Mangkuk Sang Buddha ada di Kabul, Afghanistan????

[seniya]

Ternyata barang bersejarah peninggalan Sang Buddha masih dapat ditemukan di Afghanistan:

One of the most revered relics in the ancient Buddhist world was the Buddha’s begging bowl. A rough outline of its long convoluted history is this – it was supposedly given to the people of Vesali when the Buddha passed through the city on his way to Kusinara. In the 1st/2nd century King Kanishka took it to Pushapura, now Peshawar, where a string of Chinese pilgrims reported seeing it between the 3rd and the 9th centuries. The importance of the bowl is attested by numerous depictions of it in Ghandara art, usually shown on the pedestal of Buddha statues. During the Islamic period it was taken from one palace or mosque to another until at a date unknown it ended up in Sultan Ways Bābā’s shrine on the outskirts of Kandahar. Several British officers report seeing in there in the 19th century, one attempting to translate the inscription on it, and another, Alexander Cunningham, trying to trace its history, a fact I mention in my Middle Land Middle Way (1992, p.136). In the late 1980s during Afghanistan’s civil war President Najibullah had the bowl taken to Kabul’s National Museum. When the Taliban came to power their Minister of Culture ordered all Buddhist artifacts in the museum smashed although the bowl remained undamaged, no doubt because of the Quranic verses inscribed on its outer surface. Today the bowl is displayed at the entrance of the Museum.

The bowl is not small. It is a stone hemispherical vessel of greenish-grey granite with a diameter of about 1.75 meters, a height of about three ¾ of a meter, and a thickness of about 18 cm at its rim, rather thicker elsewhere particularly at its middle and the base. It has no cracks or abrasions, except for a portion about the size of the palm of one’s hand that has flaked away from near the rim. There is a delicate lotus petal design chiseled around its base, attesting to its Buddhist past, and, inscribed in beautiful large calligraphic script horizontally along the rim of the bowl, are six rows of verses from the Quran, reflecting its Islamic continuum and its status through the ages as an object of special religious interest. Traces of similar calligraphic script are visible on the surface on the inner side of the bowl. The bowl is about 350 to 400 kg in weigh, far too heavy to lift.

http://sdhammika.blogspot.com/2011/11/buddhas-begging-bowl.html

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[Wolvie]

memang di afghanistan sebenernya gudangnya artefak Buddhist, conto paling kentara ya situs Buddha Bamiyan, terus selain itu pernah baca juga berita diketemukan lagi situs Buddhist di afghanistan tapi ga tau tepatnya daerah mana..

sayang esktremist masih berkuasa, contohnya peledakan rupang bersejarah di Bamiyan..

[Indra]

The bowl is not small. It is a stone hemispherical vessel of greenish-grey granite with a diameter of about 1.75 meters, a height of about three ¾ of a meter,

The bowl is about 350 to 400 kg in weigh

diameter 1.75m dan tinggi 75cm, berat 350kg. gue gak yakin Sang Buddha bawa2 mangkuk sebesar ini.

[andry]

diameter 1.75m dan tinggi 75cm, berat 350kg. gue gak yakin Sang Buddha bawa2 mangkuk sebesar ini.

menurut om indra, jika mau di lihat dr struktur sejarah.
apakah tinggi badan org2 di india pada masa jaman 2500 thn yg silam, kurang lebih sama dgn tinggi manusia pada jaman sekarang?
 atau memang msh pd gigantic?

[will_i_am]

gede banget mangkuknya??
saya kurang percaya kalau itu mangkuknya sang buddha...

[El Sol]

mungkinkah itu object untuk melambangkan sang Buddha, seperti rupang yg kita gunakan sekarang?

[Menander]

saya tambahin artikel yang berhubungan dengan peninggalan sejarah Buddha di kabul-afganistan

http://pilgriminkabul.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/day-3-wednesday-march-16/

diameter 1.75m dan tinggi 75cm, berat 350kg. gue gak yakin Sang Buddha bawa2 mangkuk sebesar ini.

saya juga kurang yakin kalau mangkok yaang dipakai Sang Buddha sebesar itu.. bisa jadi sebuah monumen yg berbentuk mangkok Buddha yang dibuat oleh masyarakat saat itu..

memang di afghanistan sebenernya gudangnya artefak Buddhist, conto paling kentara ya situs Buddha Bamiyan, terus selain itu pernah baca juga berita diketemukan lagi situs Buddhist di afghanistan tapi ga tau tepatnya daerah mana..

sayang esktremist masih berkuasa, contohnya peledakan rupang bersejarah di Bamiyan..

iya di timur tengah sebenarnya banyak peninggalan sejarah Buddha namun sayang banyak yang sudah dirusak..

bahkan era 155 BC to 130 BC, Saya sebagai raja Indo-Yunani sang penakluk yang luas kekuasaannya melebihi kekuasaan Alexander Agung memeluk agama Buddha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menander_I

[Indra]

menurut om indra, jika mau di lihat dr struktur sejarah.
apakah tinggi badan org2 di india pada masa jaman 2500 thn yg silam, kurang lebih sama dgn tinggi manusia pada jaman sekarang?
 atau memang msh pd gigantic?

tidak ada bukti arkeologis untuk kasus ini

[andry]

mungkinkah itu object untuk melambangkan sang Buddha, seperti rupang yg kita gunakan sekarang?

bisa jadi, ada juga nilai filosif dan makna yg terkandung di dalamnya.

