Seputar cesar millan

[M14ka]

Emang berminat gantikan istrinya? wkwkwkw (kidding  )

Iya udah ganti kayaknya baru April ini.  Mungkin supaya tidak jenuh karena sudah 6 seasons DW terus. 

Kayaknya kalo mau tau kenapa dia cerai, trus di mana ketemu pacarnya yg sekarang (udah serumah dan diajak tour bo  ), anaknya yg sulung ikut mantan istrinya, bagaimana proses WN USA nya, kita harus suratin produsernya biar ditayangin. 

Wah kok tau detail bngt? Ada 2 anak ya? Cuma penasaran aja kalo perceraiannya buat dia mencoba bunuh diri np mau cerai ya? Trus wkt pulih kembali ada cuplikan patung Buddha loh, nampak gak? 

[sanjiva]

Wah kok tau detail bngt? Ada 2 anak ya?

Ya taulah, kan gw udah nonton beberapa season, dan kadang anaknya diajak atau pas si anjing mampir ke rumahnya ada istrinya dan anak2.

Cuma penasaran aja kalo perceraiannya buat dia mencoba bunuh diri np mau cerai ya?

Kalo menurut cerita tadi malam, pas dia di luar kota (LN?) istrinya nelpon mau ceraikan dia.  Jadi yg mau cerai istrinya.

Trus wkt pulih kembali ada cuplikan patung Buddha loh, nampak gak? 

Nampak kali aku. 

Di episode2 DW juga kadang ada muncul penampakan2 seperti ini, di dalam dan di luar rumah.

Eh kata om Sunya jangan mempermasalahkan agama seorang tokoh lho. 
Padahal kita ga mempermasalahkan (mempermasalahkan = membuat jadi masalah), tapi cuma nyinggung2 dikit aja. 

Betul, cukup kaget melihat ternyata banyak (Buddhis) yang masih mempermasalahkan agama seorang tokoh. Beragama Buddha ataupun bukan, tidak menjadi tolok ukur dalam aspek dan hal apapun.

[Piggy]

Wah kok tau detail bngt? Ada 2 anak ya? Cuma penasaran aja kalo perceraiannya buat dia mencoba bunuh diri np mau cerai ya? Trus wkt pulih kembali ada cuplikan patung Buddha loh, nampak gak? 

kalo piggy sih menyimpulkan kalo om cesar milan mengalami sebuah masa peralihan dr agama kristin menuju ke agama Buddha di saat2 titik terendah dalam hidupnya......ya bisa dibilang om cm mendapat sebuah pencerahan......sadhu3 

[ryu]

wah nais info om sunya
piggy belum pernah nonton film tersebut......kalo film hachikonya brad pitt piggy sdh nonton.......apik filmnya....
intinya adalah kesetian si hachiko pd majikanya 

brad pitt?

[sanjiva]

brad pitt?

Richard Gere kaleee 

[Piggy]

Richard Gere kaleee 

oiya sori2 
piggy sampe lupa nama actornya maklum artis bule lawas rada2 mirip sih hehehe...... 

[dhammadinna]

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Eh kata om Sunya jangan mempermasalahkan agama seorang tokoh lho. 
Padahal kita ga mempermasalahkan (mempermasalahkan = membuat jadi masalah), tapi cuma nyinggung2 dikit aja. 
 

bukannya jangan mempermasalahkan, tapi tidak perlu terlalu menganggap "wuawwww" gitu...

Cesar, buddhist? so what?
Agnes Monica pake simpati, so what?
Dian sastro pake lux, so what?

Memang sih saya juga senang kalo ada yang sekotak sama saya, tapi kalo dipikir-pikir lagi, sebenarnya tidak ada untung atau ruginya juga buat saya... Jadi, ga perlu "wuawwww..." cukup "waw.." aja...

[M14ka]

Ya taulah, kan gw udah nonton beberapa season, dan kadang anaknya diajak atau pas si anjing mampir ke rumahnya ada istrinya dan anak2.
Kalo menurut cerita tadi malam, pas dia di luar kota (LN?) istrinya nelpon mau ceraikan dia.  Jadi yg mau cerai istrinya.
Nampak kali aku. 

Di episode2 DW juga kadang ada muncul penampakan2 seperti ini, di dalam dan di luar rumah.

Eh kata om Sunya jangan mempermasalahkan agama seorang tokoh lho. 
Padahal kita ga mempermasalahkan (mempermasalahkan = membuat jadi masalah), tapi cuma nyinggung2 dikit aja. 
 

Ups... 

bukannya jangan mempermasalahkan, tapi tidak perlu terlalu menganggap "wuawwww" gitu...

