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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1050 on: 13 October 2010, 01:57:22 PM »
btw di vihara EG itu panduannya tipitaka bukan sih? apakah mereka mempunyai tipitaka? dan apakah mereka pernah membacanya?

Mungkin belum semua.
Kayaknya mereka jauh lebih malas ketimbang bro ryu yang sudah membaca semua tipitaka. hehe.

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« Reply #1051 on: 13 October 2010, 01:58:37 PM »
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saya hanya menggunakan sumber Tipitaka, jadi saya tidak akan mengomentari sumber dari pihak lain. menanggapi sutta di atas, saya memahami bahwa dalam sutta itu dikatakan bahwa para bhikkhu, bhikkhuni, umat awam laki-laki dan umat awam perempuan yang bijaksana, disiplin, dan sebagainya adalah adornment to the Community.

saya tidak menangkap ada bagian yang mengatakan bahwa umat awam adalah Sangha

mohon petunjuk dari Bro henrychan.

Silahkan buka yang versi Ven. Dhammika.


antara Tipitaka dan Dhammika, saya cukup puas dan lebih meyakini Tipitaka, apalagi Dhammika yg cukup kontroversial ini. terlepas dari opini pihak ke 3 lainnya, apakah Bro henry sendiri tidak memiliki pendapat mengenai hal ini? apakah yg diajarkan MBI kepada pengikut2nya sehubungan dengan hal ini?

Kontroversi? apakah karena ada biku therawada yang berani mengkritik vinaya therawada?
seperti di buku The Broken Buddha.
Ini link nya :
http://www.buddhistische-gesellschaft-berlin.de/downloads/brokenbuddhanew.pdf

Walau pastinya bro Indra sudah baca buku itu, dan hanya melihatnya sebagai kontroversi saja, siapa tahu bermanfaat bagi yang lain.

Tapi btw, kalau bro Indra sendiri menterjemahkan kata2 : adornment to the Community itu apa?


saya tidak menganggap sesuatu itu kontroversial karena mengeritik vinaya therawada. (saya terpesona melihat anda menulis vinaya (pake V)). tapi dalam hal lainnya. sudah umum bagi non-theravada mengeritik Theravada, jadi ini bukanlah sesuatu yg kontroversial lagi. tapi saya ingin stick to our current topik, biarlah lain kali saja kita membahas ini.

saya menerjemahkan "adornment to the Community" sebagai "hiasan bagi komunitas", saya kira ini adalah terjemahan yg tidak membutuhkan penafsiran, bagaimana dengan bro Henry sendiri? dapatkah itu berarti "adalah Sangha"? bahkan "Community" di sana saya pahami dalam konteks yg lebih luas sebagai masyarakat bukan dalam arti Komunitas Sangha.
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« Reply #1052 on: 13 October 2010, 02:03:02 PM »

saya menerjemahkan "adornment to the Community" sebagai "hiasan bagi komunitas", saya kira ini adalah terjemahan yg tidak membutuhkan penafsiran, bagaimana dengan bro Henry sendiri? dapatkah itu berarti "adalah Sangha"? bahkan "Community" di sana saya pahami dalam konteks yg lebih luas sebagai masyarakat bukan dalam arti Komunitas Sangha.

Pendapat saya juga demikian bro Indra.
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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1053 on: 13 October 2010, 02:06:10 PM »
btw di vihara EG itu panduannya tipitaka bukan sih? apakah mereka mempunyai tipitaka? dan apakah mereka pernah membacanya?

Mungkin belum semua.
Kayaknya mereka jauh lebih malas ketimbang bro ryu yang sudah membaca semua tipitaka. hehe.

ohhh pantes aja, berarti divihara itu belajar main gitar, pesbuk dan foto ya, hmmm ok deh, aliran disono berarti bener2 modern, mantap deh.
Janganlah memperhatikan kesalahan dan hal-hal yang telah atau belum dikerjakan oleh diri sendiri. Tetapi, perhatikanlah apa yang telah dikerjakan dan apa yang belum dikerjakan oleh orang lain =))

