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Theravada / Re: Pancasila Buddhis

« on: 09 January 2018, 02:25:51 AM »

roman>>Betul.bayangkan juga seandainya semua vege, hidup akan lebih mudah.lebih simple.

makan sayur (vegetarian) bagus, salah satu sebab ...dilihat dari sisi...

cost of production...... karna byangkan aja sapi makan rumput/sayur menjdai daging...baru kita makan dagingnya...dan berapa hari itu baru menjadi daging sapi ?...klo tanam sawi hijau..paling sebulan....apakah sapi bisa jadi besar hanya sebulan ? tantu belum bisa saat ini....dan yg paling dekat adalah AYAM...sejak lahir sampai bisa dimakan adalah 39 hari...(kisaran 2kg gitu)...nahhh itupun harus ada suapan makanan utk ayam tiap hari......klo sayur kankung dekat kali...yg cuma tumbuh sendiri...nanti tinggal panen aja....

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Hobi dan Kegiatan Ektrakulikuler / biji berpindah tempat oleh ANGIN...

« on: 08 January 2018, 07:32:12 PM »

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/Vu4OlrsQ1cU" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/Vu4OlrsQ1cU</a>

bibit jalan2 melalui ANGIN...
jadi bibit berpindah tempat melalui : manusia, binatang, serangga, air, dan ANGIN....

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Hobi dan Kegiatan Ektrakulikuler / WHITE bodhi beads...

« on: 08 January 2018, 07:26:29 PM »

inilah pohon yg bijinya dipakai utk membuat white bodhi beads ...dgn ukuran gambar teratai... 

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Bantuan Teknis, kritik dan saran. / masalah quote...sptnya system tambahkan quote yg tdk kita minta...

« on: 08 January 2018, 07:18:10 PM »

sptnya system forum menambahkan extra quote
yg tidak kita minta.....

klo dibaca sourcenya....kagak ada printah quote terakhir...
tapi setelah di save quote tsb muncul..... (spt global quote gitu)

mhon dpt diperbaikin... thx

contoh :
https://dhammacitta.org/forum/index.php?topic=26913.msg475022#msg475022

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Buddhisme dengan Agama, Kepercayaan, Tradisi dan Filsafat Lain / Re: XLFM - apakah itu,..serba serbi serta perkembangannya di Indo/International...

« on: 08 January 2018, 07:14:09 PM »

Mengisi Xiao Fang Zi

1. Sebelum melafalkan XFZ, harus menuliskan nama penerima XFZ 敬赠_______________ (Selain XFZ cadangan; nama penerima XFZ bisa diisi dengan “XXX 的要经者/de yao jing zhe” penagih hutang karma dari XXX, nama orang yang sudah meninggal, “XXX 的孩子/de haizi” anak dari XXX atau “XXX 房子的要经者/ fang zi de yao jing zhe” arwah penunggu rumah XXX)

  serem banget, dituliskan  : penagih hutang karma


Kemungkinan serem2...biar umatnya mau NURUT dehh....

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Buddhisme dengan Agama, Kepercayaan, Tradisi dan Filsafat Lain / Re: XLFM - apakah itu,..serba serbi serta perkembangannya di Indo/International...

« on: 08 January 2018, 02:52:14 PM »

Jadi cerita lebih kurangnya sbb :
salah satu dari pembaca di  thedailyenlightenmen dot com... posting maret 2015 spt copasan gitulah....
1 apakah XLfm...membakar xiaoFangZe yg berisi totalan sutta2 yg telah dibaca (spt TaPeiCou) itu perlu ? A: tidak perlu..karna dilinai...sjenis CULT yg memakai embel2 Budhism n Budhism orthodox udah angkat bicara....

2 bagaiman mereka "dibohongin" ? A: Dia hanya menunggangi budaya Budha, ajaran dan terminologi dengan cara yang longgar dan tidak akurat untuk mempromosikan gagasan dan praktiknya, yang banyak mendistorsi ajaran Buddha yang sebenarnya.

dst dst dst....

bagaimana menurut anda ?.....apa yg dicari oleh orang2 sebenarnya ? umat2 ?..yg sakit ?...

