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Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« on: 01 July 2013, 02:56:12 PM »
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/354405/phra-mitsuo-gavesako-leaves-monkhood



Japanese monk Phra Mitsuo Gavesako, the abbot of Sunandavanaram forest monastery in Kanchanaburi, has quietly left the monkhood after 38 years.

The news has shocked many of his followers, most of whom did not expect the venerable 61-year-old monk to leave the monkhood after serving Buddhism for almost four decades. An official at Maya Gotami...

An official at Maya Gotami Foundation, a charity organisation founded by the former monk, confirmed Phra Mitsuo left the monkhood at Wat Chanasongkram on Saturday, shortly after he gave his last sermon...

The former monk, whose real name is Mitsuo Shibahashi, has also left Thailand, according to the official, who declined to be named. His destination was unclear while the reason behind his decision to...

His destination was unclear while the reason behind his decision to leave the monkhood was also not known.

Mr Mitsuo came from Iwate prefecture in Japan. He practised dhamma in India for two years before moving to Thailand in 1975. After serving as a novice at Wat Benchamabophit temple for three months, he...

In 1990, Luang Por Cha assigned Phra Mitsuo to set up a forestry monastery on 500 rai of land donated by one of his fellows. The monastery was later upgraded to Sunandavanaram temple and the Japanese monk...

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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #1 on: 01 July 2013, 03:06:57 PM »
alasannya masih misterius  :-?

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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #2 on: 01 July 2013, 03:47:52 PM »
dapat info dari dhammawheel
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A woman, who has been the subject of speculation in previous weeks as the reason for renowned Japanese abbot Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leaving the monkhood, has introduced herself publicly through her Facebook page.
A single mother, 51-year-old Suttirat "Ann" Muttamara runs a widely known medical beauty centre. Her Facebook page carries a number of undated photos showing her posing with the former monk, now wearing normal clothes. ...

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nationa ... 09337.html

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Of course it shocks people who saw him still as a monk only a few weeks ago. But really he did not violate the Vinaya rules of the monk, so there is no problem in that respect.

We have had such cases before, and they tend to follow the same pattern: The monk gets more famous, starts teaching laypeople and travelling a lot, without much time for his own seclusion and training the junior monks. Eventually he runs out of energy and motivation, feeling also cut off from the Sangha, so there is a sense of inner lack. Eventually, feeling burdened by it all, he gives up the struggle and ends up in the warm arms of some woman who is just waiting for her chance. Sometimes the woman might be more active (the 'predator' type).

They give a typical Thai-Buddhist explanation of their romantic connection by saying it was บุพเพสันนิวาส (pubbe-sannivasa, being connected for many lifetimes by performing good kamma together and therefore wanting to re-unite):
http://www.thairath.co.th/content/edu/354008
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The fact that the woman is also a follower of Dhammakaya should not come as a surprise: As the owner of a health and beauty clinic (she looks good for age 50) she would be attracted to the Dhammakaya style of merit-making in order to achieve success and wealth and beauty in this life and the next. And Ajahn Mitsuo's teaching was also kind of aimed at achieving a 'healthy mind' through doing simple breathing meditation exercises (some of them close to Qi Gong or yoga) and maintaining a positive attitude by avoiding destructive emotions. That is why he was so popular with laypeople, but not with monks.

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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #3 on: 01 July 2013, 04:03:48 PM »
oh ternyata begitu alasannya.

kalimat ini menarik juga..
pubbe-sannivasa, being connected for many lifetimes by performing good kamma together and therefore wanting to re-unite

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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #4 on: 01 July 2013, 04:46:43 PM »
oh ternyata begitu alasannya.

kalimat ini menarik juga..
pubbe-sannivasa, being connected for many lifetimes by performing good kamma together and therefore wanting to re-unite

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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #5 on: 01 July 2013, 05:41:25 PM »
kaget juga...

tapi yah semoga k depannya berbahagia deh..

