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« on: 01 September 2008, 02:03:13 PM »
Subjunctive

Subjunctive in English is the simple form of the verb when used after certain verbs indicating that one person wants another person to do something.
The word That must always appear in subjunctive sentences. If it is omitted, most of the verbs are followed by the infinitive.

E.g.      - We urge that you leave now
                                     Simple Form
             - We urge you to leave now

Advise      Decree      Move      Prefer      Request

Suggest   ask      Demand   Order      Propose

Require     Urge          Command    Insist   Recommend   Stipulate

In the following rule, verb indicates one of the above verbs.

Subject +   Verb   +    That   +   Subject      +       [ verb in simple form ]
   (any tense)

E.g.     The Judge Insisted That the Jury return a verdict immediately.
              The Doctor Suggested That his patient stop smoking
    The University requires that all its students take this course.

The Simple form of the verb is also used after impersonal expressions with the same meaning as the above verbs. The adjectives that fit into this formula include the following.

Advised   Necessary   Recommended      urgent      Important

Obligatory   required   Imperative   Mandatory   Proposed    Suggested

In The following rule, adjective indicates one of the above adjectives.

It +   be   +    adjective    +    That   +    subject    +    [verb in simple form]
        (Any tense)

E.g.       It is necessary that he find the books.
              It was urgent that she leave at once.
              It has been proposed that we change the topic
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #1 on: 04 March 2009, 10:32:45 AM »
hi Rina,

i want to ask a quoestion.

well, you know that we used to uses "s" at the end of verb (kata kerja apa seh verb ya? :hammer: )

such as  " i goes to school" for a routine task.

but if i use "always" then should i still use "s"

like " i always goes to school" or "i always go to school"
i'm just a mammal with troubled soul



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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #2 on: 04 March 2009, 11:17:06 AM »
 [at]  hatRed
Let me try to rep :)
The "s" behind verb, is only used in present tense, when the subject is "He", "She", or "It".
For ex: She goes to school everyday. --> Present tense

But when the subject is "I", then the verb should not been followed by "s".
Ex: I go to school everyday --> Present tense

The words "always", "usually", "sometimes", "rarely" or "never" are the adverbs of frequency. It explains how often you do something and has nothing to do with the grammar. So the pattern will still remain the same (present tense), you only add the adverb in from of verb.

Ex: She always goes to school.
     I always go to school.

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #3 on: 04 March 2009, 11:44:01 AM »
:))

yes, the "s" just for He She It

(fool i am :hammer:)

so the grammar will still remain the same. okay

trims ^:)^
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #4 on: 11 June 2010, 08:05:17 PM »
ci rina, sy g ngerti gmna cara bljr inggris.. :) grammarny mulai drmn?
"Dhamma has a value beyond all wealth and should not be sold like goods in a market place."

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #5 on: 11 June 2010, 09:32:22 PM »
ci rina, sy g ngerti gmna cara bljr inggris.. :) grammarny mulai drmn?

udah jelas mulai dari yg gampang

simple present tense...............

Practices make perfect ! (< kalau yg ini grammarnya bener gak ?)
Nagasena : salah satu dari delapan penyebab matangnya kebijaksanaan dgn seringnya bertanya

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #6 on: 11 June 2010, 09:33:56 PM »
ci rina, sy g ngerti gmna cara bljr inggris.. :) grammarny mulai drmn?

udah jelas mulai dari yg gampang

simple present tense...............

Practices make perfect ! (< kalau yg ini grammarnya bener gak ?)

practices make it perfect.. ;D
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #7 on: 12 June 2010, 11:46:39 AM »
ci rina, sy g ngerti gmna cara bljr inggris.. :) grammarny mulai drmn?

udah jelas mulai dari yg gampang

simple present tense...............

Practices make perfect ! (< kalau yg ini grammarnya bener gak ?)

practices make it perfect.. ;D

Practice makes perfect. :)

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #8 on: 13 June 2010, 01:16:16 PM »
Panduan pake buku pelajaran sekolah u aja, coba sis liat di buku itu apa2 aja yg tidak mengerti jd kita bisa bahas 1 per 1.

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #9 on: 22 June 2010, 03:02:23 AM »
ci rina, sy g ngerti gmna cara bljr inggris.. :) grammarny mulai drmn?

udah jelas mulai dari yg gampang

simple present tense...............

Practices make perfect ! (< kalau yg ini grammarnya bener gak ?)

practices make it perfect.. ;D

Practice makes perfect. :)

bro Upasaka, jadi cuma sekali nyoba gitu ?

is the word practice already means many ?
Nagasena : salah satu dari delapan penyebab matangnya kebijaksanaan dgn seringnya bertanya

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #10 on: 22 June 2010, 09:46:01 AM »
is the word practice already means many ?

Bro Johan, if you don't mind, I'd like to share my opinion on this matter, please CMIIW.
IMHO "practice makes perfect" is a universal idea, thus the word "practice" does not refer to singularity.

same thing as: "The snake is a dangerous creature"
due to its universal idea, it does not merely refer to one snake, but to all snakes.
or
“To dream anything that you want to dream. That's the beauty of the human mind"
The word "human" there does not refer to one single human only, but to all human beings.

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #11 on: 22 June 2010, 10:21:12 AM »
is the word practice already means many ?

Bro Johan, if you don't mind, I'd like to share my opinion on this matter, please CMIIW.
IMHO "practice makes perfect" is a universal idea, thus the word "practice" does not refer to singularity.

same thing as: "The snake is a dangerous creature"
due to its universal idea, it does not merely refer to one snake, but to all snakes.
or
“To dream anything that you want to dream. That's the beauty of the human mind"
The word "human" there does not refer to one single human only, but to all human beings.

