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Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« on: 27 March 2008, 09:38:32 PM »
Pengalaman yg luar biasa dan praktisi meditator pasti familiar dengan cerita ini...
Silakan tonton videonya, pasti gak menyesal...

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/229

Neuroanatomist Jill Bolte Taylor had an opportunity few brain scientists would wish for: One morning, she realized she was having a massive stroke. As it happened -- as she felt her brain functions slip away one by one, speech, movement, understanding -- she studied and remembered every moment. This is a powerful story about how our brains define us and connect us to the world and to one another...
* I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it
* Neo, sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path

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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #1 on: 29 March 2008, 04:02:45 PM »
baru donlod yg mp4 hi-res nya. Thanks for the link  ^:)^

So familiar and maybe hard to imagine if you never had that kind of experience before.

soal left-right brain, cukup menarik. I never had inner chat experience and I was "researching" about why I don't and most people had it. I thought I have problem.... keknya my left brain is not functioning very well atau nga dominant.

UD 1.10: Bahiya Sutta
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"Then, Bahiya, you should train yourself thus: In reference to the seen, there will be only the seen. In reference to the heard, only the heard. In reference to the sensed, only the sensed. In reference to the cognized, only the cognized. That is how you should train yourself. When for you there will be only the seen in reference to the seen, only the heard in reference to the heard, only the sensed in reference to the sensed, only the cognized in reference to the cognized, then, Bahiya, there is no you in terms of that. When there is no you in terms of that, there is no you there. When there is no you there, you are neither here nor yonder nor between the two. This, just this, is the end of stress."

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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #2 on: 29 March 2008, 04:16:01 PM »
suhu, engineer biasanya dominan left brainnya...
* I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it
* Neo, sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path

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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #3 on: 29 March 2008, 04:36:07 PM »
nah, kalo left brain biasanya engineer, ada penjelasan lain soal inner chat ? suhu ada pernah nga ?

kalau memang inner chat itu dari left brain seperti kata Dr. Jill, most engineer would have that, tapi banyak yg non technical/logical based juga ada inner chat....
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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #4 on: 29 March 2008, 05:42:58 PM »
Inner chat, mesti belajar menggunakan hati kita dalam melihat sesuatu. bagaimana caranya? ada yg bakat, ada yg dilatih. salah satunya meditasi.
Hal yg terpenting kejujuran dalam hati dan keterbukaan dalam menerima diri kita seutuhnya. Setelah itu chat ini dapat berlangsung.Dalam pengembangannya bisa berkomunikasi dengan dimensi lain.

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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #5 on: 29 March 2008, 06:41:50 PM »
om bond, justru aye berpendapat kebalikan. inner chat justru menganggu meditasi. dan meditasi yang "benar" harusnya tidak ada itu.
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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #6 on: 29 March 2008, 07:17:47 PM »
Saat meditasi utk mencapai konsentrasi mendalam, ya ngak ada inner chatnya, tapi setelah meditasi mendalam  itulah, diturunin frekwensinya, nah baru diarahkan dan dikembangkan inner chatnya dengan menggunakan hati. Karena dari meditasi kepekaan itu akan muncul _/\_
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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #7 on: 29 March 2008, 07:57:25 PM »
kalo dari "interview" ke beberapa yg punya pengalaman, katanya sih itu sambil jalan dimeditasi. beda sumber beda info :P

btw menggunakan hati itu kek apa bro bond ?
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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #8 on: 29 March 2008, 08:16:28 PM »
kalau memang inner chat itu dari left brain seperti kata Dr. Jill, most engineer would have that, tapi banyak yg non technical/logical based juga ada inner chat....
inner chat yg mana dulu neh?

kalo inner chat yg dimaksud itu adalah thought / pikiran atau istilah ajahn brahm: the doer, maka owe yakin semua orang ada. cuman saking bisingnya thought ini, maka kebanyakan orang sampe gak sadar kalo ada inner chat ini... sampe batinnya mulai2 hening dan agak tenang dikit, biasanya orang udah bisa merasakan betapa bisingnya thought yg terus2an berbicara mengenai masa depan atau masa lampau...
* I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it
* Neo, sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path

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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #9 on: 29 March 2008, 08:32:24 PM »
keknya bukan yg itu om morph, tapi kek bisa diskusi sendiri. We ask, and then the answer will come out. Jadi seperti interview. nah seperti kata om bond, katanya sih, katanya itu adalah jawaban dari hati.  ::)
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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #10 on: 29 March 2008, 08:40:43 PM »
ada yang bilang, bawah sadar mempunyai kearifan nya sendiri
*cuman saya lupa siapa yg ngomong gitu
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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #11 on: 29 March 2008, 08:48:32 PM »
keknya bukan yg itu om morph, tapi kek bisa diskusi sendiri. We ask, and then the answer will come out. Jadi seperti interview. nah seperti kata om bond, katanya sih, katanya itu adalah jawaban dari hati.  ::)

diskusi gmn mksdnya bro medho??
tanya jawab real...
tanya sendiri.. cari jawaban sendiri lalu tiba2.. cling.. dapet jawabannya??
atau ada pertanyaan atau masalah ..lalu dgn meditasi.. pada saat2 tertentu tiba2 cling ....dapat jawabannya..(tanpa ada keinginan untuk mencari jawabannya?)
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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #12 on: 30 March 2008, 01:30:51 PM »
inner chat gimana maksudnya?

apa pikiran pada saat kita merenung, membandingkan, menganalisa?

atau diskusi berbagai karakter? rasanya malah langka deh... (multiple personality)
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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #13 on: 30 March 2008, 02:01:01 PM »
nah itu dia. masih belum bisa menjelaskan dengan baik karena masih belum mengalami. Katanya sih seperti kita query ke dalam "hati" kita.

Seperti kata Dr Jill di video itu, "aku harus telp" atau "misalnya kita berkata dalam hati, What should I do? lalu muncul I have to go to school".

Mungkin jg aye nga di verbal kan dalam pikiran....
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Re: Pengalaman deep meditation atau enlightenment?
« Reply #14 on: 30 March 2008, 02:49:45 PM »
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Seperti kata Dr Jill di video itu, "aku harus telp" atau "misalnya kita berkata dalam hati, What should I do? lalu muncul I have to go to school".

kedengarannya seperti option pertama deh...
menganalisa apa yg harus dilakukan...
kalau inner chat yg kek gini, rasanya gua penuh dg inner chat kek gini... sangat jauh melebihi chat sama orang lain :))
Lepaskan keserakahan akan kesenangan. Lihatlah bahwa melepaskan dunia adalah kedamaian. Tidak ada sesuatu pun yang perlu kau raup, dan tidak ada satu pun yang perlu kau dorong pergi. ~ Buddha ~

 

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