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Sotapanna
« on: 12 November 2007, 03:53:10 PM »
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In Buddhism, a sotapanna (Pali, Sanskrit: srotapanna) (or sotapatti), a stream-enterer or stream-winner, is a partially-enlightened person, who has eradicated the first three fetters of the mind, that prevent freedom. Sotapanna literally means "one who enters (āpadyate) the stream (sota)", after a simile that compares attaining enlightenment with crossing a stream and reaching the further shore. Sotapannaship is the first of the four stages of enlightenment.

Buddha said that a stream-enterer will surely attain full enlightenment (Arahantship) within no more than seven successive rebirths, possibly in this current life. The Venerable One will thus give the gift of the realisation of the end of suffering to him/herself within seven lives and is capable of giving the great gifts to many. The stream-winner can also be sure that he or she will not be reborn in any of the unhappy rebirths (that is, as an animal, as a preta, or as a being in hell (Niraya). The stream-enterer has attained an intuitive grasp of Buddhist doctrine (Skt: samyagdṛṣṭi; Pali: sammādiṭṭhi, "right view"), has complete confidence in the Three Jewels of Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha, and follows Buddhist morality (sila). The stream-enterer is said to have "opened the eye of the Dharma" (Pāli: dhammacakkhu), which means that he has seen Dhamma and, as a result of that, can see it (his eye is open now, not closed any more).

The three specific chains or fetters (Pali: saṃyojana) of which the Sotapanna is free are:

   1. Sakkāya-diṭṭhi (Pali) - Belief in self
   2. Vicikicchā (Pali) - Skeptical doubt
   3. Sīlabbata-parāmāsa (Pali) - Attachment to rites and rituals

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The student walking in the Sotapatti path must destroy three sanyojanas (fetters):

    * The animistic superstition that inside the body there is a permanent soul or a ghost, who sees, hears, smells, tastes, etc.;
    * The superstition that without austerities and bodily mortifications heaven could not be got;
    * Doubt of a future life, or a future world and of the Karma doctrine with its corollary the law of causality.

If he succeeds in the path he enjoys the fruit of Sotapatti. He has entered the threshold of Nirvana, and no more can he again enter the samsara. He is a niyato sambodhiparayano. The gates of hell are closed for him for ever. Nirvana is assured for him either in one more birth, or three or seven. The rest of the term of life he may return to the earth, or he may be born in the devalokas and pass onwards from devaloka to devaloka until he realizes Nirvana. Countless billions of years he may enjoy the celestial pleasures of the higher heavens. A Sotapatti never violates the moral law. He is incapable of destroying life, consciously, and he is incapable of dishonest gain, and can never be adulterous, nor can he tell lies, and drink intoxicants. However, a Sotapatti has not the wisdom of a Sakadagami, not to speak of the higher estates. Thousands of laymen and women in the time of the Blessed One realized the Sotapatti state. Till the end of the Buddhasasana good people who follow the path, and made the effort to destroy the three sanyojanas can reach the Sotapatti state. But they must make the effort. Those who make the effort now are born with better upanissaya karma for the realization of Nirvana in the future births. The very effort to walk in the path by observing the five silas, and the rules of brahmachariya on the sabbath days helps to create the upanissaya karma. It is necessary when creating good karma in this life the aspirant should have an aim. He should not proceed aimlessly.

Bagaimanakah kita tahu pasti kalau kita sudah mencapai sotapanna ?
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #1 on: 12 November 2007, 03:58:41 PM »
saya sudah Sotapanna at least...I believe so...karena gk terlalu susah kalo liat reqnya...

tapi...kalo suatu saat gw gk memenuhi reqnya maka gw gk sotapanna lage... ;D
« Last Edit: 12 November 2007, 04:02:19 PM by El Sol »
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #2 on: 12 November 2007, 04:07:39 PM »
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A Sotapatti never violates the moral law. He is incapable of destroying life
menurut penuturan salah seorang muridnya, ajahn chah, seorang guru meditasi yg dianggap sudah mencapai pencerahan oleh banyak orang, suatu ketika menerima kabar dan melihat bahwa monasterynya banyak termite (rayap?).

apa yg dilakukan ajahn chah?

ternyata dia memanggil exterminator / pembasmi hama.

katanya, biar dia terima semua karmanya, yg penting latihan dan praktek muridnya tidak boleh terganggu...

 :-? :-? :-?
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* I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it
* Neo, sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path

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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #3 on: 12 November 2007, 04:14:43 PM »
Quote from: morpheus on 12 November 2007, 04:07:39 PM
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A Sotapatti never violates the moral law. He is incapable of destroying life
menurut penuturan salah seorang muridnya, ajahn chah, seorang guru meditasi yg dianggap sudah mencapai pencerahan oleh banyak orang, suatu ketika menerima kabar dan melihat bahwa monasterynya banyak termite (rayap?).

apa yg dilakukan ajahn chah?

ternyata dia memanggil exterminator / pembasmi hama.

katanya, biar dia terima semua karmanya, yg penting latihan dan praktek muridnya tidak boleh terganggu...