Good explanation, Sis an_atta...
And because of "practice" could be substitute by "it", that's why we should use makes instead of "make".

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #12 on: 23 June 2010, 09:35:52 PM »
iy cc, tar wktu mxuk xcul z bru kt bljr materi yg bru, skrg lg libur..
"Dhamma has a value beyond all wealth and should not be sold like goods in a market place."

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #13 on: 23 July 2010, 07:54:43 PM »
hi ci..

ne w ud msuk xkul a.. w g ngerti yg future n present tense r ..

kata guruny contohnya ini : what will you see if you go to borobudur temple..

cc bs tlg ajarin w g?  ;D
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #14 on: 25 July 2010, 11:05:49 AM »
 [at] yi fang : Sorry 4 late reply,

Jadi gini perbedaan yg paling sederhana adalah ;
Present : saat ini sedangkan future :masa mendatang(belum terjadi)

Cara bedainnya bisa dari kata kerja dan kata keterangan.
Struktur dasar kalimat nya begini
Contoh :
I am standing now

I : subjek
Am : tobe
Standing : kata kerja
Now : kata keterangan
Present simple tense(nanti ada present tense jenis lain lg,yg sdg dibahas ini yg simple)
Jadi dalam present tense kata kerjanya selalu kata kerja dasar dan
Kata keterangannya selalu pake kata keterangan yg rutin atau berjangka.
Contoh kalimatnya sbb :
Mary does her homework everyday
Ini adalah kalimat present karena : does : kata kerja dasar (lalu kenapa pake es dibelakang?)
Pake es karena subjeknya (mary) adalah 1 orang atau tunngal,(lalu kalau jamak kata kerjanya jadi apa?)
Kalau jamak kata kerjanya "Do" saja.
1 lg cara bedainnya lihat dari kata keterangan,di kalimat ini pakai everyday,nah jadi setiap kalimat yg ada kata keterangan
Everyday,every week dst, always(selalu), sometimes(kadang2),dsbg, itu semua dikenal dengan present(waktu sekarang)
Jadi skg coba u buat kalimat pakai present simple,supaya kita tau pemahaman kamu(jangan nyontek buku ya,hehe)
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #15 on: 25 July 2010, 11:12:43 AM »
Yg kedua future simple :
Cara mengenali nya : di dalam kalimat future biasanya ada kata will,shall
Dan kata keterangan waktu biasanya pakai bentuk yg akan datang contohnya tomorrow(besok), next week(minggu depan)
Next month(bulan depan),next year(tahun depan) semua yg belum terjadi toh? Ya benar semua kalimat future itu hanya perkiraan
Contoh dalam bahasa indonesia "vi,apa yg akan kamu lihat di borobudur?"
(Mana saya tau,kan blom pergi) jadi jawabannya itu biasanya berupa rencana (gw pengen poto2 disana)

Jadi rumus nya begini:
Subjek + verb(kata kerja) + will + keterangan waktu

Coba kamu buat kalimatnya vi.
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #16 on: 25 July 2010, 11:35:36 AM »
hmmm

bedanya will/ shall dengan (be+going+ to infinitive) apa?
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #17 on: 25 July 2010, 11:55:56 AM »
 [at] npng : sama saja

Tapi penggunaanya untuk be going to itu lebih short period (segera dilakukan)
Dalam penggunaannya saat ini sudah di samakan.
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2nd,rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher;
3rd,rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation;
And 4th,rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #18 on: 25 July 2010, 12:11:30 PM »
bedanya apa ya?

1. mount dengan mountain?
2. road dengan street?

pasti dong ada bedanya..dr segi sintaks ataupun artinya...hehehe...mohon dijelasin...
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #19 on: 25 July 2010, 12:26:15 PM »
 [at] NPNG : :) ini tebak2ani atau memang anda blm tau..?
 Kalau mountain hanya 1 tapi kalau mount itu kelompok (group),
Road itu jalan (yg agak besar) sedangnya street itu lebih specific ke jalan yg lebih kecil.
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2nd,rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher;
3rd,rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation;
And 4th,rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #20 on: 25 July 2010, 12:31:29 PM »
:) pertanyaan ini hanya  untuk menguji atau memang anda blm tau..?
 Kalau mountain hanya 1 tapi kalau mount itu kelompok pegunungan,
Road itu jalan (yg agak besar) sedangnya street itu lebih specific ke jalan yg lebih kecil.

knp ada yg menyesbut everest mountain atau mount everest? buknnya street yg lbh besar dr road ya?
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #21 on: 25 July 2010, 12:38:37 PM »
oya, ada lagi...bedanya kalimat ini apa?

