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The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« on: 14 January 2014, 09:42:49 PM »


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I'd like to tell you about a legal case that I worked on involving a man named Steve Titus.

Titus was a restaurant manager. He was 31 years old, he lived in Seattle, Washington, he was engaged to Gretchen, about to be married, she was the love of his life. And one night, the couple went out for a romantic restaurant meal. They were on their way home, and they were pulled over by a police officer. You see, Titus' car sort of resembled a car that was driven earlier in the evening by a man who raped a female hitchhiker, and Titus kind of resembled that rapist. So the police took a picture of Titus, they put it in a photo lineup, they later showed it to the victim, and she pointed to Titus' photo. She said, "That one's the closest." The police and the prosecution proceeded with a trial, and when Steve Titus was put on trial for rape, the rape victim got on the stand and said, "I'm absolutely positive that's the man." And Titus was convicted. He proclaimed his innocence, his family screamed at the jury, his fiancée collapsed on the floor sobbing, and Titus is taken away to jail.

So what would you do at this point? What would you do? Well, Titus lost complete faith in the legal system, and yet he got an idea. He called up the local newspaper, he got the interest of an investigative journalist, and that journalist actually found the real rapist, a man who ultimately confessed to this rape, a man who was thought to have committed 50 rapes in that area, and when this information was given to the judge, the judge set Titus free.

And really, that's where this case should have ended. It should have been over. Titus should have thought of this as a horrible year, a year of accusation and trial, but over.

It didn't end that way. Titus was so bitter. He'd lost his job. He couldn't get it back. He lost his fiancée. She couldn't put up with his persistent anger. He lost his entire savings, and so he decided to file a lawsuit against the police and others whom he felt were responsible for his suffering.

And that's when I really started working on this case, trying to figure out how did that victim go from "That one's the closest" to "I'm absolutely positive that's the guy."

Well, Titus was consumed with his civil case. He spent every waking moment thinking about it, and just days before he was to have his day in court, he woke up in the morning, doubled over in pain, and died of a stress-related heart attack. He was 35 years old.

So I was asked to work on Titus' case because I'm a psychological scientist. I study memory. I've studied memory for decades. And if I meet somebody on an airplane -- this happened on the way over to Scotland -- if I meet somebody on an airplane, and we ask each other, "What do you do? What do you do?" and I say "I study memory," they usually want to tell me how they have trouble remembering names, or they've got a relative who's got Alzheimer's or some kind of memory problem, but I have to tell them I don't study when people forget. I study the opposite: when they remember, when they remember things that didn't happen or remember things that were different from the way they really were. I study false memories.

Unhappily, Steve Titus is not the only person to be convicted based on somebody's false memory. In one project in the United States, information has been gathered on 300 innocent people, 300 defendants who were convicted of crimes they didn't do. They spent 10, 20, 30 years in prison for these crimes, and now DNA testing has proven that they are actually innocent. And when those cases have been analyzed, three quarters of them are due to faulty memory, faulty eyewitness memory.

Well, why? Like the jurors who convicted those innocent people and the jurors who convicted Titus, many people believe that memory works like a recording device. You just record the information, then you call it up and play it back when you want to answer questions or identify images. But decades of work in psychology has shown that this just isn't true. Our memories are constructive. They're reconstructive. Memory works a little bit more like a Wikipedia page: You can go in there and change it, but so can other people. I first started studying this constructive memory process in the 1970s. I did my experiments that involved showing people simulated crimes and accidents and asking them questions about what they remember. In one study, we showed people a simulated accident and we asked people, how fast were the cars going when they hit each other? And we asked other people, how fast were the cars going when they smashed into each other? And if we asked the leading "smashed" question, the witnesses told us the cars were going faster, and moreover, that leading "smashed" question caused people to be more likely to tell us that they saw broken glass in the accident scene when there wasn't any broken glass at all. In another study, we showed a simulated accident where a car went through an intersection with a stop sign, and if we asked a question that insinuated it was a yield sign, many witnesses told us they remember seeing a yield sign at the intersection, not a stop sign.