Bantahan Terhadap Ajaran Xin Ling Fa Men (Versi Mahayana)

Question: You have probably heard of ‘Xin Lin Fa Men’ (观音心灵法门) by ‘Guanyin Citta Dharma Door’ Master Lu Jun Hong (卢军宏 or 卢台长). In his practice, after reciting Dabeizhou (Great Compassion Mantra) for karmic creditors, we are taught to burn ‘little house’ papers. Is it really necessary to do so? (This question is not linked to the picture.)

Answer: Lu’s group is a cult riding upon so-called ‘Buddhism’. Please do not follow his teachings. It is not true Buddhism as he teaches corrupted teachings. For instance, the practice of burning was never taught by the Buddha or any orthodox Buddhist teacher in history. It is an ecologically harmful and pointless new superstition. Many orthodox Buddhist organisations worldwide have spoken collectively against him. You must read these extremely important articles carefully, so as to not make the mistake of following such cults:

How To Awaken Those Tricked By ‘Buddhist’ Cults
https://thedailyenlightenment.com/2015/02/how-to-awaken-those-tricked-by-buddhist-cults
Are There Mediums & Manifestations Of Buddhas & Bodhisattvas Around?
https://thedailyenlightenment.com/2014/02/are-there-mediums-manifestations-of-buddhas-bodhisattvas-around

Question: Thank goodness I asked, for I almost joined as I was amazed by his ‘supernatural’ power. How does he have the power to heal people and know about their past and present lives?

Answer: His so-called powers are not real at all. He does not know present lives. He makes wide and safe guesses, and if you observe carefully, he gets it wrong at times, but insists he is right. He does not know past lives. He speculates again and the foolish believe him – when his claims cannot be proved. He does not heal as he simply asks people to chant what Buddhists already should know, which of course naturally has healing effects when done properly.

However, he adds in nonsensical anti-Dharma teachings such as insisting that some general sutras should not be chanted at certain times, and that merits should not be dedicated. These and more confuse and trick people, distracting them from true Buddhism, while he gains fame and wealth by pretending to be special and offering special advice. He also markets himself to be a manifestation of Guanyin Bodhisattva, which all Buddhas taught to be equivalent to what Mara (the evil one) would support, as you can see in this article:

The Buddha’s Admonition Against Making False Spiritual Claims
https://thedailyenlightenment.com/2015/01/the-buddhas-admonition-against-making-false-spiritual-claims

Do also read the comments at https://thedailyenlightenment.com/2014/02/are-there-mediums-manifestations-of-buddhas-bodhisattvas-around to see analyses of his tricks (and collective statements denouncing his teachings). The crucial information is all there.

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Comment:

Dear Bro’s n Sis in the Dhamma , With due respect and of no offences intended ; I think u all should not misjudge or prejudge Master Lu as he has actually helps alot of those unfortunate and helpless people and change alot of perceptions of those who does not believe in karma. Many have now turn into a good devotees .He also does not seek material gains and everythings are free not like some cult asking money for every service etc. Please understand his good deeds and gives him ur blessing.
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Reply 1:

There is no misjudgement. All the comments above show how Lu is devious, abusing Buddhist teachings in the guise of helping people. Exactly because his guesses on past karma are either unprovable or proven inaccurate, he actually sows seeds of disbelief in karma too. There are some devotees who are now in mental institutions. Even if he does not seek wealth, his events require money of devotees to set up and their efforts to publicise. Not all cult masters want money. Some want fame, as part of the five desires. Please understand this and do not give him your support.
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Reply 2:

【邪教『心灵法门』卢军宏的：冷读术】
【失败，失败，再失败， 简直是噩梦！】

卢军宏 到底有没有超能力？ 神力？
或是他一直都在使用心理学的一种叫做『冷读术』的方式，支配，套取求助者的资料？
以便达到展现神通的伎俩？
大家不妨对照一番！

Interesting video with examples of Lu’s wrong predictions:
https://www.facebook.com/JusticeAlwaysLate/videos/484387655073443/

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Comment: Lu helped many by curing their serious illnesses without charging any fee.

Reply: There is no solid medically proven case of him having helped to cure anyone DIRECTLY. Some cult leaders are out for fame, not for money, because they are already rich enough. Also, his events involve much expenses and he prints many books. All these require money.

Comment: Lu told people to be kind. He is a serious vegetarian and asks his students to be too.

Reply: This is nothing special. All good Buddhist teachers speak of the above. Even some non-Buddhist teachers teach so. E.g. There are vegan Buddhist teachers who advocate veganism, which causes even MUCH less harm to sentient beings than merely being vegetarian – as animal by-products such as dairy milk, cheese, cream, eggs, honey, leather, gelatine, silk… require exploitation and eventual killing of countless sentient beings.