[adi lim]

saya kira itu replika/jiplakan model mangkok Buddha hanya utk objek penghormatan oleh umat jaman dulu.

seperti 'klaim' penemuan siripada(tapak kaki Sang Buddha) dimana tapaknya cukup besar dibandingkan ukuran manusia di beberapa negara

[seniya]

diameter 1.75m dan tinggi 75cm, berat 350kg. gue gak yakin Sang Buddha bawa2 mangkuk sebesar ini.

Yup, ukuran dan beratnya menimbulkan keraguan bahwa itu mangkuk yg asli. Bhikkhu S. Dhammika, penulis blog ini, juga tidak menyangkal bahwa kemungkinan itu hanyalah replika:

The bowl was probably an early larger copy of the Buddha’s actual bowl placed in a monastery in Vesali for people to offer their first fruits in, a custom common in ancient India and which survived even in Sri Lanka and elsewhere up to the 19th century. The bowl’s great size may well have encouraged the acceptance of the widespread belief amongst ancient Buddhists that the Buddha was 18 feet tall. Only someone that big could have used or even lifted a bowl this size.

Klaim pemerintah Afghanistan bhw itu mangkuk Sang Buddha yg diberikan kepada orang-orang di Vaishali (Vesali) jg sedang diselidiki oleh badan arkeologi India atas permintaan parlemen India:

I am writing about the Buddha’s begging bowl because after being in obscurity for so long it recently hit the headlines in India when it was mentioned in the Lok Sabha, India’s parliament. I reproduce the below from the Ministry of External Affairs website.

MP Dr. Raghuvansh Prasad Singh asked; “Will the Minister of External Affairs be pleased to state: (a) whether the Government has recently got the information that the begging bowl of Buddha, given to the people of Vaishali by him, has been found in the Kabul museum; (b) if so, the details thereof; (c) whether the Indian Embassy in Afghanistan has sent a photo of the said bowl to the Government; (d) if so, the details thereof; (e) whether the Government has initiated the process to recover the said bowl; (f) if so, the details thereof; (g) whether the travelogues of the Chinese pilgrim Fa-hein and the writings of Dr. Cunningham and Shri S.V. Sahni mention the said bowl; and (h) if so, the details thereof?”

The Minister Prenteet Kaur in reply answered; “The Embassy of India, Kabul has made enquiries in the matter. It is learnt that the item purported to be Lord Buddha’s begging bowl was apparently in Kandahar until the regime of former President Najibullah. It was later brought to Kabul and is currently in the Kabul Museum. It has been pointed out that the begging bowl, a photo of which our Embassy has obtained, is rather large, besides having inscription in Arabic and Persian, thus calling into question its provenance. The Archaeological Survey of India has been requested to convey any information or advice it may have regarding the provenance of the bowl currently in Kabul Museum”.

Soal ukuran tubuh Sang Buddha memang dalam RAPB dikatakan Sang Buddha berukuran gigantic (16 atau 18 lengan), ini mungkin mengikuti tradisi yang populer dlm masyarakat Buddhis. Menurut The Dhamma Encyclopedia, tinggi badan Sang Buddha menurut teks kanon adalah 6 kaki (katanya sumbernya dr S.I,62, tetapi saya tidak dapat menemukan teks yg dimaksud).

[Mas Tidar]

kalau boleh tau, pada jaman itu ukuran lengan & kaki itu standart-nya berapa cm/meter ?

standart yang kita ketahui saat ini adalah 1 kaki = 30 cm (30.45 cm)
ref: http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/units/length/length.foot.en.html

Yup, ukuran dan beratnya menimbulkan keraguan bahwa itu mangkuk yg asli. Bhikkhu S. Dhammika, penulis blog ini, juga tidak menyangkal bahwa kemungkinan itu hanyalah replika:

Klaim pemerintah Afghanistan bhw itu mangkuk Sang Buddha yg diberikan kepada orang-orang di Vaishali (Vesali) jg sedang diselidiki oleh badan arkeologi India atas permintaan parlemen India:

Soal ukuran tubuh Sang Buddha memang dalam RAPB dikatakan Sang Buddha berukuran gigantic (16 atau 18 lengan), ini mungkin mengikuti tradisi yang populer dlm masyarakat Buddhis. Menurut The Dhamma Encyclopedia, tinggi badan Sang Buddha menurut teks kanon adalah 6 kaki (katanya sumbernya dr S.I,62, tetapi saya tidak dapat menemukan teks yg dimaksud).

[adi lim]

Jika tidak salah sepertinya mangkuk sang Buddha bentuk segi 4 pemberian 4 dewa catumaharajika yg terbuat dari batu hijau 

[seniya]

kalau boleh tau, pada jaman itu ukuran lengan & kaki itu standart-nya berapa cm/meter ?

standart yang kita ketahui saat ini adalah 1 kaki = 30 cm (30.45 cm)
ref: http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/units/length/length.foot.en.html

Kurang tau jg, sepertinya kurang lebih sama....

Jika tidak salah sepertinya mangkuk sang Buddha bentuk segi 4 pemberian 4 dewa catumaharajika yg terbuat dari batu hijau 

Gak pernah dengar kalo itu dari batu hijau, kalo bentuknya saya kira pasti bundar spt mangkuk biasa.....