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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #6 on: 02 July 2013, 05:47:12 AM »
Luangpho Mitsuo, termasuk bhikkhu Dhutangga lho
Seringlah PancaKhanda direnungkan sebagai Ini Bukan MILIKKU, Ini Bukan AKU, Ini Bukan DIRIKU, bermanfaat mengurangi keSERAKAHan, mengurangi keSOMBONGan, Semoga dapat menjauhi Pandangan SALAH.

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« Reply #7 on: 02 July 2013, 09:04:21 AM »
Terkalahkan oleh ikan hiu  ::)
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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #8 on: 02 July 2013, 10:13:39 AM »
We have had such cases before, and they tend to follow the same pattern: The monk gets more famous, starts teaching laypeople and travelling a lot, without much time for his own seclusion and training the junior monks. Eventually he runs out of energy and motivation, feeling also cut off from the Sangha, so there is a sense of inner lack. Eventually, feeling burdened by it all, he gives up the struggle and ends up in the warm arms of some woman who is just waiting for her chance. Sometimes the woman might be more active (the 'predator' type).


Kata2 yg di bold membuat ilustrasi yg ada di benak saya adalah 'siluman rubah sedang mencoba merayu & mengganggu Bhiksu Tang yg sedang bermeditasi'.... :))
btt, sayang skali hasil pencapaian & latihan puluhan thn ditinggalkan begitu saja, jd bertanya dlm hati 'apakah ini karena tekad yg kurang kuat atau godaan yg terlalu kuat?'  :-?
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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #9 on: 02 July 2013, 11:46:56 AM »
A woman, who has been the subject of speculation in previous weeks as the reason for renowned Japanese abbot Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leaving the monkhood, has introduced herself publicly through her Facebook page.
A single mother, 51-year-old Suttirat "Ann" Muttamara runs a widely known medical beauty centre. Her Facebook page carries a number of undated photos showing her posing with the former monk, now wearing normal clothes. ...


blm apa2 uda dipajang foto2 mesra nya.





yg disayangkan, bhikkhu tersebut adalah dhutangga dan sdh 38 tahun lebih menjadi bhikkhu, ternyata kalah dgn godaan seorang janda beranak 1. tp dari pada terjadi pelanggaran vinaya yg lebih berat krn melakukan perbuatan asusila, ya mending lepas jubah dan jd lah umat yg baik. hidup adalah pilihan dan itu adalah pilihan bhikkhu tersebut.

saran: semoga para wanita buddhist, yg kesepian (single blm nikah/janda) jgn terlalu intens berhub dengan seorang bhikkhu, jk ingin berdiskusi/konsultasi lbh baik ditemani seorang dayaka dan sangat tidak pantas tanya no hp seorang bhikkhu cm tuk sekedar ngobrol di hp, jd lah seorang umat wanita yg baik dan hargai/hormati latihan kebhikkhuan seseorang.



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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #10 on: 02 July 2013, 12:00:18 PM »
baca dari tadi banyakan menyimpulkan bahwa si wanita yang menggoda si bhikkhu
ada kemungkinan malah si bhikkhu yang menggoda si wanita
siapa yang tau ??
Daripada seribu kata yang tak berarti,
adalah lebih baik sepatah kata yang bermanfaat,
yang dapat memberi kedamaian kepada pendengarnya.

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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #11 on: 02 July 2013, 12:14:15 PM »
A woman, who has been the subject of speculation in previous weeks as the reason for renowned Japanese abbot Phra Ajahn Mitsuo Gavesako leaving the monkhood, has introduced herself publicly through her Facebook page.
A single mother, 51-year-old Suttirat "Ann" Muttamara runs a widely known medical beauty centre. Her Facebook page carries a number of undated photos showing her posing with the former monk, now wearing normal clothes. ...


blm apa2 uda dipajang foto2 mesra nya.





yg disayangkan, bhikkhu tersebut adalah dhutangga dan sdh 38 tahun lebih menjadi bhikkhu, ternyata kalah dgn godaan seorang janda beranak 1. tp dari pada terjadi pelanggaran vinaya yg lebih berat krn melakukan perbuatan asusila, ya mending lepas jubah dan jd lah umat yg baik. hidup adalah pilihan dan itu adalah pilihan bhikkhu tersebut.