And you might be thinking, well, you know, these are filmed events, they are not particularly stressful. Would the same kind of mistakes be made with a really stressful event? In a study we published just a few months ago, we have an answer to this question, because what was unusual about this study is we arranged for people to have a very stressful experience. The subjects in this study were members of the U.S. military who were undergoing a harrowing training exercise to teach them what it's going to be like for them if they are ever captured as prisoners of war. And as part of this training exercise, these soldiers are interrogated in an aggressive, hostile, physically abusive fashion for 30 minutes and later on they have to try to identify the person who conducted that interrogation. And when we feed them suggestive information that insinuates it's a different person, many of them misidentify their interrogator, often identifying someone who doesn't even remotely resemble the real interrogator.

And so what these studies are showing is that when you feed people misinformation about some experience that they may have had, you can distort or contaminate or change their memory.

Well out there in the real world, misinformation is everywhere. We get misinformation not only if we're questioned in a leading way, but if we talk to other witnesses who might consciously or inadvertently feed us some erroneous information, or if we see media coverage about some event we might have experienced, all of these provide the opportunity for this kind of contamination of our memory.

In the 1990s, we began to see an even more extreme kind of memory problem. Some patients were going into therapy with one problem -- maybe they had depression, an eating disorder -- and they were coming out of therapy with a different problem. Extreme memories for horrific brutalizations, sometimes in satanic rituals, sometimes involving really bizarre and unusual elements. One woman came out of psychotherapy believing that she'd endured years of ritualistic abuse, where she was forced into a pregnancy and that the baby was cut from her belly. But there were no physical scars or any kind of physical evidence that could have supported her story. And when I began looking into these cases, I was wondering, where do these bizarre memories come from? And what I found is that most of these situations involved some particular form of psychotherapy. And so I asked, were some of the things going on in this psychotherapy -- like the imagination exercises or dream interpretation, or in some cases hypnosis, or in some cases exposure to false information -- were these leading these patients to develop these very bizarre, unlikely memories? And I designed some experiments to try to study the processes that were being used in this psychotherapy so I could study the development of these very rich false memories.

In one of the first studies we did, we used suggestion, a method inspired by the psychotherapy we saw in these cases, we used this kind of suggestion and planted a false memory that when you were a kid, five or six years old, you were lost in a shopping mall. You were frightened. You were crying. You were ultimately rescued by an elderly person and reunited with the family. And we succeeded in planting this memory in the minds of about a quarter of our subjects. And you might be thinking, well, that's not particularly stressful. But we and other investigators have planted rich false memories of things that were much more unusual and much more stressful. So in a study done in Tennessee, researchers planted the false memory that when you were a kid, you nearly drowned and had to be rescued by a life guard. And in a study done in Canada, researchers planted the false memory that when you were a kid, something as awful as being attacked by a vicious animal happened to you, succeeding with about half of their subjects. And in a study done in Italy, researchers planted the false memory, when you were a kid, you witnessed demonic possession.

I do want to add that it might seem like we are traumatizing these experimental subjects in the name of science, but our studies have gone through thorough evaluation by research ethics boards that have made the decision that the temporary discomfort that some of these subjects might experience in these studies is outweighed by the importance of this problem for understanding memory processes and the abuse of memory that is going on in some places in the world.

Well, to my surprise, when I published this work and began to speak out against this particular brand of psychotherapy, it created some pretty bad problems for me: hostilities, primarily from the repressed memory therapists, who felt under attack, and by the patients whom they had influenced. I had sometimes armed guards at speeches that I was invited to give, people trying to drum up letter-writing campaigns to get me fired. But probably the worst was I suspected that a woman was innocent of abuse that was being claimed by her grown daughter. She accused her mother of sexual abuse based on a repressed memory. And this accusing daughter had actually allowed her story to be filmed and presented in public places. I was suspicious of this story, and so I started to investigate, and eventually found information that convinced me that this mother was innocent. I published an exposé on the case, and a little while later, the accusing daughter filed a lawsuit. Even though I'd never mentioned her name, she sued me for defamation and invasion of privacy. And I went through nearly five years of dealing with this messy, unpleasant litigation, but finally, finally, it was over and I could really get back to my work. In the process, however, I became part of a disturbing trend in America where scientists are being sued for simply speaking out on matters of great public controversy.