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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1054 on: 13 October 2010, 02:13:27 PM »
baru liat di broken buddha :
Final Word
It would be easy to think that because Theravada has such ancient and apparently deep roots in Sri
Lanka, Burma, Thailand, Laos and Cambodia that it will be there forever. But this would be a
dangerous assumption. Religions allegiances can and do change very fast, particularly in the
modern world. For eight hundred years Buddhism flourished in Udyana in what is now northern
Pakistan but for reasons that are not clear it eventually withered away. When the Chinese pilgrim
Hiuen Tsang visited in the 7th century (before the advent of Islam it should be noted) he was able to
write; ‘There are some 1400 old monasteries although they are now generally ruined and desolate.
Formerly there were some 18,000 monks in them but gradually their numbers have dwindled so that
now there are very few.’ For nearly a millennia Indonesians were predominately Buddhist or Hindu
and they raised spectacular monuments to their respective faiths. But within a remarkably short
period and without any apparent persecution both gave way to Islam. During a recent visit to
Cambodia I was shocked to see how many evangelical Christian churches there were and how many
people they attracted. Just thirty years ago there were almost no Christians in the country, now they
make up a significant minority and all indications are that their numbers will continue to grow.
When one sees the smiling but passive and backward-looking Cambodian monks it is hard be
optimistic about the future of the Dhamma in that unlucky country. Theravadins congratulate
themselves that their Buddhism is taking the West by storm but the statistics do not bear this out.
Many more people are attracted to yoga and Vedantic groups let alone to Tibetan and Zen
Buddhism. More tellingly, evangelical Christianity is growing much faster in Theravadin countries
than Theravada is growing in the West. And of course Christian missionaries are many times more
motivated, better prepared and well financed than their Buddhist counterparts. Whatever
Theravada’s future in Asia it certainly has no long term future in the West. Western Buddhists must
develop confidence enough to stop accommodating Theravada, rationalize it or copying it. At
present Western societies are very receptive to all types of Buddhism but there is no guarantee that
this trend will continue. It would be a tragedy if Buddhism fails to take advantage of this rare and
wonderful opportunity. Now is the time to evolve a new Buddhism that can speak to a new
millennium.
Andhakarena onaddha padipam na gavessatha?
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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1055 on: 13 October 2010, 02:14:15 PM »
APPENDIX
This first article appeared in the pages of the Maha Bodhi Journal in 1931. I reprint it here because
it is the earliest example I have found of a Western Buddhist monk seeing the need for renewal in
the Theravadin Sangha and giving suggestions, however briefly, as to how this might be done.
Although the author’s language is awkward and dated his sincerity is still evident as is his
frustration and disillusionment. The article is of interest also because it shows that all the absurdity
and corruption that Prajnananda was familiar with are still alive and well more than seventy years
later. If anything has changed it is that the world has moved on while the Sangha has not thus
putting it even further behind. As for Bhikkhu Prajnananda himself, I have been unable to find out
anything about him other than that he was an Englishman. After making his brief and futile appeal
he disappeared from history, almost certainly to disrobe. Like many Westerners before and since he
no doubt entered the Sangha believing that it would enable him to soar to the spiritual heights only
to find himself weighed down by medieval superstition and nonsensical formalism. The second
article was written under a pseudonym by a senior Sri Lankan civil servant and leading lay Buddhist
and was published on Vesak 1997 in The Buddhist, the organ of The Young Men’s Buddhist
Association. That such a conservative body as the YMBA should publish this unusually blunt
article suggests that even they can no longer deny or hide the crisis in the Sri Lankan Sangha. To
head off charges that some of my observations about Asian Theravadins are due to an ‘inherent
Western sense of superiority’ or that I am really an agent for Catholic Action I reproduce this article
here to show what a few thoughtful and honest Sri Lankans think about the state of Theravada in
their country. I have made a few minor changes to this article for the sake of clarity.
Janganlah memperhatikan kesalahan dan hal-hal yang telah atau belum dikerjakan oleh diri sendiri. Tetapi, perhatikanlah apa yang telah dikerjakan dan apa yang belum dikerjakan oleh orang lain =))