Comment: Lu told people not to be lustful. From the net, sometimes we find scandalous cases related to fake monastics.

Reply: This is nothing special. All good Buddhist teachers teach their students not to be lustful. All the cases above, since are related to fake monastics, do not involve proper good Buddhists, monastic or lay.

Comment: There are people who claim their serious illnesses were cured by following Lu’s instructions. Eg. In this video: ___ [link removed to prevent misleading readers].

Reply: Here is a detailed analysis of the video –

[1] The speech was read from a pre-prepared script. Person (in video) has been going around saying the similar, and might be planted to attract more devotees. There is no medical proof shown of his health before and after the claimed sickness, and none of Lu’s actual help.

[2] Anyone who practices proper Buddhist practices sincerely (such as Nianfo, veganism and animal liberation, followed by dedication of merits to all beings) might be able to be cured of serious illnesses if conditions allow. (But death is eventual for all.) This healing potential has always been there without Lu’s warped teachings. If a person happened to practise the right parts within what he teaches, there will be positive effects. However, Lu’s warped teachings have wrong parts that can have severe negative effects, as below. As most cannot tell which teachings are warped, Lu’s teachings should be avoided entirely. A glass of otherwise pure water with a drop of poison should be thrown away immediately, because the poison will eventually be swallowed.

[3] Person decided to go vegetarian for life. This of course creates immense merits that can dilute negative karma that condition illnesses. As above, vegetarianism or even better, veganism, is advocated by all good Buddhist teachers. It is not a special teaching of Lu. Meat-eating is also a common cause of cancer which the Person claimed to had. Removal of this cause of course leads easier to recovery.

[4] Person decided to practise animal liberation, as advised by his friends; not Lu. This of course creates immense merits that can dilute negative karma that condition illnesses. Proper animal liberation is advocated by all good Buddhist teachers. It is not a special teaching of Lu.

[5] It is spiritually dangerous to, as hinted in the video, to keep pining for and expecting healing from any practice – because it is the first Noble Truth taught by the Buddha that death is inevitable for the unenlightened. As Great Master Yinguang, the 13th Patriarch of the Pure Land Tradition taught, if there is clinging to healing, even on the deathbed, such attachment will bind one to the cycle of rebirth, instead of being able to reach Pure Land, much less attain healing or liberation: http://purelanders.com/2015/12/30/guidance-before-support-chanting-%E5%8A%A9%E5%BF%B5%E5%89%8D%E5%BC%80%E7%A4%BA-pure-land-passport-section-2 Healing is indeed possible but it should never be be clung to in an obsessive manner. Lu promotes his warped teachings centred on healing only, claiming success for ‘successful’ cases and lack of diligence on the part of devotees for all unsuccessful cases. Anyone can make such claims.

[6] Lu’s claim of being able to tell the Person had 3-6 months left to live cannot be proven accurate at all. It is way too wide a range too, hardly a proper prediction. Anyone can claim to be able to tell a seriously ill person to have a few months left to live if he or she does not do enough of this or that. As there is blind faith in him, of course, his claim is believed blindly. And of course, the Person did not die in 6 months at all (since the prediction was never accurate in the first place), even living to tell the tale of survival.

[7] Lu’s claim that the Person had lots of killing in his previous life, which led to having serious illness is common sense, as the most common cause of serious illnesses according to the Buddha’s teachings of karma is killing. It is not a special teaching of Lu.

[8] Lu’s claim that the Person killed a monkey, whose spirit is on his shoulder and able to kill him at any time cannot be proven at all. One might as well say to a serious sick person that he killed a cow in his previous life and his spirit is living in his cancer tumour. Of course, this too cannot be proven. It is an arbitrary claim.

[9] Lu’s teachings of the need to burn ‘little houses’ after chanting specific chants before specific times, without dedication of merits to anyone else is totally unfounded in the Buddha’s teachings. (Burning of much paper also creates negative karma from contributing to deforestation and pollution of the whole world.) All the proper Buddhist chants he advocated can actually be chanted at any time, and merits should be dedicated to all beings after as it is an essential Buddhist practice to benefit all, without need to meet arbitrary high quotas set randomly by him. His methods are warped attempts to advocate some special teachings, so that he can appear special, to have unique abilities and teachings, when they are warped instead. More on this is below.