1. He helped me to write the essay last night.
2. He helped me write the essay last night.

mohon penjelasannya.. ^^
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #22 on: 25 July 2010, 12:44:20 PM »
Well, barusan saya liat di versi oxford kalau everest itu lebih kearah kelompok jadi Mounth everest(pegunungan himalaya)
 Kalau anda dengar versi lain silahkan di sharing.
Jadi maksudnya road itu seperti jalan lintas dan st itu lebih ke jalan yg disekitarnya banyak pemukiman.
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2nd,rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher;
3rd,rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation;
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #23 on: 25 July 2010, 12:54:35 PM »
ada lagi nih sis rina.. ;D

bedanya lonely dgn alone?
in time dgn on time?
sensible dgn sensitive?
use dgn usage?
advertisement dgn advertising?

hahaha... sori byk nanya..
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« Reply #25 on: 25 July 2010, 01:00:13 PM »
Advise      Decree      Move      Prefer      Request

Suggest   ask      Demand   Order      Propose

Require     Urge          Command    Insist   Recommend   Stipulate

saya tambahin yakk biar lengkap..

desire
request
pray
dream
vote
oblige
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #26 on: 25 July 2010, 01:08:23 PM »
Eh...sory,saya yg keliru, to harus di ikuti dengan inf, kebalik jadinya.
Ga mau main tebak2an lg ah.
Kamu yg jadi gurunya aja. Gw jadi murid. Ayuk jawap sendiri pertanyaan mu.
Gw remove postingan gw yah, karna tadi salah,supaya yg lain ga ikut2 gw bersalahan.
Sory kalau gw kelihatan sok pinter. Gw hanya sharing sedikit yg gw bisa.
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1st,rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words;
2nd,rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher;
3rd,rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation;
And 4th,rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions

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« Reply #27 on: 25 July 2010, 01:10:18 PM »
gak lah..sama2 belajar kok sis...^^
saya bertanya spy sis bisa bagi2 ilmu aja di sini...
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« Reply #28 on: 25 July 2010, 01:14:15 PM »
oya, ada lagi...bedanya kalimat ini apa?

1. He helped me to write the essay last night.
2. He helped me write the essay last night.

mohon penjelasannya.. ^^

kalimat 1: dia mengerjakan seluruh tugas untuk saya
kalimat 2: dia membantu saya mengerjakan tugas (dia tidak hanya membantu tp tdk mengerjakan seluruhnya)

keliatan kan bedanya?
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« Reply #29 on: 25 July 2010, 01:22:03 PM »
ada lagi nih sis rina.. ;D

bedanya lonely dgn alone?
in time dgn on time?
sensible dgn sensitive?
use dgn usage?
advertisement dgn advertising?

hahaha... sori byk nanya..

lonely = saya merasa kesepian di dunia ini (walaupun byk org, hanya perasaan)
alone = saya merasa kesepian di rumah (memang gak ada org di rumah)

in time = tidak telat (bisa saja lebih awal datangnya)
on time = sharp time, correct time (pas waktunya)

sensible = pandai membuat penilaian
sensitive=touchy2 gt lah

use (N) = act of putting into parctice or service
usage(N) = way in which sth is used

advertisement = mengacu > 1 particular advertisement --> (singular/plural)
advertising= mengacu pada satu particular advertisement --> uncount
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« Reply #30 on: 25 July 2010, 01:25:52 PM »
Advise      Decree      Move      Prefer      Request

Suggest   ask      Demand   Order      Propose

Require     Urge          Command    Insist   Recommend   Stipulate

saya tambahin yakk biar lengkap..

desire
request
pray
dream
vote
oblige
Yes..thanks ada di buku pelajaran Ms Leini,tapi lg dipinjam temen.dan da lama ga belajar english nih. Ajarin donk...

:) jadi sekarang udah jelas kan, bro/sis sudah tau jawabannya tapi masih sengaja tanya ke saya.
Dalam etika belajar sikap anda ini tidak disukai. Maaf sudah mengkritisi. Saya hanya eks guru TK english saja.
Belum sampai ke tingkat toefl,jadi pertanyaan anda sebagian saya bisa, yg ga bisa saya buka buku.
Kalau anda sudah tau bisa langsung share ke kita2,ga perlu merepotkan saya harus buka buku.
Maaf kalau saya cukup galak :D
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2nd,rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher;
3rd,rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation;
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #31 on: 25 July 2010, 01:28:48 PM »
saya mau share lg:

on the corner = biasanya digunakan outdoor --> antara 2 jalan
in the corner = indoor (room)

on sale =obral
for sale = dijual

break off/ break up =end



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« Reply #32 on: 25 July 2010, 01:30:19 PM »
Advise      Decree      Move      Prefer      Request

Suggest   ask      Demand   Order      Propose

Require     Urge          Command    Insist   Recommend   Stipulate

saya tambahin yakk biar lengkap..

desire
request
pray
dream
vote
oblige
Yes..thanks ada di buku pelajaran Ms Leini,tapi lg dipinjam temen.dan da lama ga belajar english nih. Ajarin donk...

:) jadi sekarang udah jelas kan, bro/sis sudah tau jawabannya tapi masih sengaja tanya ke saya.
Dalam etika belajar sikap anda ini tidak disukai. Maaf sudah mengkritisi. Saya hanya eks guru TK english saja.
Belum sampai ke tingkat toefl,jadi pertanyaan anda sebagian saya bisa, yg ga bisa saya buka buku.
Kalau anda sudah tau bisa langsung share ke kita2,ga perlu merepotkan saya harus buka buku.
Maaf kalau saya cukup galak :D

biar rame ini thread..spy ga adem2 aja..hahhaha
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #33 on: 25 July 2010, 01:43:46 PM »
[at] yi fang : Sorry 4 late reply,

Jadi gini perbedaan yg paling sederhana adalah ;
Present : saat ini sedangkan future :masa mendatang(belum terjadi)

Cara bedainnya bisa dari kata kerja dan kata keterangan.
Struktur dasar kalimat nya begini
Contoh :
I am standing now

