Gunung sumeru atau montain meru dalam Buddhisme?

[kullatiro]

nah ada yang bisa bercerita tentang gunung semeru atau mahameru atau gunung meru jangan obrolin lekuk gunung saja seperti di forum bawah tapi kita juga bisa mengerti gunung meru yang banyak di sebut sebut di Buddhisme ( betul tidak sihh)?

[johan3000]

nah ada yang bisa bercerita tentang gunung semeru atau mahameru atau gunung meru jangan obrolin lekuk gunung saja seperti di forum bawah tapi kita juga bisa mengerti gunung meru yang banyak di sebut sebut di Buddhisme ( betul tidak sihh)?

ni mulai dari mana bro ? apa hubungannya gunu semeru dgn Buddhism ? mohon bantuannya dehhh 

[kullatiro]

wa ada baca ini tapi gak ngertii juga

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumeru

The world-mountain of Sumeru is an immense, strangely shaped peak which arises in the center of the world, and around which the Sun and Moon revolve. Its base rests in a vast ocean, and it is surrounded by several rings of lesser mountain ranges and oceans. The three worlds listed below are all located on or around Sumeru: the Trāyastriṃśa devas live on its peak, the Cāturmahārājikakāyika devas live on its slopes, and the Asuras live in the ocean at its base. Sumeru and its surrounding oceans and mountains are the home not just of these deities, but also vast assemblies of beings of popular mythology who only rarely intrude on the human world.

    * Trāyastriṃśa or Tāvatiṃsa (Tib: sum cu rtsa gsum pa) – The world "of the Thirty-three (devas)" is a wide flat space on the top of Mount Sumeru, filled with the gardens and palaces of the devas. Its ruler is Śakra devānām indra, "Śakra, lord of the devas". Besides the eponymous Thirty-three devas, many other devas and supernatural beings dwell here, including the attendants of the devas and many apsarases (nymphs). The beings of this world are 1,500 feet (460 m) tall and live for 36,000,000 years (Sarvāstivāda tradition) or 3/4 of a yojana tall and live for 30,000,000 years (Vibhajyavāda tradition). The height of this world is 80 yojanas above the Earth.

    * Cāturmahārājikakāyika or Cātummahārājika (Tib: rgyal chen bzhi) – The world "of the Four Great Kings" is found on the lower slopes of Mount Sumeru, though some of its inhabitants live in the air around the mountain. Its rulers are the four Great Kings of the name, Virūḍhaka, Dhṛtarāṣṭra, Virūpākṣa, and their leader Vaiśravaṇa. The devas who guide the Sun and Moon are also considered part of this world, as are the retinues of the four kings, composed of Kumbhāṇḍas (dwarfs), Gandharvas (fairies), Nāgas (dragons) and Yakṣas (goblins). The beings of this world are 750 feet (230 m) tall and live for 9,000,000 years (Sarvāstivāda tradition) or 90,000 years (Vibhajyavāda tradition). The height of this world is from sea level up to 40 yojanas above the Earth.

    * Asura (Tib: lha ma yin) – The world of the Asuras is the space at the foot of Mount Sumeru, much of which is a deep ocean. It is not the Asuras' original home, but the place they found themselves after they were hurled, drunken, from Trāyastriṃśa where they had formerly lived. The Asuras are always fighting to regain their lost kingdom on the top of Mount Sumeru, but are unable to break the guard of the Four Great Kings. The Asuras are divided into many groups, and have no single ruler, but among their leaders are Vemacitrin (Pāli: Vepacitti) and Rāhu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology

sebenarnya yang ingin di tanya tentang "lake manasarova" tapi untuk mengerti lake manasarova mesti mengerti tempat nya dulu di gunung sumeru ini atau wadah nya si telaga tersebut.

sedang wa sama sekali tidak tahu apa tentang gunung semeru ini baca wiki pengetahuan nya hanya sebatas itu saja. ada yang punya cerita atau menjelaskan tentang gunung semeru ini.