When I got back to my work, I asked this question: if I plant a false memory in your mind, does it have repercussions? Does it affect your later thoughts, your later behaviors? Our first study planted a false memory that you got sick as a child eating certain foods: hard-boiled eggs, dill pickles, strawberry ice cream. And we found that once we planted this false memory, people didn't want to eat the foods as much at an outdoor picnic. The false memories aren't necessarily bad or unpleasant. If we planted a warm, fuzzy memory involving a healthy food like asparagus, we could get people to want to eat asparagus more. And so what these studies are showing is that you can plant false memories and they have repercussions that affect behavior long after the memories take hold.

Well, along with this ability to plant memories and control behavior obviously come some important ethical issues, like, when should we use this mind technology? And should we ever ban its use? Therapists can't ethically plant false memories in the mind of their patients even if it would help the patient, but there's nothing to stop a parent from trying this out on their overweight or obese teenager. And when I suggested this publicly, it created an outcry again. "There she goes. She's advocating that parents lie to their children."

Hello, Santa Claus. (Laughter)

I mean, another way to think about this is, which would you rather have, a kid with obesity, diabetes, shortened lifespan, all the things that go with it, or a kid with one little extra bit of false memory? I know what I would choose for a kid of mine.

But maybe my work has made me different from most people. Most people cherish their memories, know that they represent their identity, who they are, where they came from. And I appreciate that. I feel that way too. But I know from my work how much fiction is already in there. If I've learned anything from these decades of working on these problems, it's this: just because somebody tells you something and they say it with confidence, just because they say it with lots of detail, just because they express emotion when they say it, it doesn't mean that it really happened. We can't reliably distinguish true memories from false memories. We need independent corroboration. Such a discovery has made me more tolerant of the everyday memory mistakes that my friends and family members make. Such a discovery might have saved Steve Titus, the man whose whole future was snatched away by a false memory.

But meanwhile, we should all keep in mind, we'd do well to, that memory, like liberty, is a fragile thing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. (Applause) Thanks very much. (Applause)


Hal ini sudah lama saya perhatikan memang sering ada dan ternyata ada scientistnya jg yg mempelajari ini. :jempol:

Ini bukan hanya ditanamkan oleh orang lain, tapi banyak yg ditanamkan oleh diri sendiri juga -.-!

Percobaannya masih belum masuk sampai ranah kepercayaan/agama, bisa lebih2 diteror. Demikian pula dengan ingatan dan eksperiensial Buddhisme... Baik dari praktek biasa sampai pengalaman meditasi...  Sungguh fragile memory ini!
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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #1 on: 15 January 2014, 10:59:02 AM »
have a journal
ini ID cloning utk berbicara sesuka hati

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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #2 on: 15 January 2014, 12:34:00 PM »
menurut saya, kasus ini sangat sulit dipercaya, bahwa Polisi Amerika dengan sangat mudah menetapkan TED sebagai tersangka hanya berdasarkan keterangan korban saja...

Minimal harus ada 2 alat bukti...

Anggap keterangan korban sebagai salah satu alat bukti (bukti ke-1), maka Polisi akan dengan mudah mendapatkan informasi tentang keberadaan TED di hari perkosaan terjadi dan lain-lain...