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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1056 on: 13 October 2010, 02:15:20 PM »
The Reform of the Sangha
Bhikkhu Prajnananda
If Buddhism is to keep its rightful place amongst the religions of the world and become an
increasing power for progress and enlightenment, the whole subject of the position and condition of
the Sangha will have to be examined. Already prominent laymen in Burma, Siam, Ceylon, and
elsewhere, view with misgivings the present state of affairs and know that sooner or later some
alterations will have to be made. Nearly everyone sees signs of decay in the Order, that Order that
has continued for 2500 years, but today there are new conditions and forces in the world and unless
something radical is done this decay will increase until either the Sangha dies out, or becomes a
dead letter, the refuge of the ignorant and unworthy.
The Buddha very wisely laid down rules for admission to the Order, that youths should be of good
character, high minded, not physically defective or suffering from disease, yet such rules are sadly
neglected today, and we find men wearing the Robe to whom not one of these conditions would
apply. And the great difficulty is this, the laymen are not sufficiently organized to promote much
needed reforms and the monks are afraid to modernize certain Vinaya rules for fear of offending the
laymen.
Again, the Buddha showed his wisdom by admitting that many of these rules would not be suitable
for all times and conditions, and allowed a modification of them when necessary. This was done in
the Mahayana by Tsongkapa with most excellent results, but in the Hinayana none of the Theras
have been courageous or strong enough to adapt these rules to modern conditions, with the result
that the Sangha is now overburdened with many worn out customs, traditions and observances
which have become useless and in some cases quite harmful. Many of the rules were doubtless
necessary in ancient times but under modern conditions have become quite unreasonable. I could
quote a whole list, some of them most laughable, and it is an insult to the intelligence of the Buddha
to suppose that he would tolerate or support them. For example, here in Burma, in the afternoon a
Bhikkhu can drink iced mineral water but not hot water, must not eat fruit but can smoke a box of
cigars, can eat jaggary but not onions, beetel nut and not coconut. The shoes must have a strap
between the toes, and not over the toes, the latter a serious offence. He must not bathe in a lake in
case he might swim, but he can go to the bioscope (cinema) and see demoralizing pictures for there
is nothing in the Vinaya to prevent him. All the bioscopes, football matches and race meetings are
thronged with Yellow Robes, and no protest is made, but a poor little Samanera who eat an orange
on a hot afternoon would soon come under a heavy penalty.
Again, the Sangha is actually becoming an obstacle to the health and happiness of the people. Many
of the Viharas are in a dirty and unsanitary condition producing disease and early death to the men,
women and children living near them. So bad has it become that the Red Cross Society offered to
provide sanitary latrines for the monk, so that malaria and fever could be reduced. The offer was
indignity refused as being ‘against the Vinaya.’ To be quite fair, however, the Monks are not
entirely to blame, they merely try to observe regulations which are unsuitable today, and must either
be honest and break them, or become morally dishonest and keep them under silent protest. While
travelling in India recently it was necessary to break several precepts. I had to touch money to buy
railway tickets, sit in trains with women, eat in the afternoon when I had nothing in the morning and
when in hospital actually slept on a board bed. Yet my conscience was clear, for I regard the will to
become a Buddha to save mankind from suffering as more important than worrying about rules
which are only the dead letter and not the true spirit of the Dhamma.
But enough. The present state of affairs is evident to every observer, and it is more important now
to suggest remedies. And here I write with diffidence for I know that the conservatism of the
Sangha will not be easily shaken, but it may prompt a future Buddhist Conference to consider the
whole matter. I will therefore merely state certain reforms by which the prestige and influence of
the Order could possibly be improved.
First. Admission to the Sangha. This should be strictly regulated for there are too many Bhikkhus at
present whom the people in their present impoverished condition find difficulty in supporting. Only
youths of good parentage or spiritually minded, perfect physically and mentally and of unblemished
character should be ordained, to whom a certificate of registration, renewable annually, would be
granted. This would keep out unworthy characters, and ensure a higher standard among the Monks.
Secondly. Education. The present lack of education in the Sangha is deplorable, and in consequence
it produces no great preachers, philosophers or thinkers. Recently in Burma a Bhikkhu was needed
to preach the Dhamma in English. Not one could be found anywhere. With hardly any knowledge
of modern languages, science, history or geography how can such a body of men command the
respect of the educated laity? Most religions today are educating their priests making them useful
and efficient, but the Sangha does nothing, and any attempt to give this modern education to the
Bhikkhus is vigorously opposed by the Mahatheras. When last in Upper Burma I noticed the
number of Christian Missions that had sprung up, and when I asked a prominent man the reason he
replied, ‘These missionaries have opened schools and hospitals and help us in many ways. They are
doing the work of the Lord Buddha while our own Bhikkhus do nothing but sleep and smoke all
day.’ His indignation was great for he was a true follower of the Dhamma but he saw how things
were going, and unless the Sangha became more educated and active it would cease to exist in those
parts. We need educated self-sacrificing Monks to awaken the lion roar of the Buddha.
Janganlah memperhatikan kesalahan dan hal-hal yang telah atau belum dikerjakan oleh diri sendiri. Tetapi, perhatikanlah apa yang telah dikerjakan dan apa yang belum dikerjakan oleh orang lain =))