I : subjek
Am : tobe
Standing : kata kerja
Now : kata keterangan
Present simple tense(nanti ada present tense jenis lain lg,yg sdg dibahas ini yg simple)
Jadi dalam present tense kata kerjanya selalu kata kerja dasar dan
Kata keterangannya selalu pake kata keterangan yg rutin atau berjangka.
Contoh kalimatnya sbb :
Mary does her homework everyday
Ini adalah kalimat present karena : does : kata kerja dasar (lalu kenapa pake es dibelakang?)
Pake es karena subjeknya (mary) adalah 1 orang atau tunngal,(lalu kalau jamak kata kerjanya jadi apa?)
Kalau jamak kata kerjanya "Do" saja.
1 lg cara bedainnya lihat dari kata keterangan,di kalimat ini pakai everyday,nah jadi setiap kalimat yg ada kata keterangan
Everyday,every week dst, always(selalu), sometimes(kadang2),dsbg, itu semua dikenal dengan present(waktu sekarang)
Jadi skg coba u buat kalimat pakai present simple,supaya kita tau pemahaman kamu(jangan nyontek buku ya,hehe)

sometimes i go to market with my family.
every week i was always help my mother.
every night i was always washing my clothes

Yg kedua future simple :
Cara mengenali nya : di dalam kalimat future biasanya ada kata will,shall
Dan kata keterangan waktu biasanya pakai bentuk yg akan datang contohnya tomorrow(besok), next week(minggu depan)
Next month(bulan depan),next year(tahun depan) semua yg belum terjadi toh? Ya benar semua kalimat future itu hanya perkiraan
Contoh dalam bahasa indonesia "vi,apa yg akan kamu lihat di borobudur?"
(Mana saya tau,kan blom pergi) jadi jawabannya itu biasanya berupa rencana (gw pengen poto2 disana)

Jadi rumus nya begini:
Subjek + verb(kata kerja) + will + keterangan waktu

Coba kamu buat kalimatnya vi.

he will study next week.
I will help my mother tomorrow.
"Dhamma has a value beyond all wealth and should not be sold like goods in a market place."

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #34 on: 25 July 2010, 01:50:49 PM »
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sometimes i go to market with my family.
every week i was always help my mother.
every night i was always washing my clothes

every week i always help my mom.
every night i always wash my clothes.
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« Reply #35 on: 25 July 2010, 01:55:03 PM »
hmmm

bedanya will/ shall dengan (be+going+ to infinitive) apa?

maksunya: i will be going to sleep dengan i will sleep sama y?

infinitive tu ap?
"Dhamma has a value beyond all wealth and should not be sold like goods in a market place."

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« Reply #36 on: 25 July 2010, 02:09:10 PM »
oya, ada lagi...bedanya kalimat ini apa?

1. He helped me to write the essay last night.
2. He helped me write the essay last night.

mohon penjelasannya.. ^^

kalimat 1: dia mengerjakan seluruh tugas untuk saya
kalimat 2: dia membantu saya mengerjakan tugas (dia tidak hanya membantu tp tdk mengerjakan seluruhnya)

keliatan kan bedanya?

22nya kan membantu, k0q yang no 2 jd g membantu? ???
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #37 on: 25 July 2010, 02:21:02 PM »
oya, ada lagi...bedanya kalimat ini apa?

1. He helped me to write the essay last night.
2. He helped me write the essay last night.

mohon penjelasannya.. ^^

kalimat 1: dia mengerjakan seluruh tugas untuk saya
kalimat 2: dia membantu saya mengerjakan tugas (dia tidak hanya membantu tp tdk mengerjakan seluruhnya)

keliatan kan bedanya?

22nya kan membantu, k0q yang no 2 jd g membantu? ???

oh maksdnya..kalimat ke dua dia membantu tapi ga mengerjakan semuanya...
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« Reply #38 on: 25 July 2010, 02:24:23 PM »
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sometimes i go to market with my family.
every week i was always help my mother.
every night i was always washing my clothes

every week i always help my mom.
every night i always wash my clothes.

beda pemakaian mom n mother ap?
"Dhamma has a value beyond all wealth and should not be sold like goods in a market place."

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« Reply #39 on: 25 July 2010, 02:28:25 PM »
 Mom, Mother, Momma, Mama, Mum

Mom,Momma : american style
Mother: universal
Mama, MUm : UK style
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« Reply #40 on: 25 July 2010, 02:31:50 PM »
Cara bedainnya bisa dari kata kerja dan kata keterangan.
Struktur dasar kalimat nya begini
Contoh :
I am standing now

I : subjek
Am : tobe
Standing : kata kerja
Now : kata keterangan
Present simple tense(nanti ada present tense jenis lain lg,yg sdg dibahas ini yg simple)
Jadi dalam present tense kata kerjanya selalu kata kerja dasar dan
Kata keterangannya selalu pake kata keterangan yg rutin atau berjangka.

ci rina, jd jenis lain present tense yg gmn lagi? n ap bedany ma yg pake kata kerja dasar dngan kata kerja yg +ing d belakang?
"Dhamma has a value beyond all wealth and should not be sold like goods in a market place."

