, rather than an individual god. There were said to be cases in which an honest mortal was rewarded the post of Yanluo, and served as the judge and ruler of the underworld.

In his capacity as judge, Yanluo is normally depicted wearing a Chinese judge's cap in Chinese and Japanese art. Yanluo sometimes appears on Chinese Hell Bank Notes.


Yama in Tibetan Buddhism
 
Yamantaka Vajrabhairav, British Museum

In Tibet, Yama (Tibetan gshin.rje) was both regarded with horror as the prime mover of saṃsāra, and revered as a guardian of spiritual practice. In the popular mandala of the Bhavacakra, all of the realms of life are depicted between the jaws, or in the arms of a monstrous Yama. Yama is sometimes shown with a consort, Yami.

Another elaboration of the concept of Yama in Tibetan Vajrayāna Buddhism was as Yamāntaka – i.e. Yama-Antaka, meaning Yama-Death or "Death's Death".

The following story describes the relationship between Yama and Yamāntaka:
A holy man was told that if he meditated for the next 50 years, he would achieve enlightenment. The holy man meditated in a cave for 49 years, 11 months and 29 days, until he was interrupted by two thieves who broke in with a stolen bull. After beheading the bull in front of the hermit, they ignored his requests to be spared for but a few minutes, and beheaded him as well. In his near-enlightened fury, this holy man became Yama, the god of Death, took the bull's head for his own, and killed the two thieves, drinking their blood from cups made of their skulls. Still enraged, Yama decided to kill everyone in Tibet. The people of Tibet, fearing for their lives, prayed to the bodhisattva Mañjuśrī, who took up their cause. He transformed himself into Yamāntaka, similar to Yama but ten times more powerful and horrific. In their battle, everywhere Yama turned, he found infinite versions of himself. Mañjuśrī as Yamāntaka defeated Yama, and turned him into a protector of Buddhism. He is generally considered a wrathful deity.

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[1] See, for example, MN 130 (Nanamoli & Bodhi, 2001, pp. 1029-36) and AN 3.35 (Nyanaponika & Bodhi, 1999, pp. 51-3), both of which are entitled, "Devaduta Sutta" (The Divine Messengers).
[2] Nanamoli & Bodhi (2001), p. 1032.
[3] Buddhaghosa states this in his commentary to the Majjhima Nikaya (Nanamoli & Bodhi, 2001, p. 1341, n. 1206).
[4] According to Nanamoli & Bodhi (2001), p. 1341 n. 1206, the Majjhima Nikaya Atthakatha states that "there are in fact four Yamas, one at each of four gates (of hell?)." [The paranthetical expression is by Bodhi.]
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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #13 on: 10 August 2007, 11:30:54 AM »
Oh ada Yama dewa neraka dalam Buddhism ya...
So, Yama yang deva gimana? Sama ato beda ma Yama yang ini? kalo ini disebutkan dia di alam peta kan? berarti beda... dengan nama sama?  ???

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In popular belief in Theravādin Buddhist countries, Yama sends old age, disease, punishments and other calamities among humans as warnings to behave well.

sounds like................ god?  :-?

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Re: Adakah Neraka pada Buddhism ?
« Reply #14 on: 10 August 2007, 11:32:49 AM »
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