[10] Person claimed to chant for one ‘little house’ after another, for fulfilling one wish after another. This is dangerous, as it can feed growth of greed for all kinds of worldly gains, including merely healing for health, while forgetting we will all die. This is how the spiritual goal of going towards Pure Land or for direct liberation is lost, thus trapping devotees in the rounds of rebirth.

[11] Person claimed that miracle happened which reduced swelling of legs and stomach, but this was after the doctor gave medication for it, also as claimed by himself. It is thus no clear miracle.

[12] Person said he will continue to spread hope to others through Lu’s teachings, saying Guanyin Bodhisattva will definitely save through them. Again, this is dangerous, as death is inevitable, as the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas remind many times in the sutras. Lu’s warped teachings falsely ride upon Guanyin Bodhisattva’s popularity, misrepresenting them. Before enlightenment is realised, true and total physical and mental healing occurs when Pure Land is reached. Lu is also receptive to the claim that he is a manifestation of Guanyin Bodhisattva, when Sakyamuni Buddha clearly taught that those who claim to be the enlightened in our era are on the side of Mara (the most evil demon in our world system): https://thedailyenlightenment.com/2015/01/the-buddhas-admonition-against-making-false-spiritual-claims

[13] Person claimed Lu’s three main teachings are to ‘make wishes, practise animal liberation and chant sutras’. Note that many other important aspects of pure Buddhist teachings are missing, such as learning the Dharma properly, dedication of merits and much more.

[14] Person claimed Lu’s teachings to be a new ‘Dharma door’ (Buddhist practice method). It is not so, as his teachings ride upon and warp proper teachings, having become a new cult distorting Buddhism instead, that confuses the masses. Person claimed Lu is a living Bodhisattva. He is not so, as he is more of a living Mara (or his equivalent), who have driven not a few people to mental breakdown, as below.

[15] Behind every deluded devotee such as the Person in the video, there are MANY others who have NOT created publicity videos, of how they have become confused and severely disturbed through Lu’s teachings, to a mentally dangerous stage. There are those chanting as instructed… without eating and rest, leading to poor mental and physical health, that affects work and family relationships. Some have even become hospitalised in mental institutes in Singapore. Some might already have mental ailments, that are not resolved by Lu, while some might have gone ‘crazy’ as Lu advocates NOT dedicating merits despite much chanting. If the affected really have supernatural problems, it is possible that unseen beings are hovering around hoping to receive merits but never get any, thus aggravating the problem that might be solved by dedicating merits. This is like waving spiritual ‘currency’ (merits) at the poor but not offering any. The poor might get angry and further disturb the ‘rich’. The ‘rich’ being disturbed only chants more for protection, but when stopping, gets further disturbed by the poor. This is how things can spin out of control. Even with lots of chanting, it does not lead to long term solutions; only leading to long term problems. Also, the chanters might be driven paranoid by Lu who suggests they MUST chant according to his requirements or else will stay troubled. Some even suggest his ‘little houses’ have dangerous occult properties that create disturbances. Again, note that use of them is not found in the Buddha’s teachings.

[16] The Singapore Buddhist Federation has come up with a warning for all on Lu’s teachings being unqualified to be considered Buddhism: http://tinyurl.com/sbfnotice1 Many of Malaysia’s Buddhist organisations have also banded together to denounce Lu’s teachings: http://tinyurl.com/ybamnotice1 Even China’s Buddhists have spoken up: http://tinyurl.com/saranotice1 If there are doubts on the above, these organisations should be consulted.

[17] Please read all the comprehensive information in the links in the main article above and here before commenting further. All comments promoting Lu’s teachings, clearly without reading all of the above will not be permitted here, lest there is confusion of readers. May all beings awaken to the Buddha’s true teachings. Amituofo

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Comment: Lu never teach us to do something bad.

Reply: He teaches people to follow his wrong teachings blindly, such as rushing to meet stressful arbitrarily given chanting quotas, chanting without understanding, not dedicating merits, not chanting at certain times, burning papers… All these are NOT Buddhist practices. In fact, they are anti-Buddhist in spirit and letter. Those who think his teachings are right have obviously NOT learnt proper Buddhism yet. They should all the more stay clear and learn at proper Buddhist temples and centres. He also rudely and arrogantly demands all to believe in his wild, unverifiable and proven wrong guesses. There are people who have ended up in mental institutions because of him in more than one country due to the stress he gave them.

