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[HELP]Apakah Perpetual Motion (gerak abadi) dpt diciptakan manusia?

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Newton's laws of motion are three physical laws that form the basis for classical mechanics. They describe the relationship between the forces acting on a body and its motion due to those forces. They have been expressed in several different ways over nearly three centuries,[1]  and can be summarised as follows:

   1. First Law: Every body will persist in its state of rest or of uniform motion (constant velocity) in a straight line unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed on it.[2][3][4] This means that in the absence of a non-zero net force, the center of mass of a body either is at rest or moves at a constant velocity.
   2. Second Law: A body of mass m subject to a force F undergoes an acceleration a that has the same direction as the force and a magnitude that is directly proportional to the force and inversely proportional to the mass, i.e., F = ma. Alternatively, the total force applied on a body is equal to the time derivative of linear momentum of the body.
   3. Third Law: The mutual forces of action and reaction between two bodies are equal, opposite and collinear. This means that whenever a first body exerts a force F on a second body, the second body exerts a force −F on the first body. F and −F are equal in magnitude and opposite in direction. This law is sometimes referred to as the action-reaction law, with F called the "action" and −F the "reaction".


Spt planet2 (begitu juga bumi kita) mengintari matahari yg disebut dgn orbit. Perputaran tsb merupakan gerakan "abadi" yg tidak berhenti. Menurut Newton karna bumi dgn kecepat mengintari matahari dan tidak ada "hambatan" yg menurunkan kecepatan bumi, maka bumi akan terus aja berputar-putar....(sampai kapan juga gak tau)...

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Apakah manusia udah ada yg sukses menciptakan duplikat barang yg dapat berputar, bergerak, bergetar secara abadi ? (tidak termasuk barang2 radio aktif lho).  Juga bukan barang2 yg mengolah energy dari luar...(spt solar cell yg mengerakan dynamo)! Jadi tanpa ada energy dari luar, barang tsb akan bergerak abadi!


Banyak sekali gambar2 perpetual motion...

ada yg tau apakah benar2 berhasil ?
Pls a need this help... :)) :)) :)) :)) (serius, serius,.. .jangan bercanda ya..!)
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entropi bro
setahu saya hanya ada 1 orang yang pernah bisa menciptakan, lisa simpson.
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benarkah demikian? apakah bumi akan terus bergerak ketika telah hancur? mungkinkah gerak bumi bisa abadi sedangkan bumi itu sendiri tidak abadi?

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entropi bro
setahu saya hanya ada 1 orang yang pernah bisa menciptakan, lisa simpson.

lha koq lisa simpson kan pakai tenaga TUHAN.... (external, jadi gak masuk dehh)

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indra : benarkah demikian? apakah bumi akan terus bergerak ketika telah hancur? mungkinkah gerak bumi bisa abadi sedangkan bumi itu sendiri tidak abadi?
nro Indra, Kalau bumi gak hancur berkeping-keping... rasanya akan terus berputar...
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Salah satu manusia paling genius sangat tertarik akan hal tsb dan
udah mencoba tapi belum berhasil. Mungkin anda bisa berhasil ?

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indra : benarkah demikian? apakah bumi akan terus bergerak ketika telah hancur? mungkinkah gerak bumi bisa abadi sedangkan bumi itu sendiri tidak abadi?
nro Indra, Kalau bumi gak hancur berkeping-keping... rasanya akan terus berputar...

mungkin yg perlu dijawab dulu adalah apakah bumi tidak akan hancur sehingga akan berputar abadi?

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indra : benarkah demikian? apakah bumi akan terus bergerak ketika telah hancur? mungkinkah gerak bumi bisa abadi sedangkan bumi itu sendiri tidak abadi?
nro Indra, Kalau bumi gak hancur berkeping-keping... rasanya akan terus berputar...

mungkin yg perlu dijawab dulu adalah apakah bumi tidak akan hancur sehingga akan berputar abadi?

bro Indra, kalau hancur sih belum tau... yg pasti bumi akan terpakai habis dan rusak oleh manusia sendiri!
karna lebih banyak penduduk yg mengkonsumsi bumi dari pada yg tersedia !
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Burung yg bergerak terus tanpa baterai...
« Reply #7 on: 16 June 2010, 09:07:06 PM »



Burung yg bergerak terus tanpa baterai...
Menurut anda burung ini termasuk perpetual motion ?

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The energy which propels this little bird comes from the sun which maintains air temperature and humidity.


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The Second Law of Thermodynamics Embodied in a Glass Bird

These "Dippy Birds" have been around for years, and you can't fool us - you've always wanted one. Now's your chance! But do you understand how it works? Do you get the complex relationship between chemistry and physics that makes this simple heat engine operate?

Is it a perpetual motion machine, or is it something more than that? Well, the answer is it's more than that. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states (paraphrased) that energy can neither be created nor destroyed in a closed system. So how does that relate to our little glass birdie here?