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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1057 on: 13 October 2010, 02:15:46 PM »
Thirdly. Food. The present food regulations observed by the Sangha do much more harm than good.
They produce ill health, gluttony, bad habits, and dishonesty. Let me explain what I see almost
daily. A Monk goes around with a bowl in the morning, gets meat, fish, fowl, rice, etc, food that
heats the blood and has little nourishment. But he must eat it all before noon and then starve for
eighteen hours, so he stuffs down much more usually than he can digest and so has to sleep for
some hours after. Late in the afternoon he gets hungry and then has to chew tobacco, pan leaf and
jaggery, and smoke innumerable cigarettes and cigars. Bad health often results, and while boys in
day schools are taught that smoking is ruinous to health, in the Order they are actually encouraged
to do so. And of course dishonesty naturally occurs, various tricks and methods to eat stealthily
without laymen or other Bhikkhus knowing it.
Surely our great Lord Buddha would not approve of all this. It would be far better for the Monks to
drink tea and eat fruit in the afternoon. This could be considered as a medicine and taken without
infringement of the Vinaya. In my Vihara Samaneras are allowed to do so with excellent results.
They are learning to become useful men to their religion and their country and not acquire those bad
habits which they get in the orthodox Viharas. On an empty stomach one can really do very little. I
recently debated with a Christian missionary. Before the meeting he had a splendid meal, but I
arrived hungry having eaten nothing for nine hours. What chance does poor Bhikkhus stand under
such conditions? To remedy these harmful conditions, tea and fruit should be allowed up till sunset.
Fourthly. Discouragement of Superstition. Pure Buddhism has today become overgrown with a
mass of superstitions which the Buddha himself would be the first to discourage and which prevents
its progress as people become more educated. The waste of money on innumerable candles, gold
leaf, building pagodas, etc. is particularly deplorable when it could be much more wisely and
humanely spent. Some Bhikkhus actually encourage superstition among ignorant people, teaching
for example, if gold is put on a pagoda the giver will become rich, if a woman feeds many Monks
she will be reborn as a beautiful boy, if money is given to the Sangha the happiness of the
Brahmaloka is assured after death, teachings which pander to selfishness and are the complete
negation of the selflessness which is the bed rock of the Buddha Dhamma. So many false customs,
traditions and beliefs are now associated with Buddhism that the educated layman naturally laughs
at them, and our religion is likely to make poor progress in the West until we can get rid of all these
excrescencies and show it to be the rational religion that it really is. The better education of the
Sangha would be one of the best ways of achieving this.
Fifthly. Buddhist Unity. At present there is not only no unity between Buddhist monks of different
countries there is actually hostility between them. The Burmese Bhikkhu has little regard for his
Ceylon brother, and the latter regards the former with not as much affection as he should. The
Chinese monk derides both as having “incomplete views” and the Japanese has very scant
knowledge of the Sangha in other countries. And the tragedy is that while they are all agreed on
essentials, - the Buddha and his Dhamma, they disagree on the unimportant national customs,
traditions and observances which have sprung up and destroy all harmony between them. In Ceylon
and Burma for example, a Bhikkhu can smoke but must not drink beer, but in Tibet a monk drinks
as much native beer as he pleases but never smokes, which is a most serious offence. In one country
a Monk must eat before noon, in other Buddhist countries the best meal of the Bhikkhus is generally
after noon. Certainly the Lord Buddha could not have taught all these contradictions, and there will
never be the Buddhist unity that is so desirable until local customs have less prominence and the
true spirit of Buddhism is better understood. Then may we get a united Buddhist World.
Sixthly. Revival of Meditation. Not until the ancient Buddhist practice of meditation is revived can
we have a spiritual Sangha. Today it has not only almost died out, it is actually laughed at in some
Viharas, as those who have tried it know full well. Yet mind control and the awakening of the
super-mind is the basis of all spiritual development, and is far superior to the mere empty repetition
of the Scriptures which is all a Bhikkhu learns at present. I have met Yogis in India who were far
nearer to the Iddhis and Samadhi than anyone I have seen in the Sangha and the years a Bhikkhu
spends in learning Pali and repeating long passages from the Pitakas could be far better employed if
he strove to realize, and help others to realize Nibbana, instead of only talking about it. The world
needs men who can speak from actual experience of the reality of the spiritual states, and not those
who can merely say, ‘Thus have I heard.’ The practice of meditation is of the utmost importance,
far more important than the customs and rules upon which a Bhikkhu now wastes his time, and
when this is followed the Sangha will regain the spiritual power it had in the days of old.
But I have written enough. Has Buddhism a message for the world today, a world that seems to be
sinking deeper into misery, poverty and unbrotherliness? I believe it has, and that message must
come from the Sangha. If this Sangha can be reformed, awakened and spiritualized it could regain
the tremendous influence it had at the time of Asoka. If it cannot, then we can expect it to pass away
as the Order of Bhikkhunis had done. If the Sangha dies, the Dhamma goes, and unless things
change, to some future generation the name Buddha may be but a word recalled from the past. The
Maha Bodhi Society and its supporters have earned the gratitude and admiration of innumerable
people; the fight for Buddha Gaya, its hospitals and schools, the new Vihara at Sarnath, all redound
to their credit. Will its support now be given to a crusade for the reform and uplift of the Sangha so
that it could become a real force for the peace, progress and happiness of the world?
Janganlah memperhatikan kesalahan dan hal-hal yang telah atau belum dikerjakan oleh diri sendiri. Tetapi, perhatikanlah apa yang telah dikerjakan dan apa yang belum dikerjakan oleh orang lain =))

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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1058 on: 13 October 2010, 02:16:02 PM »
btw di vihara EG itu panduannya tipitaka bukan sih? apakah mereka mempunyai tipitaka? dan apakah mereka pernah membacanya?