Comment: All he teach us is straight method.

Reply: No – he is a crafty con-man who lacks the straightforward mind, by making the great false claim (i.e. lying) that he is Guanyin Pusa, which is forbidden by the Buddha unequivocally: https://thedailyenlightenment.com/2015/06/how-to-be-free-from-demonic-obstacles This as taught by the Buddha to be enough to be reborn into hell later: https://thedailyenlightenment.com/2015/01/the-buddhas-admonition-against-making-false-spiritual-claims The Buddha also forbade the use of false and true supernormal power to attract people to learn the Dharma: https://thedailyenlightenment.com/2011/06/when-are-miracles-appropriate In Lu’s case, he obviously has no actual power at all, which makes his ‘display’ ethically worse.

Comment: He didn’t create a new dharma. All the dharma is basically what we all know.

Reply: This is false. He created new wrong rules such as the above, that distort the Dharma severely. If he did not create wrong teachings, the whole orthodox Buddhist world would be be against his evil ways. Prominent Buddhist federations in Singapore, China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Malaysia and more have spoken against him clearly.

To understand more on what is wrong with Lu’s nonsense, many related links on the evils of Lu can be seen by scrolling at http://www.fb.com/DharmaProtectionFellowship

Comment: We need to embrace emptiness in our lives, rather than being judgmental and attached in our views of right and wrong in the world.

Reply: Why not embrace killers then, and not let lawful court judge their killing as wrong, and let them go scott free to do more harm? The Buddha taught clearly on right and wrong. This is why the Precepts are taught in detail.

Comment: Sometimes, right and be wrong, right can be right.

Reply: Right is always right – whatever arises from generosity, compassion and wisdom. Wrong is always wrong – whatever arises from greed, hatred and delusion. This is basic Buddhism.

Comment: Always be mindful of the Skilful Means in the teachings of Buddhism.

Reply: Skilful means are never at the expense of giving in to greed, hatred and delusion.

Comment: The most important question to ask is: What is the intention of Lu Jun Hong in his work?

Reply: Anyone with sufficient intelligence can see that he is out to feed is ego (for fame, and donations for sponsoring his materials and events), as seen in his unrepentant proven lies from wild and wrong guesses. This is greed. And when said to be wrong, he is angry. This is hatred. And his portrayal of many key Buddhist principles are wrong. This is delusion. Thus, he has all three poisons, that are intense.

Comment: One thing is for sure, being angry, judgemental and criticize others reflects poorly on ourselves.

Reply: Lu is guilty of being judgemental with his wrong guesses that he insists are right. Yes, he is habitually angry, rude and scares people with his nonsense too. It truly reflects poorly on him.

Sumber: https://thedailyenlightenment.com/2015/03/how-to-use-the-anti-buddhist-cult-articles-here/

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Kafe Jongkok / nama n gambar/photo ....bisakah anda cari ?

« on: 08 January 2018, 01:56:55 PM »

dipersembahkan utk :
   Forte         KalyanaMitta   2007-07-06   16.587 post   


nb: cara main adalah carilah gambar/photo utk nama member disini....n post kan...
bila perlu beri penjelasan itu barang apa dst dst....mhon meramaikan ya bpk/ibu2 !

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Theravada / Re: Pancasila Buddhis

« on: 08 January 2018, 01:30:19 PM »

vegetarian bukan berarti bebas dari pembunuhan loh.
proses untuk mendapatkan sayur itu juga ada makhluk yang dikorbankan.
saya punya kenalan yang tanam dan jualan sayuran hidroponik, di IG dia pernah muncul foto botol yang dilengketi lalat-lalat yang sudah mati, dengan caption "sederhana tapi manjur".
nanti saya munculkan gambarnya yah, saya lupa cara memunculkan gambar
bahkan didalam rumah hidroponik yang cukup steril pun masih bisa terjadi pembunuhan.
kalau melihat dengan konsep "jika makan daging maka akan mengkondisikan terjadi pembunuhan", maka akan sama "jika makan sayur juga akan mengkondisikan terjadinya pembunuhan", karna kalau tidak ada yang makan sayuran maka tidak akan ada hama2 tanaman yang mati terbunuh.

