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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #15 on: 30 May 2008, 09:44:05 AM »
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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #16 on: 30 May 2008, 11:47:21 AM »
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baru tau aku..thx for the info boss...kalo gitu Nagarjuna bukanlah penemu teori Sunyata... ;D tapi kenapa banyak yg bilank dia yg menemukan teori SUnyata yak...:hammer: credited for somehing that he didn't discover...

Nagarjuna menggunakan sunnyata sebagai landasan pemikiran & tulisannya. Seluruh tulisan Nagarjuna, dan sutra-sutra Maha-prajnaparamita bernafaskan Sunnyata. - Sunnyata pada dasarnya adalah kebebasan dari dualitas, dualitas ada vs tidak ada, dualitas samsara vs nibbana.

Dalam Sutta Pitaka Pali, sunnyata hanya diajarkan dalam segelintir sutta. Seluruh isi Sutta Pitaka bukan bernafaskan kebebasan dari dualitas, melainkan justru bernafaskan dualitas samsara vs nibbana.

Dalam Abhidhamma Pali (Theravada), dualitas samsara vs nibbana ini malah berkembang lagi menjadi pluralitas dhamma-dhamma, dengan ajarannya tentang paramattha-dhamma yang terdiri dari: citta (89), cetasika (52), rupa (28?) dan nibbana (1). ...

Seorang Madhyamika akan menjawab, tidak ada paramattha-dhamma dan sammuti-dhamma, semua itu sunnyata. ... Tidak ada Empat Kesunyataan Mulia, semua itu sunnyata. ... Maka Samsara = Nibbana.

Inilah persimpangan jalan antara Madhyamika dan Theravada dalam memahami ajaran Sang Buddha.

Di kalangan para bhikkhu Theravada, biasanya sunnyata hanya dibicarakan di antara bhikkhu patipatti (pemeditasi). Antara lain, YM Buddhadasa Mahathera, sering kali menggunakan sunnyata sebagai sinonim dari anatta.

Di kalangan umat Buddha yang hanya mengunjungi kebaktian Minggu, kata 'sunnyata' dan 'anatta' menakutkan. Lalu timbullah semboyan-semboyan seperti "kosong = isi" dsb, tanpa mengerti sesungguhnya hakikat dari pikirannya sendiri.

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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #17 on: 30 May 2008, 11:54:26 AM »
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hukum Sunyata adalah..seluruh hal ada kombinasi..tidak berinti(atta)..

ini adalah Pemahan Mahayana juga..

dan dari yg gw liat..

Samsara bukan Nibbana..

kenapa begitu?

jika samsara adalah Nibbana..maka kita Nibbana..

:hammer:

bukankah Nagarjuna sangat bodoh?

oh Yesh! I think so..

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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #18 on: 30 May 2008, 11:56:11 AM »
oh iyah tambahan..

buat yg merah2

dalam Theravada ada yg namane Upekkha..

ngerti?

kalo ngerti Upekkha..kayakne aye gk perlu jelasin lage deh..
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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #19 on: 30 May 2008, 12:05:40 PM »
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hukum Sunyata adalah..seluruh hal ada kombinasi..tidak berinti(atta)..
menurut saya ini juga sebenarnya salah satu kabut...

jgn berpikir bahwa mahkluk adalah kombinasi dari panca khandha. seharusnya yg lebih ditekankan adalah "mahkluk adalaha upadana dari panca khandha, bukan panca khandhanya..."

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jika samsara adalah Nibbana..maka kita Nibbana..
ketika upadana telah lenyap, samsara & nibbana bukanlah soal lagi... itulah nibbana.

btw upekkha itu apa? perasaan? pikiran seimbang? ???
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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #20 on: 30 May 2008, 12:09:46 PM »
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hukum Sunyata adalah..seluruh hal ada kombinasi..tidak berinti(atta)..

ini adalah Pemahan Mahayana juga..

Di sini perbedaannya.
Tetapi kritik Theravada adalah, memang semua hal mempunyai satu kesamaan, yaitu tiga karakteristik khusus (dukkha, anicca, dan anatta). Memang semua hal kosong dari diri, tetapi jika tidak ada karakteristik, bagaimana hal-hal bisa dibedakan (bahkan oleh Sang Buddha)?
jeruk = apel, baik = buruk, dsb.