Mungkin belum semua.
Kayaknya mereka jauh lebih malas ketimbang bro ryu yang sudah membaca semua tipitaka. hehe.

ohhh pantes aja, berarti divihara itu belajar main gitar, pesbuk dan foto ya, hmmm ok deh, aliran disono berarti bener2 modern, mantap deh.

dan bagaimana pulak dengan bagian pendidikan di MBI? apakah juga tidak membaca tipitaka dan hanya belajar main gitar, pesbuk dan foto?

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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1059 on: 13 October 2010, 02:16:36 PM »
Why Am I A Buddhist?
By Parakrama
Around a century ago Buddhist journals in colonial Ceylon, dazzled by the glamour of Europeans
embracing Buddha Dhamma, gleefully published articles by some of them carrying such titles as
‘Why I am a Buddhist.’ Today, as an older Sinhala Buddhist, I look around with dismay at the
disturbing milieu in which we find ourselves and I ask myself, ‘Why am I a Buddhist?’ I often ask
myself this question, not because I doubt the Buddha Dhamma, but because I am deeply perturbed
about the unseemly twists and turns taken by Sinhala ‘exponents’ and ‘practitioners’ of Buddhism
in Sri Lanka today. This, dear reader, is a deliberately provocative article which, I hope, will make
Sinhala Buddhists think hard and long.
Memory takes me back about 25 years ago when well-meaning supporters honored the 80th birth
anniversary of a revered bhikkhu by ordaining 80 young boys as samaneras. They were all the sons
of poor village parents and all under ten years of age. The incessant sobbing of one of these boys,
which kept him up all night and the next morning, yet echoes sadly in my ears. This incident
symbolizes to me much that is wrong with the Sinhala Sangha. First and foremost, there seem to be
almost no ‘volunteers’ who have sought the yellow robe with understanding and a sense of
vocation. Most entrants to the Sangha have been ‘conscripted’ – young village boys pitchforked
into the Sangha by poor parents ridding themselves of one more mouth to feed. In the older and
more established Nikayas, scions of a few families have monopolized the position of Mahanayaka
and are determined to retain their grip on these lucrative fiefdoms. They are all village boys, poorly
educated, unprepared and often unwilling. This is the harsh truth that we must face and it is the root
cause of the rot in the Sinhala Sangha.
It is no surprise that these ‘conscripts,’ unwittingly deprived of their boyhood and youth, grow up
into hairy, unkempt undergraduates who, while pursuing studies irrelevant to the Dhamma, squat on
pavements and roofs and march yelling unseemly slogans and waiving raising fists. Other, grown
older and shrewder, have embarked on lucrative careers, some of which are listed below.
(1) Ayurvedic physicians and astrologers who ply their trade for money and perform no religious
activities whatsoever. This is an ancient and well-trodden path, now more commercialized than ever
and heavily advertised in the media.
(2) Paid employees of government institutions, mainly teachers, who personally pocket their wages.
Some are now competing for other administrative jobs as well.
(3) Squatters on government land, canal banks and other unsalubrious, slummy surroundings who
build rooms for rent, often for nefarious purposes. One recent such ‘temple’ had harbored a Tiger
terrorist tenant and had ammunition buried in its grounds.
(4) Renting space in temples for the parking of cars, taxies and lorries. A bomb-laden terrorist lorry
was recently found in such a ‘temple.’
(5) Conducting paid tuition classes for public examinations while failing to conduct Sunday schools
for children.
(6) Establishing front organizations (ostensibly religious) to siphon vast sums of money from
wealthy but gullible Japanese and Koreans who relish in photo-ops and hobnobbing with Sri
Lankan VIP’s which monks can easily arrange.
(7) Temple robbers who plunder relics, ancient artifacts and palm leaf books for sale to antique
dealers.
(8) Office bearers of trade unions, political and other non-religious organizations who control
considerable funds and wallow in related publicity.
(9) Monks who act as priests of Sai Baba, the south Indian ‘god man,’ and who prostitute their
temples and provide rich Sinhala matrons with a whitewash of ‘Buddhism’ for their primitive
idolatry. Recently a ‘pilgrimage’ to Sai Baba was being organized to observe the five Precepts on
Vesak at ‘His Lotus Feet!’ Need more be said of the ‘Buddhist’ matrons who pay such homage or
the ‘bhikkhus’ who pander to them?
(10) Sculptors, artists and songwriters who hold public exhibitions and launch their ‘artistic’ works
on the commercial market.
This sad list is merely illustrative and not exhaustive. Other examples abound.
We Sinhala Buddhists have to face up to the fact that most bhikkhus disgrace the Buddhist Sangha
and aware laymen turn a blind eye to their misdeeds. All too few bhikkhus observe the Vinaya or
study the Dhamma deeply or meditate to any effect. We all know that often sermons are by rote and
of extraordinarily poor quality. There is too little original thinking, commentary or interpretation by
discussion or in writing. The emphasis in most temples is on rituals and festivals aimed at raising
money for the construction of yet more buildings, all broadcast by the very loudest of loudspeakers.
These shenanigans involves the temples in an incessant hunt for patronage. There is a constant quest