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« Reply #41 on: 25 July 2010, 02:38:18 PM »
ci rina, auxilialy tu yg gmn y? kata guru ad dlm kalimat tanya. bs tlg jlasin g?
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« Reply #42 on: 25 July 2010, 02:41:36 PM »
ci rina, auxilialy tu yg gmn y? kata guru ad dlm kalimat tanya. bs tlg jlasin g?

auxilary verb: follwed by base form (eg: can, may, will, should,etc)
helping verb : follwed by present participate (eg: are, is, were, etc) or past participate (eg: has, have, had, etc)

jd ga semua klmt tanya punya auxilary..
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« Reply #43 on: 25 July 2010, 02:46:42 PM »
Cara bedainnya bisa dari kata kerja dan kata keterangan.
Struktur dasar kalimat nya begini
Contoh :
I am standing now

I : subjek
Am : tobe
Standing : kata kerja
Now : kata keterangan
Present simple tense(nanti ada present tense jenis lain lg,yg sdg dibahas ini yg simple)
Jadi dalam present tense kata kerjanya selalu kata kerja dasar dan
Kata keterangannya selalu pake kata keterangan yg rutin atau berjangka.

ci rina, jd jenis lain present tense yg gmn lagi? n ap bedany ma yg pake kata kerja dasar dngan kata kerja yg +ing d belakang?

yg biasa pake -ing form itu menandakan kejadian sedang berlangsung...
sednagkan kalo bentuk verb-nya kata kerja dasar..itu menandakan kebiasaan (seperti kalimat yi fang tadi) --> i go to school, i go washing dishes everyday.
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« Reply #44 on: 25 July 2010, 02:52:49 PM »
waduh..master english an_atta uda dtg nih...kaboor akh..
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #45 on: 25 July 2010, 03:03:47 PM »
hmmm

bedanya will/ shall dengan (be+going+ to infinitive) apa?


[at] npng : sama saja

Tapi penggunaanya untuk be going to itu lebih short period (segera dilakukan)
Dalam penggunaannya saat ini sudah di samakan.

 [at] Rina Hong, _/\_

Is the form "to be going to" used to indicate action that is to be done immediately?
or is it the function of the pattern "to be about to" ?

From what I have learned, the form "to be going to" is used to state a plan or an intention; while to indicate something to be done right after the speaker finishes speaking, I usually use the form "to be about to".

Looking forward to your advice.
Thanking you in advance.

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« Reply #46 on: 25 July 2010, 03:09:34 PM »
hmmm

bedanya will/ shall dengan (be+going+ to infinitive) apa?


[at] npng : sama saja

Tapi penggunaanya untuk be going to itu lebih short period (segera dilakukan)
Dalam penggunaannya saat ini sudah di samakan.

 [at] Rina Hong, _/\_

Is the form "to be going to" used to indicate action that is to be done immediately?
or is it the function of the pattern "to be about to" ?

From what I have learned, the form "to be going to" is used to state a plan or an intention; while to indicate something to be done right after the speaker finishes speaking, I usually use the form "to be about to".

Looking forward to your advice.
Thanking you in advance.


jawabnnya berarti sama aja kayak sis rina..cuman bro an_atta lebih mendetail..^^
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« Reply #47 on: 25 July 2010, 03:11:56 PM »
waduh..master english an_atta uda dtg nih...kaboor akh..

 [at] NPNG,
I'm not a master in English, I'm just an avid learner in foreign languages: English and Chinese, however I still need to learn a lot, and I have learned something from your questions and explanation.
Thank you very much _/\_

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« Reply #48 on: 25 July 2010, 04:02:55 PM »
 [at] NPNG : thanks, if that so....
lets discuss more, i'm not very good in grammar, also when i was a teacher, I study at home before going to teach.

i hope this thread can remind us about grammar that we have learn before.

^-^ so now... NPNG is a questioner, anattha is an replier... (hehehe)(I'm obsever only)
agree??

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #49 on: 25 July 2010, 04:32:32 PM »
I think this is "English grammar" thread. If there is any questions about vocabulary, let's share at another thread. *just advising...

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« Reply #50 on: 25 July 2010, 07:47:25 PM »
^-^ so now... NPNG is a questioner, anattha is an replier... (hehehe)(I'm obsever only)
agree??

Thank you very much for the trust, if there is something that I can help, please kindly let me know. Hopefully we can improve our English together. :)

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« Reply #51 on: 25 July 2010, 08:48:11 PM »
mau bagi2 ilmu nih..mudah2an berguna

1. fail

Rule:
a. {S+ fail + infinitive}
b { S + fail + in + noun}

nb: "fail in" can not be followed by gerund

2. forbid

rule:
a. forbid + gerund
b. forbid + object form+ infinitive
c. forbid + possessive form + gerund

forbid can not take preposition from

3. stop

a. stop + inf  --> begin the action, misalnya: stop to work; it's time to work
b stop + gerund --> cease the action, misalnya: stop working; it's time to rest

beda kan??

4. a. regret, forget+remember + inf --> the action in the inf is the second action
b regret, forget, remember + gerund -->  the action in the gerund is the first action

5. try + inf --> berusaha
try + gerund --> mencoba-coba

6.

advise, allow, permit, suggest + gerund
advise, allow, permit, suggest + possessive adjective + gerund
advise, allow, permit, suggest + object form + infinitive
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #52 on: 02 August 2010, 10:32:33 PM »
ci rina, yg   future possible,   present unreal,   past unreal   gmn?
ble minta tlg jelasin g?
g ngerti neh..

 ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #53 on: 11 August 2010, 02:55:49 PM »
Namaste Sis Rina & Sis Yi Fang _/\_
Yi Fang, are you talking about the "if clause"?

If you don't mind, I'll try to answer your question, the references for these explanation below are gotten from: http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/en/grammar/if.htm ,
http://www.edufind.com/english/grammar/if1.cfm ,
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conditional2.htm with some modifications.