The goop in his butt is methylene chloride has a very low boiling point, and therefore evaporates quickly. At room temperature, one or two degrees temperature difference causes the bright red chemical to climb to his head. Suddenly topheavy, he falls over. The felt head, soaked in the water from the cup, cools the methylene chloride, and it drains back to the bottom. The bird rights itself, and it starts all over again.
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kepikiran yang hubungan ama gaya gravitasi juga seh..

mungkin bisa dengan suatu papan lingkaran yang diberikan banyak pemberat..
pemberat tersebut dari atas akan berayun mengikuti gravitasi sehingga timbul energi potensial.. besarnya energi potensial yang ditimbulkan akan menjadi energi kinetis untuk menggerakan pemberat2 lain ke atas melawan gravitasi.. ketika pemberat2 lain di atas, kembali terjadi energi potensial yang berubah lagi menjadi energi kinetis untuk menggerakan pemberat2 lain..

hanya pande berteori.. :))
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lisa simpson pernah membuat mesin perpetual motion. tapi ketika dimarahin homer, in this house we obey the law of thermodynamics, maka mesinnya hancur berkeping-keping.

btw, lisa simpson itu buddhis dan vegetarian.
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Re: [HELP]Apakah Perpetual Motion (gerak abadi) dpt diciptakan manusia?
« Reply #10 on: 16 June 2010, 09:37:20 PM »
kepikiran yang hubungan ama gaya gravitasi juga seh..

mungkin bisa dengan suatu papan lingkaran yang diberikan banyak pemberat..
pemberat tersebut dari atas akan berayun mengikuti gravitasi sehingga timbul energi potensial.. besarnya energi potensial yang ditimbulkan akan menjadi energi kinetis untuk menggerakan pemberat2 lain ke atas melawan gravitasi.. ketika pemberat2 lain di atas, kembali terjadi energi potensial yang berubah lagi menjadi energi kinetis untuk menggerakan pemberat2 lain..

hanya pande berteori.. :))

salah satu yang paling bagus itu jam bandul yang naik turun. yang bagus bisa tahan berhari-hari. tapi akhirnya harus diputar lagi.
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Re: [HELP]Apakah Perpetual Motion (gerak abadi) dpt diciptakan manusia?
« Reply #11 on: 16 June 2010, 09:41:29 PM »
lisa simpson pernah membuat mesin perpetual motion. tapi ketika dimarahin homer, in this house we obey the law of thermodynamics, maka mesinnya hancur berkeping-keping.

btw, lisa simpson itu buddhis dan vegetarian.

Kalau spt dringking bird yg menggunakan panas ruangan dan penguapan air (air nya berkurang) itu udah memakai energy dari luar... jadi tidak termasuk perpetual motion. Karna ada yg terpakai. Jadi paling tidak mesin tsb bisa berjalan dalam gelap dan temperatur yg berbeda pula...(gak terlalu panas)..
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Re: [HELP]Apakah Perpetual Motion (gerak abadi) dpt diciptakan manusia?
« Reply #12 on: 16 June 2010, 09:43:50 PM »
kepikiran yang hubungan ama gaya gravitasi juga seh..

mungkin bisa dengan suatu papan lingkaran yang diberikan banyak pemberat..
pemberat tersebut dari atas akan berayun mengikuti gravitasi sehingga timbul energi potensial.. besarnya energi potensial yang ditimbulkan akan menjadi energi kinetis untuk menggerakan pemberat2 lain ke atas melawan gravitasi.. ketika pemberat2 lain di atas, kembali terjadi energi potensial yang berubah lagi menjadi energi kinetis untuk menggerakan pemberat2 lain..

hanya pande berteori.. :))
bro Forte,

Kalau ada gambar yg menyerupain bro.... ingat juga gesekan yg menghabiskan energy...
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Re: [HELP]Apakah Perpetual Motion (gerak abadi) dpt diciptakan manusia?
« Reply #13 on: 16 June 2010, 09:48:50 PM »

salah satu hasil karya Leonardo Da Vinci...(kelihatannya masuk akal)

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Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519) was the prototype "Renaissance Man". His talents included art, engineering, music, physics, and mathematics. His famous Notebooks (a collection of drawings and commentary on loose manuscript pages) were largely unorganized "notes" to himself that he never put into a format for proper publication. These include ideas and designs from other sources, and some original ones, without indication of which were which. Leonardo was never shy about proclaiming his many talents, but he often started projects he never finished.

Leonardo's famous comment comparing perpetual motion seekers to alchemists is often quoted. "Oh, ye seekers after perpetual motion, how many vain chimeras have you pursued? Go and take your place with the alchemists." The last reference is to "seekers after gold", which at least one translator has misinterpreted as "gold-diggers".

Leonardo very carefully analyzed several versions of the overbalanced wheel with moving weights, and showed why they would not work.

    Moreover, you might set yourself to prove that by equiping such a wheel with many balances, every part, however small, which turned over as the result of percussion would suddenly cause another balance to fall, and by this the wheel would stand in perpetual movement. But by this you would be deceiving yourself... As the attachment of the heavy body is farther from the center of the wheel, the revolving movement of the wheel round its pivot will become more difficult, although the motive power may not vary. [From Dircks (1861)]

This last comment is especially perceptive. In modern language is says that as a weight moves farther from the rotation axis, the gravitational torque on it is greater, but the moment of inertia of the wheel is simultaneously increased, making the gravitational torque less effective in increasing or sustaining motion of the wheel. The net gain is zero. (alias gak bisa)
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Re: [HELP]Apakah Perpetual Motion (gerak abadi) dpt diciptakan manusia?
« Reply #14 on: 16 June 2010, 09:52:39 PM »
lisa simpson pernah membuat mesin perpetual motion. tapi ketika dimarahin homer, in this house we obey the law of thermodynamics, maka mesinnya hancur berkeping-keping.

btw, lisa simpson itu buddhis dan vegetarian.

Lisa Simpson Intelligence

It is mentioned that Lisa has an IQ of 156 [8]. She is a high-ranking member of Mensa Springfield . Lisa demonstrates an early intelligence by changing her own diaper as an infant. When unable to attend school due to a teachers' strike, she suffered a sort of "school withdrawal" as she has an emergency box in case of a teacher strike and constantly wants people to "grade her" as Marge gave her an "A", and invents a perpetual motion machine that Homer describes as going "faster and faster". He goes on to chastise her, saying "In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics" [9].

bro Tanka, tapi gak ada gambar maupun keterangan lebih lanjut gimana mesin tsb!
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