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Turut bersamvegacitta atas Kemangkatan Somdhet Phra Nyanasamvara, Somdhet Sangharaja Thailand
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Re: Bersamvegacitta ??
« Reply #5 on: 25 October 2013, 04:19:39 PM »
Turut bersamvegacitta atas Kemangkatan...

yakin benar ga, bro istilah ini?
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samvega = semangat keterdesakan, biasanya diikuti pada latihan meditasi unt realisasi magga & phala.
inggrisnya: sense of urgency.


mungkin ada maksud lain dr penulis ttg maksud tulisan tsb.




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yakin benar ga, bro istilah ini?

tidak tahu juga ! saya hanya ikut ketik dari teman yang mengabari
maaf jika memang ada kesalahan
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^ ^ ^

sebetulnya saya juga ga tau, benar atau tidak. Hanya terpana aja liat istilah baru.. Haha..

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Anicca vata sankhara, uppadavaya dhammino, uppajitva nirujjhanti, tesam vuposamo sukho. ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^

Beliau wafat di hari kelahirannya (selisih sedikit), tentunya merupakan hasil latihan beliau selama ini juga meditasi, biasanya orang2 yang telah mencapai tingkatan tertentu dalam meditasi meninggal dihari kelahirannya. Sang Buddha yang telah mencapai penerangan sempurna pun meninggal dihari kelahirannya. ^:)^
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Beliau wafat di hari kelahirannya (selisih sedikit), tentunya merupakan hasil latihan beliau selama ini juga meditasi, biasanya orang2 yang telah mencapai tingkatan tertentu dalam meditasi meninggal dihari kelahirannya. Sang Buddha yang telah mencapai penerangan sempurna pun meninggal dihari kelahirannya. ^:)^

Udah ada penelitiannya, oma?

Btw, wafatnya Sang Buddha menurut beberapa penelitian kemungkinan tidak sama dengan hari kelahirannya....
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Udah ada penelitiannya, oma?

Btw, wafatnya Sang Buddha menurut beberapa penelitian kemungkinan tidak sama dengan hari kelahirannya....
Penelitian saya belum melakukan bro  ;D
Tetapi hanya mengaca pada kisah sang Buddha yang juga meninggal di hari kelahirannya.
Bila sang Buddha menurut penelitian kelahiran dan wafatnya beda, jadi yang benar kapan ?
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Penelitian saya belum melakukan bro  ;D
Tetapi hanya mengaca pada kisah sang Buddha yang juga meninggal di hari kelahirannya.
Bila sang Buddha menurut penelitian kelahiran dan wafatnya beda, jadi yang benar kapan ?

Kepercayaan tradisional Theravada memang menyatakan hari kematian Sang Buddha sama dg hari kelahirannya, tetapi menurut penelitian atas Mahaparinibbana Sutta sepertinya beda:

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The passing away of the Buddha took place, according to the discourse, in the third watch of the night that is between 2 o’clock and 6 o’clock in the morning. Thera Anuruddha and Thera Ananda spent the rest of the night in religious conversation and in the morning, Ananda, on the request of Anuruddha, conveyed the message of the Buddha’s passing away at Upavattana Sala Grove to the Mallas.64 What is problematic to the student of history is the date of this significant event of the Teacher’s demise. Had it taken place on the full moon day of Vesak (April–May)?

Many scholars have attempted to arrive at a conclusion with the aid of internal as well as external data, but unfortunately their conclusions differ considerably. The facts and figures found in the Sutta in this regard, would undoubtedly enable us to look into the structure of the Sutta from a historical perspective. The Sutta does not specifically mention that it had happened on the full moon day of Vesak (Pali, Vesàkha). According to the discourse it is to be concluded that the Buddha relinquished His span of life at the beginning of the rains retreat.65 Therefore it could not be taken to mean the full moon of Vesak in the following year, as the Buddha had specifically stated that He would pass away in three months time. The retreat begins from the full moon of June–July (âsàlha). Are we to conclude that the discrepancy is due to a missing link, as it were, of the Mahaparinibbana Sutta? However it is advisable to analyse the data found in the Mahaparinibbana Sutta in this connection in order to understand the sequence of events.