You may check those websites for a more complete explanation or search from the google with the keyword: "if clause".

There are three types of the if-clauses.

Type I : Condition possible to fulfill (real conditional sentences); can be fulfilled if the condition in the if-clause is fulfilled.
Type II: unreal conditional sentences in the present - contrary to the fact at the present time.
Type III: unreal conditional sentences in the past. - contrary to the fact in the past.

PATTERNS:
type    if clause            main clause

I    Simple Present     will + infinitive
II    Simple Past             would + infinitive
III    Past Perfect            would + have + past participle

The Type 1 conditional, where the tense in the 'if clause is the simple present, and the tense in the main clause is the simple future.
Uses of the Conditional

   1. First conditional
         1. Nature: Open condition, what is said in the condition is possible.
         2. Time: This condition refers either to present or to future time.
            e.g. If he is late, we will have to go without him.
            If my mother knows about this, we are in serious trouble.

The Type 2 conditional, where the tense in the 'if' clause is the simple past, and the tense in the main clause is the past future tense.
Second conditional

   1. Nature: unreal (impossible) or improbable situations.
   2. Time: present; the TENSE is past, but we are talking about the present, now
e.g., If I became president, I would change the social security system. (Said by a schoolboy: improbable)

The Type 3 conditional, where the tense in the 'if' clause is the past perfect, and the tense in the main clause is the past future perfect.
   1. Nature: unreal
   2. Time: Past (so we are talking about a situation that was not so in the past.)
      e.g. If you had warned me, I would not have told your father about that party. (But you didn't, and I have).

If you have any doubts about the English vocabularies, you may check them at: http://uuu.sederet.com/translate.php
Hope it helps. :)

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« Reply #54 on: 13 August 2010, 01:25:26 PM »
SIs an :
can you please explain this subject in Indonesia?
some beginner may be don't understand.

Thanks,
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« Reply #55 on: 14 August 2010, 09:25:19 PM »
ci annata, ble minta tlg pke b. indo z g??
c0zny, g ngerti pk b. ing... ;D
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #56 on: 21 August 2010, 09:13:48 PM »
Hii all...

Mohon bimbingannya yach...
bahasa inggris aku juga sedikit2 gt....
Aku paling kesulitan kalo pada ucapan..gimana yach???

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #57 on: 24 August 2010, 04:25:56 PM »
Hii all...

Mohon bimbingannya yach...
bahasa inggris aku juga sedikit2 gt....
Aku paling kesulitan kalo pada ucapan..gimana yach???

Menurut aku, hrs banyak latihan dan beranikan ngomong walaupun grammar itu salah.. Karena dengan begitu, kamu akan belajar dari kesalahan yang kamu perbuat

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #58 on: 03 September 2010, 03:07:27 PM »
Rina, how old are you?
ur english is very good. :)

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #59 on: 03 September 2010, 05:43:17 PM »
Namaste Sis Rina & Sis Yi Fang _/\_
Yi Fang, are you talking about the "if clause"?

If you don't mind, I'll try to answer your question, the references for these explanation below are gotten from: http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/en/grammar/if.htm ,
http://www.edufind.com/english/grammar/if1.cfm ,
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conditional2.htm with some modifications.

You may check those websites for a more complete explanation or search from the google with the keyword: "if clause".

There are three types of the if-clauses.

Type I : Condition possible to fulfill (real conditional sentences); can be fulfilled if the condition in the if-clause is fulfilled.
Type II: unreal conditional sentences in the present - contrary to the fact at the present time.
Type III: unreal conditional sentences in the past. - contrary to the fact in the past.

PATTERNS:
type    if clause            main clause

I    Simple Present     will + infinitive
II    Simple Past             would + infinitive
III    Past Perfect            would + have + past participle

The Type 1 conditional, where the tense in the 'if clause is the simple present, and the tense in the main clause is the simple future.
Uses of the Conditional

   1. First conditional
         1. Nature: Open condition, what is said in the condition is possible.
         2. Time: This condition refers either to present or to future time.
            e.g. If he is late, we will have to go without him.
            If my mother knows about this, we are in serious trouble.

The Type 2 conditional, where the tense in the 'if' clause is the simple past, and the tense in the main clause is the past future tense.
Second conditional

   1. Nature: unreal (impossible) or improbable situations.
   2. Time: present; the TENSE is past, but we are talking about the present, now
e.g., If I became president, I would change the social security system. (Said by a schoolboy: improbable)

The Type 3 conditional, where the tense in the 'if' clause is the past perfect, and the tense in the main clause is the past future perfect.
   1. Nature: unreal
   2. Time: Past (so we are talking about a situation that was not so in the past.)
      e.g. If you had warned me, I would not have told your father about that party. (But you didn't, and I have).

If you have any doubts about the English vocabularies, you may check them at: http://uuu.sederet.com/translate.php
Hope it helps. :)


Referensi penjelasan ini diambil dari link dibawah ini:
http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/en/grammar/if.htm]http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/en/grammar/if.htm[/url] ,
http://www.edufind.com/english/grammar/if1.cfm]http://www.edufind.com/english/grammar/if1.cfm[/url] ,
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conditional2.htm]http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/conditional2.htm[/url] with some modifications.