Selain tiga karakteristik umum (semuanya ada karakteristik ini, bahkan nibanna), hal-hal yang ada mempunyai kharakteristik khusus. Misalnya, kebencian tidak sama dengan cinta kasih, hal-hal bisa dibedakan dari karakteristik khususnya.
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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #21 on: 30 May 2008, 12:23:40 PM »
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menurut saya ini juga sebenarnya salah satu kabut...

jgn berpikir bahwa mahkluk adalah kombinasi dari panca khandha. seharusnya yg lebih ditekankan adalah "mahkluk adalaha upadana dari panca khandha, bukan panca khandhanya..."

Upadana itu kemelekatan khan? bagaimana mungkin gw hanya terdiri dari kemelekatan? jika gk ada kemelekatan(dah Nibbana) dah gk ada panca skandha?


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jika samsara adalah Nibbana..maka kita Nibbana..
ketika upadana telah lenyap, samsara & nibbana bukanlah soal lagi... itulah nibbana.

btw upekkha itu apa? perasaan? pikiran seimbang? ???
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bah..kalo Upadana telah lenyap...tentu saja Samsara adalah samsara..Nibbana adalah Nibbana...

kalo Upadana telah lenyap Samsara=Nibbana..maka sang Buddha masih samsara..gitu?

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Upekkha..

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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #22 on: 30 May 2008, 12:27:14 PM »
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hukum Sunyata adalah..seluruh hal ada kombinasi..tidak berinti(atta)..

ini adalah Pemahan Mahayana juga..

Di sini perbedaannya.
Tetapi kritik Theravada adalah, memang semua hal mempunyai satu kesamaan, yaitu tiga karakteristik khusus (dukkha, anicca, dan anatta). Memang semua hal kosong dari diri, tetapi jika tidak ada karakteristik, bagaimana hal-hal bisa dibedakan (bahkan oleh Sang Buddha)?
jeruk = apel, baik = buruk, dsb.

Selain tiga karakteristik umum (semuanya ada karakteristik ini, bahkan nibanna), hal-hal yang ada mempunyai kharakteristik khusus. Misalnya, kebencian tidak sama dengan cinta kasih, hal-hal bisa dibedakan dari karakteristik khususnya.

setoejoe~~
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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #23 on: 30 May 2008, 12:55:10 PM »
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bah..kalo Upadana telah lenyap...tentu saja Samsara adalah samsara..Nibbana adalah Nibbana...

kalo Upadana telah lenyap Samsara=Nibbana..maka sang Buddha masih samsara..gitu?

wah saya kehabisan kata-kata nih... :)

yg berasumsi, "kalau upadana telah lenyap, maka bla bla bla..." adalah upadana sendiri.
alhasil upadana ini tak kunjung padam.
ketika upadana telah padam, tak perduli apakah tubuh fisik ini masih di samsara. itulah nibbana.
Sang Buddha mengatakan: "Nibbana ada di sini dan pada saat ini."
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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #24 on: 30 May 2008, 01:06:33 PM »
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dan dari yg gw liat..
Samsara bukan Nibbana..

Ini penglihatan Theravada, bukan Madhyamika.
Silakan berpegang pada apa yang "Anda lihat".

Salam,
Hudoyo


Wikipedia - Śūnyatā

Śūnyatā, (Sanskrit noun from the adj. sūnya - 'void' ), Suññatā (Pāli; adj. suñña), stong pa nyid (Tibetan), Kuu, 空 (Japanese) qoɣusun (Mongolian) meaning "Emptiness" or "Voidness", is a characteristic of empirical phenomena arising from the fact (as observed and taught by the Buddha) that the impermanent nature of form means that nothing possesses essential, enduring identity (see anattā). In the Buddha's spiritual teaching, insight into the emptiness of phenomena (Pali: suññatānupassanā) is an aspect of the cultivation of insight (vipassanā-bhāvanā) that leads to wisdom and inner peace. The importance of this insight is especially emphasised in Mahayana Buddhism.


Nomenclature and etymology

Śūnyatā (Sanskrit) holds the semantic field of "emptiness" and is the noun form of "Shunya" (Sanskrit) which holds the semantic field "zero", literally zero "ness".

