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Kesempatan Berbuat Baik / Petition Campaign for Buddhist Solidarity with the Monks and Nuns of Burma
« on: 29 September 2007, 02:20:13 PM »
Please read and sign the petition below and forward it to your friends and family.
It is requested that the 50th person send the petition with signatures to:
Embassy of the Union of Myanmar e-mail: thuriya [at] aol.com
Petition Campaign for Buddhist Solidarity with the Monks and Nuns of Burma
"Love and kindness must win over everything"
We, the people of the world, implore the State Peace and Development Council (SPDC, the official name of the military regime of Burma (Myanmar)) to refrain from taking any actions that:
1. Physically harm the Buddhist monks and nuns participating in the protest marches currently taking place in major cities and towns in Burma
2. Infiltrate the protesting groups by pretending to be monks and nuns (via having the head shaven and dressing in monks' robes) and then instigating violence from within through such pretension
3. Offer poisoned foods as alms (Dana)
4. Arresting and beating up people or persons who offers food and water (dana) to the monks
5. Arresting the protesting monks and treating them like criminals, such as catching the monks by lariats and ropes, tying them up with wires and strapping them onto electrical poles, slapping their cheeks, kicking them with military boots and hitting their heads with rifle butts.
We appeal to the members of the military regime to act in accordance with the sacred Buddha-Dharma, in the spirit of loving-kindness, compassion and non-violence.
We implore the military regime to accede to the wishes of the common people of Burma, to establish the conditions for the flowering of justice, democracy and liberty.
We wish to convey our admiration and support to the large number of Buddhists monks and fellow Dharma practitioners for advocating democracy and freedom in Burma, and would like to appeal to all freedom-loving people all over the world to support such non-violent movements.
We pray for the success of this peace movement and the early release of Nobel Peace Laureate Aung San Suu Kyi.
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1. Adin Eichler - San Francisco USA
2. Bhikkhu Kancano - England
3. Upaseno Bhikkhu - Indonesia
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It is requested that the 50th person send the petition with signatures to:
Embassy of the Union of Myanmar e-mail: thuriya [at] aol.com
Petition Campaign for Buddhist Solidarity with the Monks and Nuns of Burma
"Love and kindness must win over everything"
We, the people of the world, implore the State Peace and Development Council (SPDC, the official name of the military regime of Burma (Myanmar)) to refrain from taking any actions that:
1. Physically harm the Buddhist monks and nuns participating in the protest marches currently taking place in major cities and towns in Burma
2. Infiltrate the protesting groups by pretending to be monks and nuns (via having the head shaven and dressing in monks' robes) and then instigating violence from within through such pretension
3. Offer poisoned foods as alms (Dana)
4. Arresting and beating up people or persons who offers food and water (dana) to the monks
5. Arresting the protesting monks and treating them like criminals, such as catching the monks by lariats and ropes, tying them up with wires and strapping them onto electrical poles, slapping their cheeks, kicking them with military boots and hitting their heads with rifle butts.
We appeal to the members of the military regime to act in accordance with the sacred Buddha-Dharma, in the spirit of loving-kindness, compassion and non-violence.
We implore the military regime to accede to the wishes of the common people of Burma, to establish the conditions for the flowering of justice, democracy and liberty.
We wish to convey our admiration and support to the large number of Buddhists monks and fellow Dharma practitioners for advocating democracy and freedom in Burma, and would like to appeal to all freedom-loving people all over the world to support such non-violent movements.
We pray for the success of this peace movement and the early release of Nobel Peace Laureate Aung San Suu Kyi.
NAME - LOCATION
1. Adin Eichler - San Francisco USA
2. Bhikkhu Kancano - England
3. Upaseno Bhikkhu - Indonesia
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Lingkungan / FREE BURMA!
« on: 28 September 2007, 02:19:14 PM »
FREE BURMA!
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Informasi dan Pengumuman Kegiatan Buddhis / It's Not Me (for Effendy, Sefung & Dhanuttono)
« on: 28 August 2007, 08:05:32 AM »
Sory Dhanuttono, Effendy dan Sefung, tamu-0315 di pembicaraan dibawah ini bukan saya. Saya tidak bertanggung jawab atas jawaban tersebut.