for wealthy or socially /politically prominent supporters whose association with the temple will gain
it more glory and the supporter more ‘merit.’ There is a tragic disregard for the religious needs of
the community where the temple is located while prominent patrons are sought far and wide. The
contrast with the Christian churches which assiduously serve their respective parishes is sadly
obvious. Our temple management committees are just tame organizations for the greater glory of
their temple and are in no way orientated to serve the spiritual needs of the Buddhist community.
Yet another tragicomic feature is the Sinhala Sangha’s thirst for ‘honors.’ Every nook and cranny
boasts of a Mahanayaka or Anunayaka who revel in being photographed or telecast receiving his
insignia of office from some politician of dubious integrity and transient fame. Another phenomena
is that of the expatriate Sinhala monks who get themselves ‘anointed’ with due publicity as
Mahanayaka of some far off non-Buddhist country or other. Their vanity is tragicomic and
symbolic of the degradation of simple Sinhala Buddhist values. We Sinhala Buddhist almost always
gloss over the issue of caste which lies at the root of the degradation of the Sinhala Sangha. It is a
tragic farce that there is no organization in Sri Lanka as caste-ridden as the Sinhala Sangha. Every
single caste boasts of its own Nikaya or sub-Nikaya. Nobody of an ‘outside’ caste can ever
penetrate the hierarchy. They are often fobbed off with valueless high sounding titles carrying no
authority. A blind eye however, is readily turned on white Europeans who are welcomed with open
arms in every Nikaya. It is galling to see our ‘Mahanayakas’ lapping up the transient glory when
VIP’s call on them for ‘blessings’ on assuming office.
The tragic results of this proliferation of caste-ridden Nikayas is the absence of discipline or the
total unreadiness to exercise it over these errant bhikkhus by Nikayas that ordain them. The
newspapers appall us with accounts of ‘bhikkhus’ found guilty of assault, rape, murder, financial
racketeering and drunkenness. Not one of these malefactors has ever had the self-discipline to
disrobe himself until his name has been cleared. Many shamelessly go to jail yet wearing their
hallowed yellow robe. Tragically, no Sangha organization has ever exercised its inherent authority
to disrobe a single errant robe-wearer.
Politics has long been the bane of the Sinhala Sangha. They readily appear on political platforms
and other places where, under the guise of ‘saving Buddhism,’ they indulge in the most virulent
communalism. To most of them Buddhism comes a long, long way behind their Sinhalaness.
‘Bhikkhus’ vociferously endorse a variety of political parties – each claiming to safeguard the
Sinhala race better than their rivals. The Buddha’s exhortation to show loving kindness to all living
beings does not seem to extend to the non-Sinhala peoples of Sri Lanka – if one listens to our
‘activist bhikkhus.’
Today our Buddhist youth drift rudderless into the 21st century with no intelligent guidance from
the Sangha. We badly need a cohort of educated bhikkhus trained in modern thought who can
provide Buddhist guidance to today’s youth engulfed in the myriad temptations of modern life. This
is what we need – not larger, posher and louder temples. This is the real challenge the Sinhala
Sangha has to face. Let us not deceive ourselves by the high visibility of the Sunday schools with
their white clad boys and girls. They are the innocent victims of ill-prepared and unmotivated
teachers who parrot goody goody clichés and cram them for the unseemly competition of academic
exams in the Dhamma. We should remember that the insurgents of 1971 admitted under
interrogation that they had all gone to Sunday schools! This vivid proof of the abject failure of such
religious education never seems to have had any impact on the establishment which lumbers on
regardless.
One final grouse against our premier Buddhist organizations which have ossified into havens for
aged retirees. No young Buddhists have shown any interest in joining their fossilized ranks.
Decades ago there were active and effective organizations led by Anagarika Dharmapala, Baron
Jayatillala and G. P. Malalasekera in their vigorous youth. We need all the young Buddhist
intellects we can encourage to lead the community once again and wrestle the decedent Sangha
back to its sacred vocation. But are these organizations and their sadly limited Sangha committees
open enough? If they do not reform themselves to attract youth to their ranks, I foresee a rapid
dissolution of the Buddha Dhamma among the Sinhalese while at the same time ever larger and
richer temples flourish and loudspeakers blare dull sermons to sleepy old ladies.
In conclusion, let me try to answer my opening question –‘Why am I a Buddhist?’ It is because I am
convinced of the truth of the Buddha Dhamma and as a Sinhalese it keeps me in touch with my
roots and our ancestors who first embraced the Dhamma over 2300 years ago. My fervent hope is
that we will rid ourselves of the dross that adheres to its practice in Sri Lanka and that the pristine
Dhamma will lead our country for the millennia to come.
Janganlah memperhatikan kesalahan dan hal-hal yang telah atau belum dikerjakan oleh diri sendiri. Tetapi, perhatikanlah apa yang telah dikerjakan dan apa yang belum dikerjakan oleh orang lain =))