tadi juga saya ketemu bapak yang beli mata kail, tapi bukan buat mancing ikan, kailnya mau buat menjerat monyet yang merusak buah kelapa.
saya cukup kaget.. ternyata untuk mendapatkan buah kelapa itu juga ada makhluk yang dikorbankan.
kalau yang vegetarian merasa mereka murni dan tidak mengkondisikan terjadinya pembunuhan, pandangan itu jelas salah besar.

pada akhirnya, kesucian bukan ditentukan oleh apa yang kita makan, tapi oleh perbuatan.

mnurut sacheng sih...bisa aja...
semua sayur2an itu (hydroponic) itu ditanam sendiri aja....sambil menyegarkan mata dgn tanaman hijao2....bisa ?

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Theravada / pemakan DAGING, pemakan bangkai, pembersih yg setia

« on: 08 January 2018, 01:25:01 PM »

klo burung bangkai (vulture bird...) apakah disebut...
1 pemakan daging
2 pemakan bangkai
3 PEMBERSIH LINGKUNGAN dari bau bangkai dan melalukan KEBAIKAN...

yg mana ya ?

Graphic Image: ShowHide

SKY BURRIER...pemakaman ala tibet dgn daging2 dibersihkan/dilahap oleh burung bangkai yg tidak memungut biasa sepersen pun......gimana...ini burung melakukan kebaikan atao bukan ?

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Hobi dan Kegiatan Ektrakulikuler / Re: serba serbi tanaman bunga, buah n BIJI nya....

« on: 08 January 2018, 01:06:57 PM »

pd photo (bag bawah) adalah biji Bodhi...yg masih hijao....sedangkan pohon Bodhi sangat mudah ditandain dgn bentuk daunnya yg lain dari pada yg lain...(dan tulang daun berada diatas daun...sedangkan daun umumnya, tulang daun berada dibawah...) begitulah...
dan pohon Bodhi bisa sangatlah BESAR....biji pohon Bodhi yg udah tua (cokolat) baru dibuat TASBeee.... sedangkan Bodh Gaya, india adalah tempat dimana Sidarta Gautama mencapai pencerahan....(dibawah pohon Bodhi...)

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Hobi dan Kegiatan Ektrakulikuler / biji bodhi.....yg spt apa paling menarik ?

« on: 08 January 2018, 12:38:02 PM »

klo biji bodhi yg umum adalah warna nya coklat hitam....
utk yg unik...inii biji bodhi PUTIH n diukirin gambar LOTUS...ini style dari Tibet...
bodhi bead apakah yg anda sukain ?..


note : Material:White Bodhi Seed (Carve Lotus), Beads size: 1.2 cm

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Hobi dan Kegiatan Ektrakulikuler / biji/bibit kejujuran......kenapa disebut begitu ?

« on: 08 January 2018, 11:08:07 AM »

Q: knapa disebut biji/bibit kejujuran ?
A: ohh karna TRANSPARANSInya...dpt dihitung langsung berapa BIJI nya !

 

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Hobi dan Kegiatan Ektrakulikuler / Re: serba serbi tanaman bunga, buah n BIJI nya....

« on: 08 January 2018, 06:54:34 AM »

2 melalui AIR.
spt biji kelapa yg jatuh ke air pantai...itu akan jalan2 ke tempat sangat jauhlah.... tapi sebagian juga masuk ke perut manusialah....

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Hobi dan Kegiatan Ektrakulikuler / bagaimana biji menyebar....(Bertamsyah...jalan jauhh)...?

« on: 08 January 2018, 06:33:31 AM »

sacheng suka yang ber-BIJI?? 

cewek2 suka nongkrong di StarBuck.....ehhh klo bagi sacheng itu kemahalan ya....

biji2 berpindah tempat...salah satunya melalui MANUSIA....
1 melalui manusia

gajah n luwak yg diasupin biji kopi pilihan...kemudian BAB keluar...itulah kopi terbaik....
dlm kasus ini tidak jadi pindah tempat...tapi pindah ke perut manusia.....
biasanya sih spt burung2 bantu penyebaran biji setelah buahnya dia makan...

 

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Meditasi / Re: Metoda apa yang anda gunakan untuk bermeditasi ?

« on: 08 January 2018, 05:15:43 AM »

pool sebaiknya ada pilihan....

xxx : ramuan khusus....racikan khusus...

bgaimn juga jelasin masing2 teknik tsb....?