Terima kasih atas perhatiannya.
Upaseno
[Yesterday at 09:43:01 PM] tamu-0315: jgn ribut... pakaian aja kok repot-repottt...
[Yesterday at 09:43:07 PM] dhanuttono: pake sok ngatur bhikkhu, seharusnya bhikkhu yg urus umat
[Yesterday at 09:43:08 PM] sefung: ingat lg d , sutra kelenyapan dharma
[Yesterday at 09:43:10 PM] Effendy: biasanya kalau di Medan, umumnya orang berbuat begitu...
[Yesterday at 09:43:15 PM] dhanuttono: wah ada Bhante nih
[Yesterday at 09:43:23 PM] dhanuttono: Namo Buddhaya Bhante.....
[Yesterday at 09:43:51 PM] tamu-0315: Namo Buddhaya
[Yesterday at 09:43:57 PM] Effendy: Namo Buddhaya Bhante....
[Yesterday at 09:44:05 PM] dhanuttono: Bhante login donk Grin
[Yesterday at 09:44:15 PM] tamu-0315: Setiap orang itu ada tugas dan kewajibannya masing-masing
[Yesterday at 09:44:15 PM] dhanuttono: trus kasih masukkan jg untuk masalah ini
[Yesterday at 09:44:19 PM] Effendy: Bro Danut, dari mana kok tahu ada Bhante???
[Yesterday at 09:44:31 PM] sefung: iya nih, binggung Grin
[Yesterday at 09:44:42 PM] dhanuttono: hehehe... dah kenal gaya bahasa nya Bhante sih gw.... Cheesy
[Yesterday at 09:44:45 PM] sefung: udah mata ke 6 kalau ses; tono
[Yesterday at 09:44:53 PM] dhanuttono: hahaha LOL
[Yesterday at 09:45:05 PM] dhanuttono: ga lah, kebetulan aja kenal gaya bahasa nya Bhante
[Yesterday at 09:45:19 PM] dhanuttono: tegas, singkat dan jelas....
[Yesterday at 09:45:25 PM] Effendy: oh..
[Yesterday at 09:45:44 PM] Effendy: kalau begitu saya juga harus meniru gaya ngomongnya Bhante...
[Yesterday at 09:46:03 PM] dhanuttono: tapi Bhante, kalo umat ngusir Bhikkhu itu sih kurang sopan Bhante
[Yesterday at 09:46:20 PM] dhanuttono: kalo Bhikkhu melakukan kesalahan, umat boleh menasehati dengan cara sopan dan baik
[Yesterday at 09:46:29 PM] sefung: BETULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[Yesterday at 09:46:35 PM] sefung: GUA DUKUNGGGGGGGGG
[Yesterday at 09:46:38 PM] dhanuttono: boleh melaporkan ke Sangha, tapi bukan dengan cara mengusir ato menghakimi sendiri
[Yesterday at 09:46:48 PM] sefung: BETULLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[Yesterday at 09:46:54 PM] dhanuttono: karena seorang bhikkhu pasti dibawah naungan Sangha
[Yesterday at 09:47:07 PM] dhanuttono: umat tentu tidak boleh melingkahi Sangha dunk
[Yesterday at 09:47:15 PM] dhanuttono: kecuali umat yg kurang ajar
[Yesterday at 09:47:15 PM] tamu-0315: tidak setiap orang itu bijaksana adanya
[Yesterday at 09:47:21 PM] sefung: kasihan juga ya, kalau diusir hanya kesalahan yg kecil dianggap besar
[Yesterday at 09:47:21 PM] dhanuttono: bagaimana menurut Bhante ?
[Yesterday at 09:47:22 PM] Effendy: nah sekarang kita kan gak mungkin melihat sedihnya bhante tersebut, yang mana kalau sudah lewat jam 12, merekanya tidak boleh
[Yesterday at 09:47:34 PM] sefung: emg ...umat itu tahu semua aturan mahayana ?