Cesar, buddhist? so what?
Agnes Monica pake simpati, so what?
Dian sastro pake lux, so what?

Memang sih saya juga senang kalo ada yang sekotak sama saya, tapi kalo dipikir-pikir lagi, sebenarnya tidak ada untung atau ruginya juga buat saya... Jadi, ga perlu "wuawwww..." cukup "waw.." aja...

Iya plg waw aja koq....  Kayanya Cesar memperlakukan anjing dgn penuh cinta kasih ya.... 

[sanjiva]

Iya plg waw aja koq....  Kayanya Cesar memperlakukan anjing dgn penuh cinta kasih ya.... 

Cinta kasih no.3, setelah exercise dan discipline.

[Sunya]

Barusan nonton kisah CM tadi malam.

Benar2 mantap, from zero to hero.  Dari pendatang ilegal Mexico yang menyelundup masuk AS, sampai sukses menjadi dog trainer yang mengadakan seminar hingga ke negara2 Eropa bahkan Singapore.

Sayang bagaimana proses dia menjadi warga AS ga diterangkan, padahal ini termasuk bagian yg menarik.  Masuk ilegal tahun 1990 dan baru mendapat WN USA pada 2009, padahal dia sudah muncul beberapa tahun di NatGeo serta sebelumnya juga masuk surat kabar sebagai man with dogs tapi koq ga ditangkap dan dideportasi sebelumnya.    Bagian ini pasti menarik kalau dibahas.

Sudah menjadi rahasia umum bahwa warga negara potensial lebih mudah mendapatkan status kewarganegaraan tetap/resmi (permanent residence). Ini berlaku untuk negara maupun daerah bagian (di Amerika maupun belahan dunia lainnya), semacam seleksi alam dalam dunia sains.

[Sunya]

Eh kata om Sunya jangan mempermasalahkan agama seorang tokoh lho. 
Padahal kita ga mempermasalahkan (mempermasalahkan = membuat jadi masalah), tapi cuma nyinggung2 dikit aja. 
 

Tulisan saya tentang mempermasalahkan agama, menyangkut universalitas dharma. Tentunya mempermasalahkan dalam konteks apa kita paham, sebab jika bukan seperti komentar Anda di atas, saya prediksikan nanti orang-orang seperti Pak Tono akan komentar lagi, "Sdr. Sunya terbebani dengan orang yang mempermasalahkan agama."

Beberapa bulan di forum ini, saya paham cara berkilah dan berbalas komentar khas di Dhammacitta.

Tentang figur (patung/rupang) Buddha, sebenarnya tidak hanya di acara Cesar Millan, tapi di kasino, tempat pijat dan spa, serta film porno pun ada. Jika kesimpulannya patung itu sering muncul maka kemungkinan ada hubungan dengan tokoh dalam acara maupun produser atau sutradaranya, saya kira sih sedikit naif.

Kita sebagai Buddhis harus kritis dan intelek, cuma itu maksud penyampaian saya di atas. Jangan sampai orang menilai kita berpandangan sempit dan membuat dharma menjadi eksklusif.

Demikian semoga paham.

Salam bahagia dan be a calm-assertive pack leader.

 

[Sunya]

bukannya jangan mempermasalahkan, tapi tidak perlu terlalu menganggap "wuawwww" gitu...

Cesar, buddhist? so what?
Agnes Monica pake simpati, so what?
Dian sastro pake lux, so what?

Memang sih saya juga senang kalo ada yang sekotak sama saya, tapi kalo dipikir-pikir lagi, sebenarnya tidak ada untung atau ruginya juga buat saya... Jadi, ga perlu "wuawwww..." cukup "waw.." aja...

Ya, masalahnya jika si tokoh ini pindah agama atau melakukan suatu perbuatan kurang baik (misalnya KDRT atau bahkan seperti kasus Alda Risma), maka apa kita juga akan merasa kecewa dan sakit hati?

Maka dari itu, identitas agama hanya seperti identitas sosial lainnya (sekolah dimana, alumni mana, bekerja di perusahaan apa, tinggal di perumahan apa), tidak lebih dari itu.

Siapapun bisa mengaku beragama atau berprinsip apapun, tapi setiap individu tentu memiliki kecenderungan yang berbeda.

 

[Sunya]

Sebenarnya, di Amerika sendiri tidak semua pelatih anjing setuju dengan metode Cesar Millan.

Berikut saya kutip beberapa tulisan orang lain, dan jika kita mengetik "Why people hates Cesar Millan" di Google, ternyata cukup banyak pendapat bernada kritikan terhadap cara-cara yang digunakan Cesar, termasuk menendang perut anjing untuk menundukkannya (membuat patuh).

