Tergantung sumbernya pak. Tergantung teks Mahayana yang mana. Ada Sutra Mahayana yang bilang Bodhisattva bila melanggar sila akan jatuh dari Sangha Bodhisattva.
Tentang Sumpah Tambahan Bodhisattva #11 tidak pernah menjadi perdebatan, itu adalah fakta dari Vajrayana.
INTRODUCTION
As far as I am aware, there are two different traditions in the Bodhisattva vows: the Chinese and the Tibetan. In the chinese tradition, the vows for lay followers and monks and nuns are different. The Chinese version for ordained people has ten root vows and forty-eight secondary vows. Although the listing of the vows is not the same, they are very similar to the Tibetan tradition. Below explanation follows the Tibetan tradition.
The bodhisattva or bodhicitta vows comprise eighteen root and forty-six secondary vows. These vows have been compiled in the Tibetan tradition from various authoritative texts.
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THE 46 SECONDARY VOWS
The forty-six branch vows require that you abandon the following actions:
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11. Not knowing the full purpose of compassion.
If it serves a special purpose for others, it is permissible for a Bodhisattva to commit the seven non-virtues (pelanggaran sila) of body and speech. If you refuse to commit a such a
non-virtue, when by doing so you could help numberless sentient beings, you will incur this downfall. Generally, you have to avoid all non-virtues. But when the circumstances arise in which, through compassion, you can help numberless sentient beings by engaging in one of the
seven non-virtues of body and speech, then you must do so. For instance, suppose you were living in the country and a hunter came by and asked you whether you had seen any deer. If you had seen some and decided not to lie, you would keep your Vinaya precepts and retain observance of the seven virtues, but the hunter would kill the deer. In this case you should rather tell a lie than follow the normal rule. This judgement obviously requires wisdom.[/quote]
Seks dalam Vajrayana sudah pernah dibahas di sini. Tergantung dari aliran mana (Vajrayana ada banyak, nyingma, kadampa, sakya, dll). Hal ini bahkan tidak dibahas di kalangan Vajrayana sendiri, Tetapi pak hudoyo bisa dengan baik menggeneralisir keadaan tersebut.
Sumpah Tambahan Bodhisattva #11 itu terdapat di internet ... tidak dibahas di kalangan Vajrayana karena diterima secara meluas di sana ... yang mempersoalkan kan cuma orang Theravada. ... Saya tidak menggeneralisir, cuma menyebut sepintas lalu, karena itu bukan menjadi topik utama dalam diskusi ini.
Saya ingin sekedar komentar. Jika saya melakukan upaya kausalya, tetapi setiap thread yang saya buat menimbulkan pertanyaan "ini ajaran Sang Buddha bukan ya?", bahkan sampai timbul perdebatan yang melibatkan pribadi, sebaiknya saya bertanya dulu ke dalam, apakah ini upaya kausalya atau bukan.
Tulisan saya sudah berhasil membuka wawasan banyak teman-teman Buddhis. ... Yang tidak suka dengan tulisan saya hanyalah mereka yang sudah
mempunyai image tertentu yang mengkristal tentang ajaran Sang Guru yang kemudian saya pertanyakan. ... Kepada orang-orang seperti ini saya sarankan, Anda tidak perlu membaca tulisan-tulisan saya kalau memang tulisan saya menggoyahkan iman Anda.
It is impossible, it cannot come to pass that a man possessed of (right) view would treat any dhamma as self - this situation does not occur. MN iii 64
The world, as a rule, is fettered by attachment and clinging to things, and is firmly adhering to them. But the learned and noble disciple does no longer attach himself, cling firmly, adhere and incline to the thoughts: 'I have an attā,' and he knows: 'Merely dukkha arises, merely dukkha vanishes.' SN II 17 SN III 135
“ ‘The self, the self,’ bhikshus, thinks the untaught worldling, misapprehending concepts. But there is no self and what belongs to self. This suffering, arising, arises; this suffering, ceasing, ceases. Samskaras, arising, arise, samskaras ceasing, cease.” (Chinese Madhyama Agama, MA, 62, 498b)
If I - being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is a self - were to answer that there is a self, would that be in keeping with the arising of knowledge that all phenomena [dhammas] are not-self? SN iv 401
"All dhammas are not-self" is said when Nibbāna is included. NiddA. 7
Siapa yang menyusun kutipan-kutipan sutta/sutra ini? ... Justru semua kutipan ini menyebut
'self' (diri, aku), bukan
'inti yang kekal' (permanent essence, permanent substance). Justru semua kutipan itu memperkuat apa yang saya katakan.
Selain dari Bodhicitta dan Tathagathagarbha dalam Mahayana, adakah disebutkan anatta sebagai sesuatu yang tidak benar? Atau cuma spekulasi dan gerak-gerik pikiran?
Lho, pertanyaan Anda aneh ... Tampaknya Anda membaca tulisan saya secara salah! ... Di mana saya pernah berkata bahwa "anatta itu tidak benar"? ... Yang saya katakan,
umat Buddha harus membedakan antara KONSEP anatta dan FAKTA anatta. ...
KONSEP anatta tidak pernah membebaskan, bahkan sering kali membuat umat Buddha besar kepala ...
Hanya FAKTA anatta (ketika orang menembusnya dalam meditasi vipassana) yang membebaskan.
Salam,
hudoyo
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