In the Mūlamadhamaka kārikas[1] attributed to Nagarjuna, Śūnyatā is qualified as "...void, unreal, and non-existent".[2] Eliot (1993: p.81) et. al. in commenting on the aforecited qualification of Śūnyatā from De la Valée Poussin, furthers that:

"None of these translations of śûnya is, however, quite satisfactory and there is much to be said for Stcherbatsky's [Stcherbatsky (1927). The Conception of Nirvana.] rendering - relative or contingent. Phenomena are śûnya or unreal because no phenomenon when taken by itself is thinkable: they are all interdependent and have no separate existence of their own."[3]


Origin and development of Śūnyatā

The theme of śūnyatā emerged from the Buddhist doctrines of Anatta (Pali, Sanskrit:Anātman—the nonexistence of the self, or Ātman) and Paticcasamuppada (Pali, Sanskrit: pratītyasamūtpāda, Interdependent Arising). The Suñña Sutta,[5] part of the Pali Canon, relates that the monk Ananda, the attendant to Gautama Buddha asked, "It is said that the world is empty, the world is empty, lord. In what respect is it said that the world is empty?" The Buddha replied, "Insofar as it is empty of a self or of anything pertaining to a self: Thus it is said, Ananda, that the world is empty."

Over time, many different philosophical schools or tenet-systems (siddhānta in Sanskrit)[6] have developed within Buddhism in an effort to explain the exact philosophical meaning of emptiness.

After the Buddha, Śūnyatā was further developed by Nāgārjuna and the Madhyamaka school, which is usually counted as an early Mahayana school. Śūnyatā ("positively" interpreted - see Tathagatagarbha section below) is also an important element of the Tathagatagarbha literature, which played a formative role in the evolution of subsequent Mahayana doctrine and practice. In the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, detailed dialogs between the perspectives of the various schools are preserved in order to train students. For example, in the Tibetan tradition some of the main philosophical schools are listed as: Vaibhasika, Sautrantika, Cittamatra, and several schools within Madhyamaka (such as Svatantrika-Madhyamika and Prasangika-Madhyamika).

It should be noted that the exact definition and extent of shunyata varies within the different Buddhist schools of philosophy which can easily lead to confusion. These tenet-systems all explain in slightly different ways what phenomena 'are empty of', which phenomena exactly are 'empty' and what emptiness means.

For example, in the Cittamatra school it is said that the mind itself ultimately exists, but other schools like the Madhyamaka deny this.

In the Mahayana Tathagatagarbha sutras, in contrast, only impermanent, changeful things and states (the realm of samsara) are said to be empty in a negative sense - but not the Buddha or Nirvana, which are stated to be real, eternal and filled with inconceivable, enduring virtues.

Further, the Lotus Sutra states that seeing all phenomena as empty (sunya) is not the highest, final attainment: the bliss of total Buddha-Wisdom supersedes even the vision of complete emptiness.


Śūnyatā in presectarian Buddhism, in the Nikayas

Sunnata (Sanskrit: Śūnyatā, "Emptiness", is the noun form of Shunya (zero) in Sanskrit, literally zero "ness") in Pali contexts is not the metaphysical Zero (non-being as a principle of being, infinite possibility as distinguished from indefinite actuality), but a characteristic of this world.

In S IV.295-96, it is explained that the Alms-man experiences a deathlike contemplation in which consciousness and feeling have been arrested. When he returns he recounts "three touches" that touch him, "emptiness" (suññato), "formlessness"(animito) and "making no plans (appanihito phasso)," and he discriminates (viveka) accordingly. The meaning of the "emptiness" as contemplated here is explained at M 1.29 as the "emancipation of the mind by Emptiness (sunnata ceto vimutti) being consequent upon the realization that `this world is empty of spirit (atta) or anything spiritual (attaniya)' (suññam idam attena vā attaniyena vā)".

The term is also used in two suttas in the Majjhima Nikaya, where it is used in the context of a progression of mental states to refer to each state's emptiness of the one below.

The stance that nothing contingent has any inherent essence forms the basis of the more sweeping 'sunyavada' doctrine. In the Mahayana, this doctrine, without denying their value, denies any essence to even the Buddha's appearance and to the promulgation of the Dhamma itself.