Ada 3 Tipe if-clause:
1.   Tipe pertama : Kondisi yang memungkinkan untuk dipenuhi (kalimat pengandaian yang nyata); dapat dipenuhi jika kondisi dalam if-clause dipenuhi
2.   Tipe Kedua : Kondisi tidak nyata dalam kehidupan sehari-hari-berlawanan dengan fakta kehidupan sehari-hari
3.   Tipe Ketiga: Kondisi tidak nyata di masa lampau – berlawanan dengan fakta di masa lampau

Pola ;

Tipe    if clause            main clause[/b]
I    Simple Present     will + infinitive
II    Simple Past             would + infinitive
III    Past Perfect            would + have + past participle

Catatan:
Infinitive : verb 1 misalnya take, verb 1 tetap take.

Contoh tipe2 if clause:

1.   Tipe Pertama
         1. Kondisi terbuka, apa yang dikatakan bisa saja terjadi
         2. Waktu: Kondisi tersebut mewakili kehidupan sehari-hari

            Contoh: If he is late, we will have to go without him.
                  If my mother knows about this, we are in serious trouble.

      Jika dia telat, kami akan pergi tanpa dia
      Jika ibu kami tahu mengenai hal ini, kami akan dapat masalah serius
2.   Tipe kedua
Jika kondisi tersebut dalam bentuk masa lampau dan if-clause yang digunakan di masa lampau juga.
Kondisi yang tidak mungkin terjadi
Waktu : membicarakan masa kini tapi menggunakan kata di masa lampau



Contoh:
 If I became president, I would change the social security system. (Said by a schoolboy: improbable)

Jika saya menjadi presiden, saya akan merubah system keamanan social ( Kata seorang murid : kenyataannya tidak mungkin terjadi)

Tipe Ketiga:

Dimana tense yang digunakan if-clause adalah past perfect dan tense utama nya ada past future perfect
   1. Keadaan: Tidak nyata
   2. Waktu: Lampau(Past) – jadi kita membicarakan situasi dimana sebenarnya tidak terjadi benar di masa lampau
Contoh:

 If you had warned me, I would not have told your father about that party. (But you didn't, and I have).

Jika (A) kamu telah memperingatiku, (B) aku tidak akan memberitahu ayahmu mengenai pesta itu (kenyataannya A tidak memperingati B dan B telah memberitahu ayahnya mengenai pesta itu)

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #60 on: 06 September 2010, 12:46:36 PM »
Rina, how old are you?
ur english is very good. :)

not so good la.. :)
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #61 on: 04 October 2010, 09:03:47 AM »
ci rina, le mnta tlg ajarin ing g?

yang ttg wish, if only, as if/as though, n would rather..
 ;D ;D ;D
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #62 on: 04 October 2010, 09:22:35 AM »
ci rina, le mnta tlg ajarin ing g?

yang ttg wish, if only, as if/as though, n would rather..
 ;D ;D ;D
fang,

menurut gua, u lebih baik beli buku grammar dulu, baca trus tanya disini deh
Klo disini jelasin terus u gak baca dari buku dan pahami dulu. Semua jd percuma
Apa perlu rekomendasi buku grammar yg bagus?

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #63 on: 16 October 2010, 06:28:34 PM »
ci rina, le mnta tlg ajarin ing g?

yang ttg wish, if only, as if/as though, n would rather..
 ;D ;D ;D
fang,

menurut gua, u lebih baik beli buku grammar dulu, baca trus tanya disini deh
Klo disini jelasin terus u gak baca dari buku dan pahami dulu. Semua jd percuma
Apa perlu rekomendasi buku grammar yg bagus?

sebenarnya grammar paling gampang loh di antara semua bhs inggris..menurut gw vocabulary yang paling susah...

kalo secara praktikal, menurut gw speaking lbh susah drpd listening..speaking di sini bukan dalam artian percakapan sehari2 (conversation)..tapi menemukan ide untuk menjawab pertanyaan lawan dimana dibatasi oleh waktu..
No matter how dirty my past is,my future is still spotless

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #64 on: 14 December 2010, 11:16:28 AM »
yuk speak in english...

yang penting, bs speak en understanded lah...

percuma jago grammar en vocab kalo gak berani ngemeng...

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #65 on: 19 December 2010, 09:44:33 AM »
altristina: you can communicate with me,  :)

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #66 on: 18 March 2011, 11:38:28 AM »
mau tanya...
kalimat she said she will go ato she said she would go? mana yang benar n apa perbedaannya?
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« Reply #67 on: 18 March 2011, 12:06:21 PM »
Quote from: www.bbc.co.uk
3. Would (or the contracted form 'd) is sometimes used as an alternative to 'used to' when discussing past habits:
'When we were young, we would spend (we'd spend) every summer holiday at the sea-side.'
'You would find him (you'd find him) sitting at the bar every lunchtime, drinking that strong black beer and chatting to the bartender until one day he was there no longer.'
Would is also used to make polite requests:
'Would you be prepared to do all this work by yourself without any assistance?'
'Would you (be so kind as to) pick Jennifer up from school on Monday?'
Would (or its contracted form 'd in conversational English) is also associated with the conditional in its simple, progressive, perfect and passive aspects:
'There's no doubt about it. I would definitely (I'd definitely) travel to Mexico with you, if I could afford it.'
'You would still be (you'd still be) working for the World Bank, if you hadn't kicked up such a fuss.'
'I would have told you (I'd have told you) all about it, if you had phoned me.'
'If you wore smarter clothes, you would be invited (you'd be invited) to all the press conferences.'

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #68 on: 18 March 2011, 08:39:49 PM »
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kl gt abis "said" bole present tense ga?
She said that she will go there tomorrow boleh ya?

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #69 on: 02 April 2011, 08:47:12 PM »
halooooooooooooooo


ada yang tau bedanya "the person concerned" dengan "the concerned person"???

