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Beyond theism
« on: 12 November 2007, 02:38:12 PM »
Dikutip dari milis JIL ( Jaringan Islam Liberal ) :

Seorang pendeta free-thinker (Pdt.Dr. Ioanes Rakhmat dari Sekolah Tinggi Teologi Jakarta ) menulis :
Ioanes Rakhmat <ioanes27 [at] yahoo.com> wrote: Beyond theism adalah sebuah perspektif beyond theology yang tidak lagi memandang Allah sebagai a personal God atau a personal heavenly Father yang tinggal di surga di balik langit, yang duduk mengawasi bumi dan mencatat semua perilaku dan perbuatan manusia untuk kelak dipakai sebagai dasar penghakiman dan penghukuman manusia di akhir zaman; yang tidak lagi memandang Allah sewaktu-waktu berintervensi ke bumi untuk mengadakan serangkaian tindakan ajaib; yang tidak lagi memandang Allah bisa datang ke dalam dunia, menjelma menjadi manusia seperti dipercaya teologi teistik kekr****nan. Beyond theism melampaui theism sebagai sebuah konstruk teologi teistik konvensional sebagaimana dianut khususnya oleh agama-agama besar dunia yang teistik. Beyond theism tidak sama dengan atheism, sebab dalam beyond theism Allah tetap diterima keberadaannya namun tidak dijelaskan dalam kategori a personal God, melainkan
dilihat sebagai an expansive God, God in all and all in
God tanpa menjadi pantheism. Beyond theism dengan demikian sanggup melihat humanity sebagai salah satu manifestasi keilahian. Know humanity if you want to know God! Know the universe if you want to find God!

Salam,
Ioanes


Apakah Buddhism dapat dikategorikan sebagai "Beyond Theism" ?

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Re: Beyond theism
« Reply #1 on: 14 November 2007, 01:27:20 PM »
Kalo baca dri artikel tsb sih kyknya gtu.....
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Re: Beyond theism
« Reply #2 on: 14 November 2007, 01:29:12 PM »
tuhan menjadi ketuhanan ?
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Re: Beyond theism
« Reply #3 on: 14 November 2007, 05:13:49 PM »
hmmm apa tuh pendeta ga dibakar massanya yah....
khan seperti mencabut akar dari suatu pohon tuh.

bener2 jadi seperti buddhism rasanya
trus mereke khotbah nya jadi gimana yah.....  ^-^

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Re: Beyond theism
« Reply #4 on: 14 November 2007, 06:17:50 PM »
That is dhamma, bisa masuk ke agama manapun, karena dhamma ada dimana mana.
Janganlah memperhatikan kesalahan dan hal-hal yang telah atau belum dikerjakan oleh diri sendiri. Tetapi, perhatikanlah apa yang telah dikerjakan dan apa yang belum dikerjakan oleh orang lain =))

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Re: Beyond theism
« Reply #5 on: 16 November 2007, 10:29:50 AM »
betul setuju sama bro ryu
tapi maksud saya kalo di ilustrasikan itu gini
kalo orang yang dari awal disuruh yakin kalo kanan itu adalah lurus, tiba2 di dikasi kenyataan yang sebenarnya kalo lurus itu adalah jalan ke depan....
apa ga bingung semua tuh....

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Re: Beyond theism
« Reply #6 on: 16 November 2007, 12:13:42 PM »
Tuh pendeta udah dicap sesat ama sebagian umatnya..
Beliau kadang kotbah di GKI ( yang masih rada moderat and mau nerima, kalo gereja laen basanya rada nolak sh sama beliau karena pandangan2nya )..

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Re: Beyond theism
« Reply #7 on: 16 November 2007, 12:43:05 PM »
That is dhamma, bisa masuk ke agama manapun, karena dhamma ada dimana mana.

Betul tuh  ^:)^ . Dhamma itu universal  _/\_
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Re: Beyond theism
« Reply #8 on: 16 November 2007, 01:20:39 PM »
Sumber tulisan itu dari milis moderat kok ( JIL ), jadi ga bakal ada maki2 kayak di FC, jadi aman untuk post disana. Udah gw post ke milis ybs bahwa kalau Beyond Theism itu sesuai artinya dengan definisi dari pak pendeta itu, maka salah satu ajaran yang mirip2 itu adalah Buddhism...

Kita tunggu tanggapan dari sana..  :D

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Re: Beyond theism
« Reply #9 on: 16 November 2007, 06:10:34 PM »
sedikit definisi dari wikipedia:

Theism is the belief in the existence of one or more divinities or deities.

There is also a narrower sense in which theism refers to the belief that one or more divinities are immanent in the world, yet transcend it, along with the idea that divinity(s) is/are omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent.[1]

The term is attested in English from 1678, and was probably coined to contrast with atheism, a term that is attested from ca. 1587 (see the etymology section of atheism for details).

Atheism, as a philosophical view, is the position that either affirms the nonexistence of gods[1] or rejects theism.[2] When defined more broadly, atheism is the absence of belief in deities,[3] alternatively called nontheism.[4] Although atheism is often equated with irreligion, some religious philosophies, such as secular theology and some varieties of Theravada Buddhism, also lack belief in a personal god.

Many self-described atheists are skeptical of all supernatural beings and cite a lack of empirical evidence for the existence of deities. Others argue for atheism on philosophical, social or historical grounds. Although many self-described atheists tend toward secular philosophies such as humanism[5] and naturalism,[6] there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere.[7]

The term atheism originated as a pejorative epithet applied to any person or belief in conflict with established religion.[8] With the spread of freethought, scientific skepticism, and criticism of religion, the term began to gather a more specific meaning and was sometimes used as a self-description by atheists.

Nontheism is a term that covers a range of both religious and nonreligious attitudes characterized by the lack of—or simply the exclusion of—the beliefs in a personal god or gods and the general concept of theism. It is in use in the fields of Christian apologetics and general liberal theology. "Nontheism" should not be confused with "non-religion".

Its use can be applied to the ideas of atheism (both weak and strong), agnosticism, ignosticism, and skepticism, as well as to describe the philosophies of certain established religions, including Confucianism, Taoism, Jainism, Buddhism, Falun Gong.

Originally coined as synonymous with secularism, it has become an umbrella term for summarizing various distinct and even mutually exclusive positions united by a naturalist approach, sometimes in the plural, nontheisms.

Gautama Buddha was a notable non-theist: although he did teach that gods (Pali: devas) exist, he did not center his teaching around these gods, but around the explanation of dukkha (suffering, imperfection) and attaining freedom from it. The Buddha described the view of the existence of a Creator God as an example of a semi-eternalistic belief, and like the 61 other views, this belief causes suffering when one is attached to it and relates to these views with desire, hatred and delusion. At the end of the Sutta the Buddha says he knows these 62 views and he also knows the truth that surpasses them.

Although Buddhism has a vast number of scriptures and practices, the fundamental core of Buddhism, the Four Noble Truths and the Noble Eightfold Path, are distinguished in the world of religion as being absent any mention of God(s) or any notion of worship of any deity. They are purely ethical and meditative guidelines based on the truths of psychological suffering due to impermanence.

sumber: http://en.wikipedia.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontheism

lalu dimana letak beyond theism tersebut?
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