I don't hate Cesar Millan. I don't think most people hate him. But I know that most dog trainers and most DVMs and most canine researchers and most canine sports competitors believe he is wrong or doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time. Let me give you examples:

1. Millan's approaches are archaic and outdated. According to Dr. Nicholas Dodman - DVM, Director of Animal Behavior Clinic, Tufts University,
“Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways. My college thinks it is a travesty. We’ve written to National Geographic Channel and told them they have put dog training back 20 years.”

2. Millan's focus on dominance and alpha is totally wrong. According to Dr. Suzanne Hetts, Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist and Co-owner of Animal Behavior Associates, Inc., Littleton, CO
"A number of qualified professionals have voiced concern for the welfare of pet dogs that experience the strong corrections administered by Mr. Millan. My concerns are based on his inappropriateness, inaccurate statements, and complete fabrications of explanations for dog behavior. His ideas, especially those about “dominance”, are completely disconnected from the sciences of ethology and animal learning, which are our best hope for understanding and training our dogs and meeting their behavioral needs. Many of the techniques he encourages the public to try are dangerous, and not good for dogs or our relationships with them ."

3. Millan's claims about wolves and pack theory applying to dogs are not true. According to Dr. Ian Dunbar, DVM, founder of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers, expert witness in dog aggression trials, author of numerous dog training books, "Saying 'I want to interact with my dog better, so I'll learn from the wolves' makes about as much sense as saying, 'I want to improve my parenting -- let's see how the chimps do it.' "

4. A review of the Dog Whisperer tapes by trained medical professionals show that his focus on alpha status is flawed and wrong. According to Dr. Andrew Luescher, DVM, who was asked by National Geographic to review Dog Whisperer shows, "Most of the theoretical explanations that Millan gives regarding causes of the behavior problems are wrong. Not one of these dogs had any issue with dominance. Not one of these dogs wanted to control their owners...Millan's techniques are outdated and unacceptable not only to the veterinary community, but also to dog trainers... The show repeatedly cautions the viewers not to attempt these techniques at home. What then is the purpose of this show? I think we have to be realistic: people will try these techniques at home, much to the detriment of their pets."

5. Some of the techniques he uses (like the alpha-roll or belly roll) are wrong and dangerous. This technique was first publicized by the Monks of New Skete (and Millan adopted it from them). Job Michael Evans, who first suggested the Alpha roll in his book for the Monks of New Skete, later apologized for it. Evans has since said publicly that he wished he had never written about the alpha-roll and it has led to widespread abuse. According to Evans, the only dogs that would likely accept an Alpha roll didn't need it and the ones who do need it would bite your face if you tried it with them.

6. Scientific research that studies groups of dogs has shown that the approaches he advocates actually increase dog violence and aggression. One study found that in 25% of the cases where flooding and physical correction were used (Millan's approach), the dogs became more aggressive. This does not mean that it worked in 75% of the cases, it just means that in 25% of the cases (or 1 in 4) the dog got more aggressive, became more likely to bit. Compare that to the instance of the 41 dogs confiscated from Michael Vick, all trained to be aggressive dog fighters. One had to be destroyed, 39 have been successfully rehabilitated, some are even now certified therapy dogs. None were trained using flooding and physical correction.

Now, I don't hate Millan. I've read Ian Dunbar, Patricia McMillan, Jean Donaldson and others talk about him and they don't appear to hate him. But do be clear--there is very little respect for him among professionals who study, treat, or train dogs. I compete seriously in dog agility and I can tell you that there is not a single competitor at the Master's level (the top levels) that has any regard for Millan or uses any of his techniques. In fact, in dog agility you get kicked off the course for doing some of what he advocates!

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090714135054AAzxOqm

Ingat, acara televisi itu dibuat sedemikian rupa hingga menarik (demi rating) dan menghibur, sehingga faktor-faktor ilmiah dan akademis terkadang dikesampingkan (tentu tidak semua kegagalan pelatihan difilmkan, dalam setiap episode pasti ada potongan-potongan gambar yang tidak ditayangkan atau dibuang).

Ini cuma pembanding, saya tidak membenci Cesar Milan.

Terima kasih.

 

[Sunya]

Kecintaan kita terhadap sesuatu atau seseorang, terkadang bisa menutupi obyektivitas kita.

Semoga hal itu tidak terjadi (pada Cesar Millan maupun pada agama dan keyakinan yang kita anut).

Be objective and critical.