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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1060 on: 13 October 2010, 03:05:11 PM »
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saya tidak menganggap sesuatu itu kontroversial karena mengeritik vinaya therawada. (saya terpesona melihat anda menulis vinaya (pake V)). tapi dalam hal lainnya. sudah umum bagi non-theravada mengeritik Theravada, jadi ini bukanlah sesuatu yg kontroversial lagi. tapi saya ingin stick to our current topik, biarlah lain kali saja kita membahas ini.

saya menerjemahkan "adornment to the Community" sebagai "hiasan bagi komunitas", saya kira ini adalah terjemahan yg tidak membutuhkan penafsiran, bagaimana dengan bro Henry sendiri? dapatkah itu berarti "adalah Sangha"? bahkan "Community" di sana saya pahami dalam konteks yg lebih luas sebagai masyarakat bukan dalam arti Komunitas Sangha.

Boleh dibantu disambungkan semua kalimatnya bro?
Saya kok melihatnya jauh lebih mulia ketimbang 'hiasan' semata.
Masak biku, bikuni, upasaka, upasika yang bijaksana dan disiplin hanya sekedar hiasan doang?
Maaf inggris saya pas2 sih.

Makanya saya mencoba mencari perbandingan dengan terjemahan Ven. Dhammika.


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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1061 on: 13 October 2010, 03:11:32 PM »
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saya tidak menganggap sesuatu itu kontroversial karena mengeritik vinaya therawada. (saya terpesona melihat anda menulis vinaya (pake V)). tapi dalam hal lainnya. sudah umum bagi non-theravada mengeritik Theravada, jadi ini bukanlah sesuatu yg kontroversial lagi. tapi saya ingin stick to our current topik, biarlah lain kali saja kita membahas ini.

saya menerjemahkan "adornment to the Community" sebagai "hiasan bagi komunitas", saya kira ini adalah terjemahan yg tidak membutuhkan penafsiran, bagaimana dengan bro Henry sendiri? dapatkah itu berarti "adalah Sangha"? bahkan "Community" di sana saya pahami dalam konteks yg lebih luas sebagai masyarakat bukan dalam arti Komunitas Sangha.

Boleh dibantu disambungkan semua kalimatnya bro?
Saya kok melihatnya jauh lebih mulia ketimbang 'hiasan' semata.
Masak biku, bikuni, upasaka, upasika yang bijaksana dan disiplin hanya sekedar hiasan doang?
Maaf inggris saya pas2 sih.

Makanya saya mencoba mencari perbandingan dengan terjemahan Ven. Dhammika.



saya lebih suka menerjemahkan apa adanya, tanpa berusaha memberikan sentuhan interpretasi yg biasanya mengoreksi apa yg sudah benar.
misalnya mengoreksi "Bhikkhu yang bijaksana, disiplin, dst adalah Hiasan bagi komunitas" dikoreksi menjadi
"Bhikkhu yang bijaksana, disiplin, dst adalah Sangha."

tapi saya yakin anda tentu lebih menguasai bidang ini, kalau tidak bagaimana caranya anda mendapatkan posisi menteri pendidikan ini?

bukannya saya tidak mau memenuhi permintaan anda untuk membantu Bro. tapi silahkan anda buka thread baru pada board "Penerjemahan" supaya tidak OOT

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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1062 on: 13 October 2010, 03:12:14 PM »
btw di vihara EG itu panduannya tipitaka bukan sih? apakah mereka mempunyai tipitaka? dan apakah mereka pernah membacanya?