Later Theravada texts

In the Patisambhidamagga, many meanings are given, including nirvana. Formations are said to be empty in/of/by own-nature, a similar expression to one used in Mahayana literature.


Mahayana

The 'Vajracchedika Sutra' states the following: 'Those who see me in the body (rupena) and think of me in sounds (ghosaih), their way of thinking is false, they do not see me at all. ... The Buddha cannot be rightly understood (rjuboddhum) by any means (upayena)."

Not that "means" are not dispositive to a right understanding, but that if regarded as ends, even the most adequate means are a hindrance. What is true of ethics is also true of the supports of contemplation on emptiness: as in the well known Parable of the Raft (Alagaddupama Sutra), the means of crossing a river are of no more use when the goal of the other shore has been reached.


Śunyata in the Heart Sutra

Śūnyatā is a key theme of the Heart Sutra (one of the Mahayana Perfection of Wisdom Sutras), which is commonly chanted by Mahayana Buddhists worldwide.

The Heart Sutra declares that the skandhas, which constitute our mental and physical existence, are empty in their nature or essence, i.e., empty of any such nature or essence. But it also declares that this emptiness is the same as form (which connotes fullness)--i.e., that this is an emptiness which is at the same time not different from the kind of reality which we normally ascribe to events; it is not a nihilistic emptiness that undermines our world, but a "positive" emptiness which defines it.

"The noble bodhisattva, Avalokitesvara, engaged in the depths of the practice of the perfection of wisdom, looked down from above upon the five skandhas (aggregates), and saw that they were empty in their essential nature."
 
"Hear, O Sariputra, emptiness is form; form is just emptiness. Apart from form, emptiness is not; apaart from emptiness, form is not. Emptiness is that which is form, form is that which is emptiness. Just thus are perception, cognition, mental construction, and consciousness."
 
"Hear, O Sariputra, all phenomena of existence are marked by emptiness: not arisen, not destroyed, not unclean, not clean not deficient nor fulfilled."


Śūnyatā in Nāgārjuna's Madhyamaka school

For Nāgārjuna, who provided the most important philosophical formulation of śūnyatā, emptiness as the mark of all phenomena is a natural consequence of dependent origination; indeed, he identifies the two. In his analysis, any enduring essential nature (i.e., fullness) would prevent the process of dependent origination, would prevent any kind of origination at all, for things would simply always have been and always continue to be.

This enables Nāgārjuna to put forth a bold argument regarding the relation of nirvāna and samsāra. If all phenomenal events (i.e., the events that constitute samsāra) are empty, then they are empty of any compelling ability to cause suffering. For Nāgārjuna, nirvāna is neither something added to samsāra nor any process of taking away from it (i.e., removing the enlightened being from it). In other words, nirvāna is simply samsāra rightly experienced in light of a proper understanding of the emptiness of all things.


Sunyata in the Tathagatagarbha Sutras

The class of Buddhist scriptures known as the Tathagatagarbha sutras presents a seemingly variant understanding of Emptiness. According to these scriptures, the Buddha and Nirvana, unlike compounded conditioned phenomena, are not empty of intrinsic existence, but merely empty of the impermanent, the defective and the Self-less.

In the "Srimala Sutra" the Buddha is seen as empty of all defilement and ignorance, not of intrinsic Reality. The "Mahayana Mahaparinirvana Sutra" supports such a vision and views Ultimate Emptiness as the Buddhic cognition ("jnana") which perceives both Emptiness and non-Emptiness, wherein "the Empty is the totality of Samsara and the non-Empty is Great Nirvana". The Buddha in the Mahayana Mahaparinirvana Sutra, further, indicates that to view absolutely everything as empty is an unbalanced approach and constitutes a deviation from the middle path of Buddhism:

"The wise perceive Emptiness and non-Emptiness, the Eternal and the Impermanent, Suffering and Bliss, the Self and the non-Self. ... To perceive the Emptiness of everything and not to perceive non-Emptiness is not termed the Middle Way; to perceive the non-Self of everything and not to perceive the Self is not termed the Middle Way."

Moreover, this particular sutra contains a passage in which the Buddha castigates those who view the Tathagatagarbha (which is the indwelling, immortal Buddha-element) in each being as empty. The sutra states how the Buddha declares that they are effectively committing a form of painful spiritual suicide through their wrongheaded stance:

"By having cultivated non-Self in connection with the Tathagatagarbha and having continually cultivated Emptiness, suffering will not be eradicated but one will become like a moth in the flame of a lamp."

