Seputar master LU (LSY) & Living Buddha & True Buddha School.

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kayaknya nga ada tuh rinpoche2 kargyu pake topi2 black hat. itu cuman karmapa sebagai pemimpin silsilah yang pake. cek aja rinpoche2 kargyu kayak tai situ rinpoche,mingyur rinpoche,sangye nyenpa rinpoche. kalo puja mereka pake topi yang kuning lebar gitu. itu lu sheng yen udah pake black hat. berarti mengaku pemimpin tertinggi kargyu juga dunk

[kur0bane]

gw kan tanya padmakumara. itu asalnya dari mana? kitab apa?

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untuk saudara indra

saya tidak bilang roh / kesadaran itu kekal atau tidak
yang pasti keadaannnya adalah tanpa awal dan tanpa akhir

mengenai konsep anatta / tiada inti yang kekal / kosong

ini bukan berarti tidak ada sama sekali
tiada inti yang kekal maksudnya adalah selalu berubah ubah dan akan musnah, bukankah itu kekosongan namanya

sepengetahuan saya seperti itu

mohon bimbingannnya bila ada kesalahan

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untuk saudara kurobane

saya kira tadi maksud pertanyaan anda " apakah selain gwalpa karmapa tidak ada yang boleh memakai topi tanda silsilah? " makanya saya jawab tentu saja rinpoche lain boleh

jadi saya salah tangkap pertanyaan anda

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untuk saudara kurobane

saya kira tadi maksud pertanyaan anda " apakah selain gwalpa karmapa tidak ada yang boleh memakai topi tanda silsilah? " makanya saya jawab tentu saja rinpoche lain boleh

jadi saya salah tangkap pertanyaan anda

ya udah jawab:d

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saudara kurobane

istilah padmakumara seharusnya ada di sutra satya buddha

padmakumara putih sendiri adalah inkarnasi masa lampau dari mester lu

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ngomong ngomong saudara johan yang buka diskusi ini kemana ya ?

saya uda cape2 jawab banyak pertanyannya

[4DMYN]

http://www.dharma-haven.org/tibetan/karmapa-crown.htm#Origin
The Origin of the Vajra Crown
By Lama Karma Wangchuk

Let me briefly recount the story of the Black Crown. When the Emperor Yung Lo met the 5th Karmapa Dezhin Shegpa numerous miracles and signs appeared in the sky for the 18 days that Karmapa gave public teachings. Famous Chinese painters and calligraphers of the period copied these signs daily and wrote descriptions of them in the four main languages of the Chinese Empire Mongolian, Mandarin, Tibetan and Turkic. They form the basis of our understanding of how the Emperor came to give the Black Crown to the Karmapa.

After several days of teachings, the Emperor said to Karmapa, Whenever you perform a ceremony of blessing, you always appear to me in a special way. Your body is in the form of Vajradhara and you are wearing a kind of black turban or crown on your head. 

Karmapa responded that it could be that when the body of a great bodhisattva is teaching in human, or nirmanakaya form, this body can also be simultaneously manifested in sambhogakaya, or ethereal form. To further answer the emperor's question, Karmapa explained that many eons in the past, in a previous life as a cave-meditator, Karmapa attained the eighth bodhisattva bhumi. Then, a hundred thousand wisdom dakinis cut their black hair and offered it to Karmapa as an offering. They manifested their hair as a crown that they placed on his head and enthroned Karmapa as a Buddha for their sambhogakaya land. The 5th Karmapa said that the 1st Karmapa, Dusum Khenpa was an emanation of that sambhogakaya Buddha for our world.

The emperor marveled at this story, and in his devotion offered to have a replica of this crown made for Karmapa: If I make a similar crown and offer it to you, can you give the blessing of the sambhogakaya Buddha to sentient beings? 

Karmapa responded, Yes, the bodhisattva s blessing depends on his having attained the wish paramita--that whatever he wishes for sentient beings will come true--so this is possible. 

The emperor was very pleased. He left Karmapa, and ordered the most skilled craftsmen to make a crown studded with precious stones and crowned by a rare ruby the size of a human fingertip. The 5th Karmapa accepted this gift and began the tradition of the Black Crown Ceremony. Since then, when any Karmapa performs this ceremony, he meditates in the form of a sambhogakaya Buddha and thus gives a unique empowerment of samadhi and wisdom to those in attendance. Karmapas from the 5th through the 16th wore this crown and gave this blessing through the ceremony.

[kur0bane]

saudara kurobane

istilah padmakumara seharusnya ada di sutra satya buddha

padmakumara putih sendiri adalah inkarnasi masa lampau dari mester lu

sutra satya buddha ada di bagian tripitaka mana? theravada ato mahayana?

[kur0bane]

ngomong ngomong saudara johan yang buka diskusi ini kemana ya ?

saya uda cape2 jawab banyak pertanyannya

lagi makan siang kale ato lagi jalan2 bro. kan hari minggu:d

[4DMYN]

The Crown Today

In the early 1960s, the 16th Karmapa brought the Black Crown and other valuable relics of the Kagyu lineage to Rumtek monastery in Sikkim. They remained there in safekeeping until 1993 following the 16th Karmapa’s death. The ensuing split in his lineage caused a conflict at the monastery between supporters of the two rival claimants for the title of Karmapa. Since that time, it is said that many valuable items have disappeared from the cloister. On July 5th, 2004 the Indian Supreme Court delivered a final judgement to grant Rumtek monastery to the Karmapa Charitable Trust, principal supporters of Thaye Dorje, one of the rival candidates for the title of 17th Karmapa. Since then an inventory of valuables is being prepared. As such, the location and integrity of the Black Crown is currently unknown.

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jadi saudara kurobane,

apakah rinpoche2 yang anda sebutkan tadi sudah menerima abhiseka panca dhyani buddha dari gwalpa karmapa?

kalau belum berarti tidak aneh kalau master lu memakai topi tsb

[kur0bane]

memangnya itu lambang pancadyani buddha? bukanya itu lambang pemimpin aliran?

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saudara kurobane

sutra satya buddha tentu saja tantrayana, karena sutra tersebut adalah sutra dalam zhenfozhong

[kur0bane]

saudara kurobane

sutra satya buddha tentu saja tantrayana, karena sutra tersebut adalah sutra dalam zhenfozhong

o0o sutra ZFC