 

[El Sol]

Sebenarnya, di Amerika sendiri tidak semua pelatih anjing setuju dengan metode Cesar Millan.

Berikut saya kutip beberapa tulisan orang lain, dan jika kita mengetik "Why people hates Cesar Millan" di Google, ternyata cukup banyak pendapat bernada kritikan terhadap cara-cara yang digunakan Cesar, termasuk menendang perut anjing untuk menundukkannya (membuat patuh).

I don't hate Cesar Millan. I don't think most people hate him. But I know that most dog trainers and most DVMs and most canine researchers and most canine sports competitors believe he is wrong or doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time. Let me give you examples:

1. Millan's approaches are archaic and outdated. According to Dr. Nicholas Dodman - DVM, Director of Animal Behavior Clinic, Tufts University,
“Cesar Millan's methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways. My college thinks it is a travesty. We’ve written to National Geographic Channel and told them they have put dog training back 20 years.”

2. Millan's focus on dominance and alpha is totally wrong. According to Dr. Suzanne Hetts, Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist and Co-owner of Animal Behavior Associates, Inc., Littleton, CO
"A number of qualified professionals have voiced concern for the welfare of pet dogs that experience the strong corrections administered by Mr. Millan. My concerns are based on his inappropriateness, inaccurate statements, and complete fabrications of explanations for dog behavior. His ideas, especially those about “dominance”, are completely disconnected from the sciences of ethology and animal learning, which are our best hope for understanding and training our dogs and meeting their behavioral needs. Many of the techniques he encourages the public to try are dangerous, and not good for dogs or our relationships with them ."

3. Millan's claims about wolves and pack theory applying to dogs are not true. According to Dr. Ian Dunbar, DVM, founder of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers, expert witness in dog aggression trials, author of numerous dog training books, "Saying 'I want to interact with my dog better, so I'll learn from the wolves' makes about as much sense as saying, 'I want to improve my parenting -- let's see how the chimps do it.' "

4. A review of the Dog Whisperer tapes by trained medical professionals show that his focus on alpha status is flawed and wrong. According to Dr. Andrew Luescher, DVM, who was asked by National Geographic to review Dog Whisperer shows, "Most of the theoretical explanations that Millan gives regarding causes of the behavior problems are wrong. Not one of these dogs had any issue with dominance. Not one of these dogs wanted to control their owners...Millan's techniques are outdated and unacceptable not only to the veterinary community, but also to dog trainers... The show repeatedly cautions the viewers not to attempt these techniques at home. What then is the purpose of this show? I think we have to be realistic: people will try these techniques at home, much to the detriment of their pets."

5. Some of the techniques he uses (like the alpha-roll or belly roll) are wrong and dangerous. This technique was first publicized by the Monks of New Skete (and Millan adopted it from them). Job Michael Evans, who first suggested the Alpha roll in his book for the Monks of New Skete, later apologized for it. Evans has since said publicly that he wished he had never written about the alpha-roll and it has led to widespread abuse. According to Evans, the only dogs that would likely accept an Alpha roll didn't need it and the ones who do need it would bite your face if you tried it with them.

6. Scientific research that studies groups of dogs has shown that the approaches he advocates actually increase dog violence and aggression. One study found that in 25% of the cases where flooding and physical correction were used (Millan's approach), the dogs became more aggressive. This does not mean that it worked in 75% of the cases, it just means that in 25% of the cases (or 1 in 4) the dog got more aggressive, became more likely to bit. Compare that to the instance of the 41 dogs confiscated from Michael Vick, all trained to be aggressive dog fighters. One had to be destroyed, 39 have been successfully rehabilitated, some are even now certified therapy dogs. None were trained using flooding and physical correction.

Now, I don't hate Millan. I've read Ian Dunbar, Patricia McMillan, Jean Donaldson and others talk about him and they don't appear to hate him. But do be clear--there is very little respect for him among professionals who study, treat, or train dogs. I compete seriously in dog agility and I can tell you that there is not a single competitor at the Master's level (the top levels) that has any regard for Millan or uses any of his techniques. In fact, in dog agility you get kicked off the course for doing some of what he advocates!

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090714135054AAzxOqm

Ingat, acara televisi itu dibuat sedemikian rupa hingga menarik (demi rating) dan menghibur, sehingga faktor-faktor ilmiah dan akademis terkadang dikesampingkan (tentu tidak semua kegagalan pelatihan difilmkan, dalam setiap episode pasti ada potongan-potongan gambar yang tidak ditayangkan atau dibuang).

Ini cuma pembanding, saya tidak membenci Cesar Milan.

Terima kasih.

 

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