( The Tibetan version of the Mahayana Mahaparinirvana Sutra). The attainment of nirvanic Liberation ("moksha"), by contrast, is said to open up a realm of "utter bliss, joy, permanence, stability, [and] eternity" (ibid), in which the Buddha is "fully peaceful" (Dharmakshema "Southern" version).

Perhaps, the clearest statement of Tathagatagarbha Buddhism's understanding of Emptiness is found in the Angulimaliya Sutra, where we read the following clarifying explanation:

" ... by cultivating extreme emptiness and continually considering things to be empty, one will behold the utter destruction of all phenomena. Though Liberation is not empty, one will see and think it to be empty. Thus, for example, having thought hail-stones to be jewels, one comes to think that real gems are empty [śūnya]. Likewise, you too think of phenomena which are not empty [aśūnya] to be empty [śūnya], for viewing phenomena as empty, you dissolve into emptiness (śūnya) even those phenomena which are not empty. Some phenomena are empty [of existence] and some phenomena are not empty [of existence]. Just like the hail-stones, the billions of kleshas [mental and moral afflictions] are empty [of existence], like the hail-stones, those phenomena appertaining to ignorance are empty [of existence] and swiftly fade away. Like the real beryl gems, the Buddha is eternal. Liberation is like the real beryl gems."

Thus in the distinctive Tathagatagarbha sutras a balance is drawn between the empty, impermanent and coreless realm of samsara and the everlasting, liberative Reality of the Buddha and Nirvana. The Lotus Sutra (Chapter 4) likewise suggests that seeing all things as empty is not the ultimate Buddhic realisation, not the final "gain" or "advantage": Buddha-Wisdom is indicated there to transcend the perception of emptiness.


The Buddhist Concept of Emptiness

The Buddhist concept of Emptiness (shunyata) is a very subtle concept which is not understood by many buddhists themselves. In order to get a grasp on Emptiness it is necessary to know what Emptiness is an Emptiness of. Emptiness refers to Emptiness of inherent existence.

According the Madhyamaka, or Middle Way philosophy which is central to Mahayana Buddhism, ordinary beings misperceive all objects of perception in a fundamental way. The misperception is caused by the psychological tendency to grasp at all objects of perception as if they really existed as independent entities. This is to say that ordinary beings believe that such objects exist 'out there' as they appear to perception. Another way to frame this is to say that objects of perception are thought to have svabhava or 'inherent existence' - 'own being' or 'own power' - which is to say that they are perceived and thought to exist 'from their own side' exactly as they appear.

Sunyata - translated as Emptiness - is the concept that all objects are Empty of svabhava, they are Empty of 'inherent existence'.

Note that it is completely incorrect to think as Emptiness as being the same as Nothingness, a mistake which is often made. Emptiness does not negate the play of appearances which manifest to a multitude of sentient beings, it asserts that they are insubstantial.

The Dalai Lama (2005: p.?) states that:

"One of the most important philosophical insights in Buddhism comes from what is known as the theory of emptiness. At its heart is the deep recognition that there is a fundamental disparity between the way we perceive the world, including our own experience in it, and the way things actually are. In our day-to-day experience, we tend to relate to the world and to ourselves as if these entities possessed self-enclosed, definable, discrete and enduring reality. For instance, if we examine our own conception of selfhood, we will find that we tend to believe in the presence of an essential core to our being, which characterises our individuality and identity as a discrete ego, independent of the physical and mental elements that constitute our existence. The philosophy of emptiness reveals that this is not only a fundamental error but also the basis for attachment, clinging and the development of our numerous prejudices. According to the theory of emptiness, any belief in an objective reality grounded in the assumption of intrinsic, independent existence is simply untenable. All things and events, whether ‘material’, mental or even abstract concepts like time, are devoid of objective, independent existence. To intrinsically possess such independent existence would imply that all things and events are somehow complete unto themselves and are therefore entirely self-contained. This would mean that nothing has the capacity to interact with or exert influence on any other phenomena. But we know that there is cause and effect – turn a key in a car, the starter motor turns the engine over, spark plugs ignite and fuel begins to burn… Yet in a universe of self-contained, inherently existing things, these events could never occur! So effectively, the notion of intrinsic existence is incompatible with causation; this is because causation implies contingency and dependence, while anything that inherently existed would be immutable and self-enclosed. In the theory of emptiness, everything is argued as merely being composed of dependently related events; of continuously interacting phenomena with no fixed, immutable essence, which are themselves in dynamic and constantly changing relations. Thus, things and events are 'empty' in that they can never possess any immutable essence, intrinsic reality or absolute ‘being’ that affords independence."[10]