[Yesterday at 09:47:59 PM] sefung: tamu = Bhante yah
[Yesterday at 09:48:00 PM] dhanuttono: kita minta pendapat Bhante dulu nih, mengenai sikap umat yg kurang ajar tersebut
[Yesterday at 09:48:06 PM] dhanuttono: betul... fung...
[Yesterday at 09:48:14 PM] Effendy: Bhante ada ide??? >>>> atau ini mungkin karma yang harus dijalani.??
[Yesterday at 09:48:18 PM] sefung: namo Buddhya Bhante
[Yesterday at 09:48:22 PM] tamu-0315: Seorang Banthe harus sabar, untuk memberi contoh yang baik.
[Yesterday at 09:48:53 PM] Effendy: Nah kondisinyakan sangat memprihatinkan....
[Yesterday at 09:48:59 PM] dhanuttono: betul jg sih, jd sih salah jg kalo Bhikkhu buddhayana itu langsung marah dan naik pitam
[Yesterday at 09:49:26 PM] dhanuttono: seharusnya lebih mengendalikan emosi dan sabar, kan beliau Bhikkhu yg sedang mengendalikan diri melalui latihan
[Yesterday at 09:49:34 PM] Effendy: Menurut Bhante, saya sebagai umat yang masih bau kencur ini harus bagaimana??? >>> mohon pencerahannya please...
[Yesterday at 09:49:39 PM] sefung: tapi masa sih naik pitam lsg diusir ?
[Yesterday at 09:49:42 PM] dhanuttono: tapi pas kena masalah seperti itu ia tidak sadar lepas dari kontrol dan langsung marah
[Yesterday at 09:49:59 PM] tamu-0315: Jika seorang Bhante ikut arus duniawi maka tidak ada bedanya dengan umat biasa. Jgn gunakan emosi dalam menyikapi sesuatu
[Yesterday at 09:50:18 PM] dhanuttono: betul...
[Yesterday at 09:50:51 PM] dhanuttono: disisi itu Bhikkhu jg lepas kontrol, tapi bagaimana dengan sikap umat yg memiliki jabatan kepala yayasan itu
[Yesterday at 09:51:03 PM] dhanuttono: apakah pantas/boleh ia mengusir seorang Bhikkhu ?
[Yesterday at 09:51:10 PM] dhanuttono: karena suatu kesalahan ?
[Yesterday at 09:51:11 PM] tamu-0315: Ingat Hukum Sebab Akibat....pasti akan mendapatkan penjelasannya
[Yesterday at 09:51:13 PM] sefung: nah itu pertanyaannya Grin
[Yesterday at 09:51:56 PM] Effendy: kalau menurut Bhante, apa yang harus kita lakukan???
[Yesterday at 09:52:06 PM] sefung: bhante yg dapat akibatnya siapa, umat yg ngusir kah atau bhikku yg marah ?
[Yesterday at 09:52:14 PM] dhanuttono: betul sih, mereka yg melakukan perbuatan itu (red: mengusir Bhikkhu) akan memetik buah perbuatan buruk mereka yg besar
[Yesterday at 09:52:26 PM] dhanuttono: solusinya menurut Bhante untuk umat model gtu gimana Bhante ?
[Yesterday at 09:52:31 PM] tamu-0315: Hidup adalah belajar. Belajarlah dari kehidupan.
[Yesterday at 09:53:20 PM] dhanuttono: yg bisa saya petik, semoga saja saya dan seluruh umat beserta pengurus Vihara tidak melakukan kesalahan demikian
[Yesterday at 09:53:54 PM] dhanuttono: bro ependi, mungkin jg bisa menyampaikan berita ini ke sangha buddhayana
[Yesterday at 09:54:05 PM] tamu-0315: Tak ada yang benar dan tak ada yang salah. Dua-duanya masih memiliki ego yang tinggi. Sabar, rendah hati, intropeksi
[Yesterday at 09:54:08 PM] Effendy: Bagaimana caranya?Huh?
[Yesterday at 09:54:09 PM] dhanuttono: untuk membantu menyelesaikan polemik antara bhikkhu dan umat buddhayana
[Yesterday at 09:54:11 PM] tamu-0315: perenungan. itu kuncinya
[Yesterday at 09:54:27 PM] Effendy: kalau boleh, saya sih berpikiran begini....