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #70 on: 02 April 2011, 08:56:58 PM »
The person concerned kan Subject n verb2, kalo the concerned person tu Noun(menceritakan orgnya)

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #71 on: 02 April 2011, 09:10:16 PM »
The person concerned kan Subject n verb2, kalo the concerned person tu Noun(menceritakan orgnya)


the concerned person = yang bersangkutan
the person concerned = yang bersangkutan

trus bedanya apa ya?
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #72 on: 02 April 2011, 09:40:59 PM »
Kayanya ga ad bedanya
Contohnya
The frightened boy ->the boy that is frightened
Reduced adjective clauses
If there is no subject coming after a relative pronoun, the adjective clause can be reduce by omitting the relative pronoun(who/which/that) and the auxiliary verb.
Jd the boy that is frightened bs disingkat menjadi the boy frightened.

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« Reply #73 on: 26 July 2011, 11:29:18 PM »
Bro Johan, if you don't mind, I'd like to share my opinion on this matter, please CMIIW.
IMHO "practice makes perfect" is a universal idea, thus the word "practice" does not refer to singularity.

same thing as: "The snake is a dangerous creature"
due to its universal idea, it does not merely refer to one snake, but to all snakes.
or
“To dream anything that you want to dream. That's the beauty of the human mind"
The word "human" there does not refer to one single human only, but to all human beings.


Sori perbaikan sedikit,

Ketika kamu memakai "the" berarti benda setelah kata tersebut adalah definite(tertentu) maksudnya adalah benda yang sama2 diketahui pembicara dan pendengar. Jadi dalam konteks "The snake is a dangerous creature" mengacu ke ular yang mungkin saja merupakan peliharaan pembicara/pendengar ataupun ular yang sedang mereka lihat di suatu tempat secara bersama. Jadi jika kita ingin mengacu ke ular dalam konteks umum, jangan pakai "the" (NO ARTICLE) sehingga menjadi
"Snakes are dangerous creatures"

Kenapa "snake+s?" Karena umum(yang Anda maksudkan Universal idea), dan ular adalah benda yg bisa dihitung dlm B.Inggris (countable noun) maka diwajibkan berada dalam bentuk jamak(Plural). Sama halnya dengan "creature+s"

Sekarang kita ke pokok pembahasan mengenai "practice". Practice adalah kata benda yang tidak bisa dihitung dalam B.Inggris (uncountable noun) maka dalam pemakaiannya, selalu dianggap tunggal(Singular) sehingga Practice make+s perfect.

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« Reply #74 on: 13 August 2011, 09:44:04 PM »

Sori perbaikan sedikit,

Ketika kamu memakai "the" berarti benda setelah kata tersebut adalah definite(tertentu) maksudnya adalah benda yang sama2 diketahui pembicara dan pendengar. Jadi dalam konteks "The snake is a dangerous creature" mengacu ke ular yang mungkin saja merupakan peliharaan pembicara/pendengar ataupun ular yang sedang mereka lihat di suatu tempat secara bersama. Jadi jika kita ingin mengacu ke ular dalam konteks umum, jangan pakai "the" (NO ARTICLE) sehingga menjadi
"Snakes are dangerous creatures"

Kenapa "snake+s?" Karena umum(yang Anda maksudkan Universal idea), dan ular adalah benda yg bisa dihitung dlm B.Inggris (countable noun) maka diwajibkan berada dalam bentuk jamak(Plural). Sama halnya dengan "creature+s"

Sekarang kita ke pokok pembahasan mengenai "practice". Practice adalah kata benda yang tidak bisa dihitung dalam B.Inggris (uncountable noun) maka dalam pemakaiannya, selalu dianggap tunggal(Singular) sehingga Practice make+s perfect.

salam

both of them are correct, as grammatical they are correct :)
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2nd,rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher;
3rd,rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation;
And 4th,rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #75 on: 13 August 2011, 10:10:11 PM »
halooooooooooooooo


ada yang tau bedanya "the person concerned" dengan "the concerned person"???



:) sorry for late reply.

the difference is the structure

concerned people = adj+noun  means org" yg khawatir --> example : the concerned people are holding a strike....

people concerned = noun + clause --> example : people concerned with the traffic, are holding a strike... = orang" yang perduli lalu lintas (must be followed by clause)

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3rd,rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation;
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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #76 on: 22 October 2012, 04:23:23 PM »
Kalau dalam 1 kalimat ada campur english USA ama UK bole ga ya? Lebih bagus yang mana?

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Re: English Grammar
« Reply #77 on: 22 October 2012, 05:18:01 PM »
Kalau dalam 1 kalimat ada campur english USA ama UK bole ga ya? Lebih bagus yang mana?

contoh kalimatnya ?

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« Reply #78 on: 23 October 2012, 09:30:42 AM »
contoh kalimatnya ?
mis i met my neighbour at the theater yesterday. hrsnya i met my neighbor at the theater yesterday atau i met my neighbour at the theatre yesterday kan?

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« Reply #79 on: 24 October 2012, 07:36:39 AM »
mis i met my neighbour at the theater yesterday. hrsnya i met my neighbor at the theater yesterday atau i met my neighbour at the theatre yesterday kan?

woww...
kalau untuk tulisan formal
pake versi US aja...

kalo untuk komunikasi dengan org eropa
pake versi UK, biar lebih keren. hehehe

kalo untuk chatting, informal, dll
terserah deg, hardly anybody will notice the difference

 

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