Mungkin belum semua.
Kayaknya mereka jauh lebih malas ketimbang bro ryu yang sudah membaca semua tipitaka. hehe.

ohhh pantes aja, berarti divihara itu belajar main gitar, pesbuk dan foto ya, hmmm ok deh, aliran disono berarti bener2 modern, mantap deh.

dan bagaimana pulak dengan bagian pendidikan di MBI? apakah juga tidak membaca tipitaka dan hanya belajar main gitar, pesbuk dan foto?

Ya. memang masih jauh lah bro.
Belajar sih belajar, cuma dasar otak bebal dan memang bukan manusia yang kompeten, ya mau gimana lagi, ya masih jauh lah dengan bro2 yang otaknya cemerlang dan sudah 'cerah'.

Apalagi dipaksa sibuk balas2an di milis ini. Makin habislah waktu buat belajar. hehe
Kalau ditinggalin, nanti katanya gak punya aturan, gak berani menghadapi kritikan. 
Nanti semua orang di majelis disalah-salahin lagi. hehe.

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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1063 on: 13 October 2010, 03:20:39 PM »
btw di vihara EG itu panduannya tipitaka bukan sih? apakah mereka mempunyai tipitaka? dan apakah mereka pernah membacanya?

Mungkin belum semua.
Kayaknya mereka jauh lebih malas ketimbang bro ryu yang sudah membaca semua tipitaka. hehe.

ohhh pantes aja, berarti divihara itu belajar main gitar, pesbuk dan foto ya, hmmm ok deh, aliran disono berarti bener2 modern, mantap deh.

dan bagaimana pulak dengan bagian pendidikan di MBI? apakah juga tidak membaca tipitaka dan hanya belajar main gitar, pesbuk dan foto?

Ya. memang masih jauh lah bro.
Belajar sih belajar, cuma dasar otak bebal dan memang bukan manusia yang kompeten, ya mau gimana lagi, ya masih jauh lah dengan bro2 yang otaknya cemerlang dan sudah 'cerah'.

Apalagi dipaksa sibuk balas2an di milis ini. Makin habislah waktu buat belajar. hehe
Kalau ditinggalin, nanti katanya gak punya aturan, gak berani menghadapi kritikan. 
Nanti semua orang di majelis disalah-salahin lagi. hehe.

=)) ternyata hasil dari MBI seperti gini =)) , jadi maksud loe sibuk balas2an milis gini makin habis waktu belajar loe? mikir juga loe? kenapa loe ga bilang ke biku itu soal maen pesbuk dan gitar tuh? bukannya baca tuh tipitaka malah maen pesbuk, mikir dong =))
Janganlah memperhatikan kesalahan dan hal-hal yang telah atau belum dikerjakan oleh diri sendiri. Tetapi, perhatikanlah apa yang telah dikerjakan dan apa yang belum dikerjakan oleh orang lain =))

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Re: Apakah ada aturan Bhante boleh main gitar?
« Reply #1064 on: 13 October 2010, 03:21:58 PM »
btw di vihara EG itu panduannya tipitaka bukan sih? apakah mereka mempunyai tipitaka? dan apakah mereka pernah membacanya?

Mungkin belum semua.
Kayaknya mereka jauh lebih malas ketimbang bro ryu yang sudah membaca semua tipitaka. hehe.

ohhh pantes aja, berarti divihara itu belajar main gitar, pesbuk dan foto ya, hmmm ok deh, aliran disono berarti bener2 modern, mantap deh.

dan bagaimana pulak dengan bagian pendidikan di MBI? apakah juga tidak membaca tipitaka dan hanya belajar main gitar, pesbuk dan foto?

Ya. memang masih jauh lah bro.
Belajar sih belajar, cuma dasar otak bebal dan memang bukan manusia yang kompeten, ya mau gimana lagi, ya masih jauh lah dengan bro2 yang otaknya cemerlang dan sudah 'cerah'.

Apalagi dipaksa sibuk balas2an di milis ini. Makin habislah waktu buat belajar. hehe
Kalau ditinggalin, nanti katanya gak punya aturan, gak berani menghadapi kritikan. 
Nanti semua orang di majelis disalah-salahin lagi. hehe.


jawaban yg sangat menunjukkan kualitas anda. Tidak perlu saya komentari ;D

mungkin saya perlu mengingatkan. ini adalah forum yg diakses oleh ratusan ribu orang di seluruh dunia, dan untuk thread ini saja ada 7915 pembaca sampai saat saya mengetik ini. ada cukup banyak penonton, jadi sebaiknya Bro henry merenungkan kembali tulisan yg anda ketik sebelum click POST, jangan sampai mempermalukan diri sendiri dan MBI.

 

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