[Yesterday at 09:54:36 PM] dhanuttono: ehm... sangha buddhayana ada toh
[Yesterday at 09:55:00 PM] tamu-0315: Vihara adalah wadah. Jangan terikat oleh status atau keakuan.
[Yesterday at 09:55:03 PM] Effendy: Untuk apa kita laporkan ke Sangha, kalau bisa kita diemi saja, nanti cepat lambat si pembuat pasti akan mengerti...
[Yesterday at 09:55:12 PM] dhanuttono: Bhante, tapi kan tidak setiap orang dapat berpikir demikian, sungguh banyak orang yg dimata mereka tertutup debu tebal dimata
[Yesterday at 09:55:33 PM] tamu-0315: Saling melapor dan mengadu bukan solusi.
[Yesterday at 09:55:39 PM] Effendy: Nah maksud saya, kalau bisa kita bantu, ya kita bantu...
[Yesterday at 09:56:00 PM] dhanuttono: betul jg sih.... jd gimana solusinya Bhante ?
[Yesterday at 09:56:08 PM] Effendy: Karena untuk melaporkan hal ini ke Sangha, urusannya pasti ada pihak yang akan disakiti lagi...
[Yesterday at 09:56:13 PM] sefung: kalau direung bhikku, minta makanan di luar kan kasihan juga
[Yesterday at 09:56:25 PM] Effendy: Alangkah enaknya, kalau kita bisa berkorban sedikit untuk orang lain...
[Yesterday at 09:56:26 PM] tamu-0315: Berpikirlah dengan pikiran, bertindaklah dengan hati nurani.
[Yesterday at 09:56:27 PM] sefung: agama Buddha kan sini minoritas
[Yesterday at 09:57:06 PM] sefung: blm diejek, klau pindapta jaman skg apalagi diluar
[Yesterday at 09:58:03 PM] Effendy: jadi tidak ada yang dijadikan tumbal atau black sheep...
[Yesterday at 09:58:28 PM] tamu-0315: Pernahkah alami bahwa seseorg telah berbuat baik terhdp seseorg tetapi org itu tdk mengatakan baik?
[Yesterday at 09:58:45 PM] dhanuttono: pernah
[Yesterday at 09:58:51 PM] Effendy: itu pernah Bhante...
[Yesterday at 09:59:02 PM] tamu-0315: Baik menurut kalian belum tentu baik menurut oihak yang lain
[Yesterday at 09:59:22 PM] sefung: betul sekali bhante
[Yesterday at 09:59:33 PM] Effendy: umumnya, begitu dia menyadari... umumnya pasti sudah terlambat... dan umumnya dia akan sedih sekali...
[Yesterday at 09:59:34 PM] dhanuttono: betul...
[Yesterday at 09:59:38 PM] tamu-0315: Setiap org ada pemikirannya masing-masing
[Yesterday at 10:00:17 PM] tamu-0315: Kunci utama dalam hal ini adalah SABAR
[Yesterday at 10:00:42 PM] Effendy: Kapan kita dikatakan sabar???
[Yesterday at 10:00:56 PM] sefung: tergantung pikiran kita Grin
[Yesterday at 10:01:18 PM] Effendy: apa bila tidak ada keinginan, niat, dan sesuatu yang dikejar...
[Yesterday at 10:01:42 PM] tamu-0315: Tak ada yang sempurna didunia ini. Kita semuanya masih belajar darikehidupan ini.
[Yesterday at 10:01:52 PM] sefung: ses.effendy, skg bhante itu tgl di rumah umat ?
[Yesterday at 10:02:33 PM] Effendy: iya sih, kalau yang di Jalan Multatuli itu, di lantai dasarnya mereka jualan makanan...
[Yesterday at 10:02:48 PM] tamu-0315: Sabbe Satta Bhanvantu Sukkhittata
[Yesterday at 10:02:50 PM] Effendy: Tetapi kalau yang di Jl, Brid Jend katamso belum tahu...
[Yesterday at 10:03:36 PM] Effendy: Artinya Bhante???