saran: semoga para wanita buddhist, yg kesepian (single blm nikah/janda) jgn terlalu intens berhub dengan seorang bhikkhu, jk ingin berdiskusi/konsultasi lbh baik ditemani seorang dayaka dan sangat tidak pantas tanya no hp seorang bhikkhu cm tuk sekedar ngobrol di hp, jd lah seorang umat wanita yg baik dan hargai/hormati latihan kebhikkhuan seseorang.

baca dari tadi banyakan menyimpulkan bahwa si wanita yang menggoda si bhikkhu
ada kemungkinan malah si bhikkhu yang menggoda si wanita
siapa yang tau ??
Segala yang berkondisi tidak kekal, APAPUN itu.

Mau melatih diri sangat lama, mau digoda beratpun, tetap segala sesuatu itu tidak ada yg kekal. Smg kita semua yang sudah mempelajari dhamma dapat memahami ini sebagai fenomena tidak kekal pula.
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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #12 on: 02 July 2013, 01:13:44 PM »
baca dari tadi banyakan menyimpulkan bahwa si wanita yang menggoda si bhikkhu
ada kemungkinan malah si bhikkhu yang menggoda si wanita
siapa yang tau ??

sy pribadi lbh prefer, wanita yg menggoda bhikkhu, ga usa jauh2, di sekitar kita aja uda keliatan. liat aja momen2 tertentu, ada beberapa wanita rajin ke kuti untuk bertemu dgn bhikkhu tertentu, entah sekedar kagum/dianggap guru spiritual/sebagai teman curhat dan lain nya... itu awal peluang si bhikkhu melihat adanya kesempatan bagi diri nya untuk dekat.

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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #13 on: 02 July 2013, 01:17:23 PM »
baca dari tadi banyakan menyimpulkan bahwa si wanita yang menggoda si bhikkhu
ada kemungkinan malah si bhikkhu yang menggoda si wanita
siapa yang tau ??

Segala yang berkondisi tidak kekal, APAPUN itu.

Mau melatih diri sangat lama, mau digoda beratpun, tetap segala sesuatu itu tidak ada yg kekal. Smg kita semua yang sudah mempelajari dhamma dapat memahami ini sebagai fenomena tidak kekal pula.

uda tau segala sesuatu itu tidak kekal adanya, patut nya para wanita single/janda menyadari dan hormati/hargai latihan seorang bhikkhu, maka KASUS bhikkhu LEPAS JUBAH karena WANITA bs diminimal kan...

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Re: Phra Mitsuo Gavesako leaves monkhood
« Reply #14 on: 02 July 2013, 01:28:10 PM »
uda tau segala sesuatu itu tidak kekal adanya, patut nya para wanita single/janda menyadari dan hormati/hargai latihan seorang bhikkhu, maka KASUS bhikkhu LEPAS JUBAH karena WANITA bs diminimal kan...

itu jg patut di pahami

IYA bro A'a Tono, sekarang jika anda seorang yang sll menyokong sangha, begitu dengar beliau sedang berada di kota anda pasti anda akan datang untuk menanyakan apa yg beliau perlukan, anda berusaha berlomba2 untuk memupuk kebajikan, tapi apa2 yang terjadi itu semua khan tanggung jawab pelaku, jadi bila anda menyokong Ayya Santini dan anda sering datang kesana, beliaupun akan paham bagaimana seharusnya, tetapi sekali lagi segala sesuatu itu tidak ada yang kekal, jadi walau sekarang mereka sedang nampak bahagia, andapun harus ingat bahwa bahagiapun kelak tidak kekal lagi, jadi kehidupan beliau kelak bagaimanapun juga tidak kekal itu yg saya maksud, sekarang beliau nampak mengambil keputusan yang nampaknya banyak pihak yang KECEWA, tetapi kita semua tidak tahu kelak 5 tahun lagi beliau menggunakan jubah dan mencapai arahat, kita semua TIDAK ADA yang tahu (****kisah bhikkhu lepas jubah hingga 7x kemudian mencapai arahat). Itu yang saya maksud A'a, semoga paham maksud saya.
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