Buddhists also associate the lake to the legendary lake known as Anavatapta in Sanskrit and Anotatta in Pali, where Queen Maya is believed to have conceived Buddha. The lake has a few monasteries on its shores. The most notable of which is the ancient Chiu Gompa Monastery, which has been built right onto a steep hill. It looks as if it has been carved right out of the rock.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Manasarovar

setelah dapat mengerti telaga tersebut baru bisa mengerti sesungguh nya " anavatapta" menurut urutan nya seharus nya seperti  itu

Anavatapta (阿那婆達多 in Chinese and Japanese) is the lake lying at the center of the world, according to an ancient Buddhist cosmological view. The name Anavatapta means "heat-free"; the waters of the lake were thought to be able to soothe the fires that torment beings. Anavatapta is also the name of the dragon that lives in the lake; having become a Bodhisattva, it was free from the distresses that plague other dragons, which are tormented by fiery heat and preyed on by Garuda birds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anavatapta

[Indra]

menurut yg saya pahami, gunung Meru ini adalah salah satu gunung tertinggi dalam jajaran pegunungan Himalaya. pada masa vassa di tahun ke-7 Sang Buddha membabarkan Abhidhamma di alam surga Tavatimsa, dan setelah 3 bulan masa vassa itu setelah pembabaran selesai, Sang Buddha turun ke alam manusia melalui tangga ciptaan para dewa melalui gunung ini. sehingga disimpulkan bahwa alam surga Tavatimsa terletak di puncak gunung ini.

gunung ini juga terdapat dalam kisah Ramayana dan Mahabharata dari kebudayaan Hindu, yg kemudian masuk ke indonesia dan berasimilasi dengan kisah2 perwayangan jawa, hingga kemudian di pulau jawa ini, sebuah gunung yg dianggap sakral juga dinamai dengan nama yg sama yaitu Gunung Semeru.

[kullatiro]

masalah keempat "Anavapta gatha" manuscript telah muncul kembali kedunia

Two Gandhari Manuscripts of the Song of Lake Anavatapta (Anavatapta-gatha): British Library Kharosthi Fragment 1 and Senior Scroll 14. By Richard Salomon with contributions by Andrew Glass. Gandharan Buddhist Texts, vol. 5. Seattle: University of Washington Press, 2008. Pp. xxv + 444, 22 plates, 23 figs.

Read more: http://www.faqs.org/periodicals/201001/2219875741.html#ixzz1DHlMKbws

http://www.faqs.org/periodicals/201001/2219875741.html
belum pernah baca ini gatha seperti apa?

[kullatiro]

Sundul siapa tahu sudah ada yang tahu tentang "the Song of Lake
Anavatapta (Anavatapta-
gatha) ini.

[seniya]

    Sineru

A mountain, forming the centre of the world. It is submerged in the sea to a depth of eighty four thousand yojanas and rises above the surface to the same height. It is surrounded by seven mountain ranges -

    Yugandhara,
    Isadhara,
    Karavīka,
    Sudassana,
    Nemindhara,
    Vinataka and
    Assakanna

(SNA.ii.443; Sp.i.119; Vsm.206; cp. Mtu.ii.300; Dvy.217; it is eighty thousand leagues broad, A.iv.100).

On the top of Sineru is Tāvatimsa (SNA.ii.485f), while at its foot is the Asurabhavana of ten thousand leagues; in the middle are the four Mahādīpā with their two thousand smaller dīpā. (The Asurabhavana was not originally there, but sprang up by the power of the Asuras when they were thrown down from Tāvatimsa, DhA.i.272; see, e.g., SNA.i.201).

Sineru is often used in similes, its chief characteristic being its un-shake ability (sutthuthapita) (E.g., SN. vs.683). It is also called Meru or Sumeru (E.g., Cv.xlii.2), Hemameru (E.g., Cv.xxxii.79) and Mahāneru (M.i.338; also Neru, J.iii.247).

Each Cakkavāla has its own Sineru (A.i.227; v.59), and a time comes when even Sineru is destroyed (S.iii.149).

When the Buddha went to Tāvatimsa, he covered the distance there from the earth in three strides he set his right foot down on the top of Yugandhara and his left on Sineru, the next step brought him to Tāvatimsa, the whole distance so covered being sixty eight hundred thousand leagues. DhA.iii.216.

http://www.palikanon.com/english/pali_names/s/sineru.htm