 :-? :-? :-?

gk percaya ah~~ pemahaman karmanya kok gitu...seharusne dah Upekkha...lagepula ajahn Chah pernah bilank ke muridnya "anggaplah nyamuk sebagai gurumu" ke muridnya yg komplain banyak nyamuk...

dan gw yakin kalo versi rayap pasti sama juga...
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #4 on: 12 November 2007, 04:16:12 PM »
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free from 1. Sakkāya-diṭṭhi (Pali) - Belief in self
ga ada kesombongan lagi. ga menganggap mahkluk lain itu lebih pintar-bodoh/kaya-miskin/jelek-indah/kotor-bersih/ternoda-suci/dlll

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free from 2. Vicikicchā (Pali) - Skeptical doubt
memiliki pandangan yg terbuka, melihat segala sesuatu apa adanya, tanpa terpengaruh oleh pengalaman sebelumnya, pendapat luar, dll...

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free from 3. Sīlabbata-parāmāsa (Pali) - Attachment to rites and rituals
tidak menggantungkan diri pada mahkluk lain untuk mengejar sesuatu...

bagi saya kira2 gitu dech tandanya...
« Last Edit: 12 November 2007, 04:22:40 PM by tesla »
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #5 on: 12 November 2007, 04:19:00 PM »
 [at] atas gw
ngawur kamu....

1. Sakkāya-diṭṭhi (Pali)
kepercayaan adanya roh yg kekal (ini berarti menolak Anatta)

2. Vicikicchā (Pali) - Skeptical doubt
keraguan...aku masih ragu ama Tipitaka seh..tapi tidak pada Buddha

3. Sīlabbata-parāmāsa (Pali)
kemelekatan pada ritual dan upacara...(sangat bukan gw)

yay gw Sotapanna~~
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #6 on: 12 November 2007, 04:21:54 PM »
^yg di quote itu hambatannya
yg komen gua tuh tanda2 kalo dah lepas
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #7 on: 12 November 2007, 04:26:42 PM »
^
yg loe gk quote itu...terlalu suci..itu arahat kayakne...

wong yg pertama ajah dah Upekkha banget...

inget loh...Sotapanna dll..itu cuma julukan...
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #8 on: 12 November 2007, 04:29:00 PM »
Quote from: El Sol on 12 November 2007, 04:14:43 PM
gk percaya ah~~
di mana murid2nya bisa belajar kalo bangunannya jadi puing2?
di mana calon2 muridnya bisa bertemu ajahn chah kalo bangunannya gak ada?
berapa (ratus?) ribu orang yg kehilangan kesempatan bertemu dengan buddha dhamma kalo tidak ada murid2 ajahn chah yg menyebarkan ajarannya ke dunia luar?

pilih belief or fact?
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* Neo, sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path

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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #9 on: 12 November 2007, 04:29:55 PM »
Quote from: El Sol on 12 November 2007, 04:26:42 PM
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yg loe gk quote itu...terlalu suci..itu arahat kayakne...

wong yg pertama ajah dah Upekkha banget...

inget loh...Sotapanna dll..itu cuma julukan...

yg pertama seingat saya itu udah mulai dikikis pada sotapana, cuman bener2 hilang pada saat mencapai arahat.
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #10 on: 12 November 2007, 04:32:14 PM »
Quote from: morpheus on 12 November 2007, 04:29:00 PM
Quote from: El Sol on 12 November 2007, 04:14:43 PM
gk percaya ah~~
di mana murid2nya bisa belajar kalo bangunannya jadi puing2?
di mana calon2 muridnya bisa bertemu ajahn chah kalo bangunannya gak ada?
berapa (ratus?) ribu orang yg kehilangan kesempatan bertemu dengan buddha dhamma kalo tidak ada murid2 ajahn chah yg menyebarkan ajarannya ke dunia luar?

pilih belief or fact?

emankne dia Boddhisatta? kasi sourcenya donk..baru gw percaya... ;D
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #11 on: 12 November 2007, 04:34:02 PM »
Quote from: tesla on 12 November 2007, 04:29:55 PM
Quote from: El Sol on 12 November 2007, 04:26:42 PM
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yg loe gk quote itu...terlalu suci..itu arahat kayakne...

wong yg pertama ajah dah Upekkha banget...

inget loh...Sotapanna dll..itu cuma julukan...

yg pertama seingat saya itu udah mulai dikikis pada sotapana, cuman bener2 hilang pada saat mencapai arahat.
dikikis....? ok deh that's explain everything...saya belum Sotapanna kalo gitu haha...karena kikisnya dikit doank... ;D :))

i'm still so proud of myself....

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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #12 on: 12 November 2007, 05:54:42 PM »
mengakui kekurangan artinya sudah setengah jalan dalam memperbaiki  _/\_
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #13 on: 12 November 2007, 06:04:27 PM »
Quote from: tesla on 12 November 2007, 05:54:42 PM
mengakui kekurangan artinya sudah setengah jalan dalam memperbaiki  _/\_
:P

gitu ajah keboong...:hammer:


hahahha.... ;D :))
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Re: Sotapanna
« Reply #14 on: 12 November 2007, 06:09:09 PM »
^ga ngerti

yg boong yg mana?
:hammer:

jadi loe dah sotapana ato arahat?
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