Thomas was precarious about the traditionally ascribed day of the Buddha’s passing away. He preferred to identify a date somewhere in December as the date of the Buddha’s demise. Analysing the data found in the Sutta he says: “These data imply that it took place at the end of December and this agrees with the statement that the sala trees were in flower out of season. Later tradition however places the day on the full moon day of Vesakha (April–May) which was also the day of His birth and Enlightenment.”66 Obviously, he has counted three months onwards from the conclusion of rains retreat.67 If it happened in April–May he contended that the statement as to the sala trees being in bloom out of season held no water, for sala trees usually begin to bloom by the beginning of March.68

Although the Buddha observed the rains retreat in the village called Beluva, no Pavarana at the end of the third month is mentioned nor any reference to the Buddha’s continuous staying at the place.

Buddhaghosa indeed seems to have noticed the contradiction found between the Mahaparinibbana Sutta in regard to the date of the Buddha’s demise as accepted by Theravada Buddhists all over the world by the 5th century a.d. and the date that could be deduced from the narrative of the Mahaparinibbana Sutta. Hence in his commentaries on the Vinaya and the Digha Nikaya he tried to solve the contradiction by saying that the Buddha having subdued his physical pain entered into a stage of meditative absorption so that the pain may not arise for the forthcoming ten months. Thereby of course, Buddhaghosa could have prolonged the date of the passing away until April-May of the following year.69 The Sutta however does not state how long the Buddha had to bear up under the physical suffering caused by dysentery worsened by Chunda’s food.

It is clear that Buddhaghosa’s attempt was to justify the tradition which was in vogue during his time by extending the event up to the full moon day of Vesakha of the following year. The commentator seems to have fallen into difficulty by his attempt to extend the period. Because, in order to avoid the discrepancy between the text and the tradition which had been firmly fixed by the time, Buddhaghosa came out with a different discussion deviating from the text, portraying a picture of the Buddha’s wanderings of these last days of the His life. By him, Mara is brought before the Buddha when He was proceeding from Beluva to Savatthi and then to Rajagaha and again to Vesali.70 But according to the Mahaparinibbana Sutta the Buddha having set out from Nalanda proceeded towards Kusinara across Pataligama, Vesali, Pava and other cities without turning North-West for Savatthi which was some two hundred miles away from the route.71 When the Buddha was in Vesali, Mara, the Evil One, is said to have come to the Buddha saying: “Pass away now Lord, Let the Exalted One now die. Now is the time for the Exalted One to pass away.”72 Undoubtedly this request of Mara also could be easily set aside as legendary. It is to be noted that it has not been stated in the Tibetan version of the text.73

Yuang Chwang recorded that according to the Sarvastivadins the Buddha’s passing away had taken place on the eighth day of the second half of the month of Kartika i.e. October–November.74 In spite of the fact that it is contrary to the traditional view of Theravada it seems that it is somewhat closer to the sequence of events found in the Sutta. Fleet, on the other hand, arguing on data available to him conclusively asserted that the Buddha expired on the thirteenth October 483 b.c. According to him the passing away of the Buddha had taken place some sixty one years after the year generally accepted, i.e. 544 b.c.75 Wickramasinghe76 as well as Geiger77 after him accepted 483 b.c. as the year of this event. Geiger discussing the point in detail says: “Nevertheless it does seem that on the much disputed question of the year of the Buddha’s death, there is a tendency towards unison. Marked differences in views are disappearing. The accepted dates are far less removed one from another.”78 Scholars are much more concerned about the year but not the date of the demise of the Buddha. Most of them relied upon the year of consecration of Asoka found in the Sri Lankan chronicle Mahavansa.

Sumber: www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/mission-accomplished.pdf‎ (chapter 4)
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tekad yang kuat, adhiṭṭhāna citta

Anicca vata sankhara, uppadavaya dhammino, uppajitva nirujjhanti, tesam vuposamo sukho. ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^

Beliau wafat di hari kelahirannya (selisih sedikit), tentunya merupakan hasil latihan beliau selama ini juga meditasi, biasanya orang2 yang telah mencapai tingkatan tertentu dalam meditasi meninggal dihari kelahirannya. Sang Buddha yang telah mencapai penerangan sempurna pun meninggal dihari kelahirannya. ^:)^
Saccena me samo natthi, Esa me saccaparamiti

"One who sees the Dhamma sees me. One who sees me sees the Dhamma." Buddha

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Beliau wafat di hari kelahirannya (selisih sedikit), tentunya merupakan hasil latihan beliau selama ini juga meditasi, biasanya orang2 yang telah mencapai tingkatan tertentu dalam meditasi meninggal dihari kelahirannya. Sang Buddha yang telah mencapai penerangan sempurna pun meninggal dihari kelahirannya. ^:)^

imho, sebaiknya jangan menciptakan teori baru (apalagi tanpa dasar yang kuat) ;D

kesian, Buddhisme sudah banyak tambalan..
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