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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #25 on: 30 May 2008, 01:10:56 PM »
Di sini perbedaannya.
Tetapi kritik Theravada adalah, memang semua hal mempunyai satu kesamaan, yaitu tiga karakteristik khusus (dukkha, anicca, dan anatta). Memang semua hal kosong dari diri, tetapi jika tidak ada karakteristik, bagaimana hal-hal bisa dibedakan (bahkan oleh Sang Buddha)?
jeruk = apel, baik = buruk, dsb.

Selain tiga karakteristik umum (semuanya ada karakteristik ini, bahkan nibanna), hal-hal yang ada mempunyai kharakteristik khusus. Misalnya, kebencian tidak sama dengan cinta kasih, hal-hal bisa dibedakan dari karakteristik khususnya.

"Baik" vs "buruk", "samsara" vs "nibbana", "atta" vs "anatta", "cinta" vs "benci", semua dualitas itu diciptakan oleh pikiran.
PEMBEDAAN adalah gerak pikiran.
Bila pikiran berhenti, semua pembedaan itu, semua dualitas itu runtuh.

Ini terlihat di dalam KEHENINGAN vipassana.

Salam,
Hudoyo

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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #26 on: 30 May 2008, 01:24:47 PM »
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"Baik" vs "buruk", "Samsara" vs "nibbana", "atta" vs "anatta", "cinta" vs "benci", semua dualitas itu diciptakan oleh pikiran.
PEMBEDAAN adalah gerak pikiran.
Bila pikiran berhenti, semua pembedaan itu, semua dualitas itu runtuh.

Ini terlihat di dalam KEHENINGAN vipassana.

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Mungkin begitu kalau instruksi "Yang Sadar" kepada "Yang Sadar". Sekarang saya hanya berusaha sadar Pak, masih belum sadar. Kalau sebagai orang belum sadar saya membayangkan "Yang Sadar" saja, kapan saya sadarnya?
Jangan bilang lagi gak usah pakai kata kapan. Kapan ini juga cuma istilah saja.
Usaha saya juga masih mengandalkan "konsep".
Jangan bilang lagi gak usah pakak kata masih. Masih ini juga cuma istilah saja.
Saya ditanya berhenti, saya masih pakai konsep berhenti Pak, sampai berhenti sesungguhnya.
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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #27 on: 30 May 2008, 01:27:29 PM »
Jadi sebenernya sunnyata karena anatta atau sunyata = anatta?

yg di maksud kosong(sunyatta) karena tidak ada yg permanen ya, anicca--->anatta?

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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #28 on: 30 May 2008, 01:28:34 PM »
Mungkin begitu kalau instruksi "Yang Sadar" kepada "Yang Sadar". Sekarang saya hanya berusaha sadar Pak, masih belum sadar. Kalau sebagai orang belum sadar saya membayangkan "Yang Sadar" saja, kapan saya sadarnya?
Jangan bilang lagi gak usah pakai kata kapan. Kapan ini juga cuma istilah saja.
Usaha saya juga masih mengandalkan "konsep".
Jangan bilang lagi gak usah pakak kata masih. Masih ini juga cuma istilah saja.
Saya ditanya berhenti, saya masih pakai konsep berhenti Pak, sampai berhenti sesungguhnya.

Selama orang tetap berpegang pada konsep--konsep pikiran yang dualistik, ia tidak akan pernah bebas.

Salam,
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Re: Ajaran Sunnata Dalam Theravada
« Reply #29 on: 30 May 2008, 01:29:36 PM »
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Selama orang tetap berpegang pada konsep--konsep pikiran yang dualistik, ia tidak akan pernah bebas.

Maksud saya juga mau lepas bahkan dari kata-kata itu Pak.
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