Dengan tidak ada-nya hubungan antara TED, korban maupun pelaku sebenar-nya, maka menurut saya, penetapan TED sebagai tersangka perkosaan adalah SANGAT GEGABAH... sulit dibayangkan polisi Amerika melakukan itu...
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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #3 on: 16 January 2014, 02:59:08 PM »
have a journal

entah saat ini / jaman ini masih banyak yang menyempatkan diri tiap hari menulis jurnal atau diary.

semestinya dengan kemajuan jaman jurnal atau diary tidak hanya dalam bentuk tulisan, gambar atau photo tapi juga short video dan voice recording.

jaman ini wa lihat banyakan yang nge tweet (twitter).
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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #4 on: 16 January 2014, 03:13:53 PM »
banyak tools elektronik utk menulis jurnal, cuma nda ada yg sempat kali. Kapan coba kita refer balik ke jurnal :D
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ingatan itu fragile sekali. ketika kejadian bahkan imo pengetahuan yg lalu itu bisa mempengaruhi. jadi apa yg dirasakan diingat itu kadang juga sudah terkontaminasi. maka itu, ketika kontak masuk, persepsi interfere, baru sensasi/vedana itu kick in.

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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #5 on: 18 January 2014, 03:39:27 PM »
banyak tools elektronik utk menulis jurnal, cuma nda ada yg sempat kali. Kapan coba kita refer balik ke jurnal :D
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ingatan itu fragile sekali. ketika kejadian bahkan imo pengetahuan yg lalu itu bisa mempengaruhi. jadi apa yg dirasakan diingat itu kadang juga sudah terkontaminasi. maka itu, ketika kontak masuk, persepsi interfere, baru sensasi/vedana itu kick in.



Menurut saya ingatan itu luar biasa... kalau tidak luar biasa, tidak akan ada konsep mengingat kehidupan lampau yang bisa berlangsung sampai waktu yang sangat lamaaaaaaa sekali...
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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #6 on: 18 January 2014, 04:22:24 PM »
Menurut saya ingatan itu luar biasa... kalau tidak luar biasa, tidak akan ada konsep mengingat kehidupan lampau yang bisa berlangsung sampai waktu yang sangat lamaaaaaaa sekali...

 actually thats the whole pointnya juga. Luar biasa at the sametime juga so fragile... Dan kita tidak tahu apakah itu tampered atau bukan, dan tidak bisa tahu itu actual past life memory or... juga a false construct.
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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #7 on: 18 January 2014, 05:54:38 PM »
pada saat tweet juga sudah terkontaminasi keinginan utk menampilkan apa yg ingin dipamerkan ke orang lain. jadi sudah sangat memungkinkan public tweet (atau posting) udah meleset dari kejadian sebenarnya
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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #8 on: 22 January 2014, 06:19:24 PM »
http://www.history.com/shows/your-bleeped-up-brain/about


We have all been deceived, bought into superstitions, confused fact with fiction and had a lapse in memory. Our brains can’t help but be tricked—it happens to everyone. And the little mental missteps we all encounter have also tripped up the world’s greatest leaders and impacted the most important events of history.  See what an alien abduction reveals about your memory, learn how a séance in the White House holds the key to superstition, uncover a conspiracy theory about the moon landing and investigate how Adolf Hitler employed deception during WWII. In this four-part H2 mini-series event, you’ll take part in a series of mind-bending experiments that will explain how everything in History can be traced back to Your Bleeped Up Brain.



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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #9 on: 22 January 2014, 07:01:26 PM »
jd itu foto apa dunkkkk..lanjutannya mana?
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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #10 on: 22 January 2014, 07:06:46 PM »
jd itu foto apa dunkkkk..lanjutannya mana?

Whats wrong with those photo ?
di youtube...
yeah yeah... i remember... the crowd... thousand of peoples.... etc etc...

meanwhile aslinya?
asli nya bgini:

there is no crowd, there is no thousand of peoples...


So... kesimpulan...
our bleeped brain bisa seenak'e ngarang

penasaran pengen lebih ?
tune in ke history channel...

or... Youtube: Your bleeped up Brain

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Re: The fiction of memory (False Memory)
« Reply #11 on: 23 January 2014, 07:47:47 AM »
nda ada diyoutube karena copyrighted, adanya jalur hitam :)).

 so far baru ada 4 episode. http://www.history.com/shows/your-bleeped-up-brain
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