[Yesterday at 10:03:49 PM] dhanuttono: ehm... tingkah laku umat demikian perlu diapakan yah ? tapi dilain sisi bagi mereka (umat) bhikkhu itu melakukan pelangaran
[Yesterday at 10:03:59 PM] dhanuttono: ya semoga semua mahluk berbahagia tuh ependi
[Yesterday at 10:04:09 PM] Effendy: oh/.....
[Yesterday at 10:04:21 PM] sefung: bukan berati bhikkhu tersebut melakukan kesalahan harus dgn usir kan ?
[Yesterday at 10:04:29 PM] sefung: bhuikku kan bukan org suci
[Yesterday at 10:04:33 PM] sefung: masih belajar jg
[Yesterday at 10:04:36 PM] dhanuttono: nah itu dia kesalahan umat
[Yesterday at 10:04:52 PM] dhanuttono: ya seperti kata Bhante, intinya sama" sabar
[Yesterday at 10:05:03 PM] sefung: kalau cuma terima makanan dari umat lain non vege diusir
[Yesterday at 10:05:10 PM] sefung: gua sih tentang habis
[Yesterday at 10:05:15 PM] dhanuttono: jika umatnya juga tidak marah/kuciwa duluan tentu dia tidak mengusir Bhikkhu itu
[Yesterday at 10:05:28 PM] dhanuttono: bhikkhu itu jg emosi dan marah ketika digituin umat.....
[Yesterday at 10:05:33 PM] sefung: lama kelaman tar ini jd kultur vihara
[Yesterday at 10:05:40 PM] Effendy: katanya sih, si pengurus itu sudah tegur Bahnte...
[Yesterday at 10:05:46 PM] dhanuttono: sama" ga bisa mengendalikan keegoisan, gagal dalam usaha pengendalian diri
[Yesterday at 10:05:58 PM] sefung: kesalahan sedikit , usir
[Yesterday at 10:06:21 PM] sefung: iya gw ngerti dah ditegur...
[Yesterday at 10:06:33 PM] dhanuttono: ga lah, kalo dr aliran yg memiliki sangha yg kuat, ga mungkin ada umat yg kurang ajar gtu, kaya Maha dan Thera
[Yesterday at 10:06:34 PM] sefung: tapi inikan bukan solusinya
[Yesterday at 10:06:43 PM] Effendy: Yang saya sayangkan itu adalah Umatnya..
[Yesterday at 10:06:43 PM] dhanuttono: dan mudahan emang ga pernah terjadi lagi.......
[Yesterday at 10:06:57 PM] dhanuttono: ehm... gimana ya, susah jg nemukan solusinya......
[Yesterday at 10:07:05 PM] Effendy: terus si pengurus.... akhirnya si bhante,,,,
[Yesterday at 10:07:16 PM] Effendy: Karena hal ini terjadi dari si Umat....
[Yesterday at 10:07:24 PM] sefung: yg bunuh org aja bisa dapat pengacra dan perlindungan HAM
[Yesterday at 10:07:29 PM] Effendy: Terus handlingnya adalah si Pengurus...
[Yesterday at 10:07:35 PM] sefung: pada hal dia bunuh org ga mikir ham
[Yesterday at 10:07:37 PM] Effendy: nd Victimnya si Bhante....
[Yesterday at 10:07:52 PM] Effendy: ungguh merupakan penderitaan...
[Yesterday at 10:08:47 PM] sefung: jd menurut kalian ?
[Yesterday at 10:09:18 PM] sefung: gelap juga lama2 Grin
[Yesterday at 10:09:18 PM] Effendy: aku sih no any idea???
[Yesterday at 10:10:27 PM] Effendy: paling-paling apa yang bisa saya perbuat, maka saya akan berbuat yang terbaik,,, anggap saja, hari ini adala h hari terakhir
[Yesterday at 10:11:11 PM] Effendy: Menurut Bhante bagaimana ya???
[Yesterday at 10:15:02 PM] tamu-0315: Untuk tahu solusinya harus lihat secara keseluruhan. Jgn lihat akhirnya. Lihat juga penyebabnya kenapa hal ini bisa terjadi.
[Yesterday at 10:18:13 PM] Effendy: Menurut Bhante, Lebih baik kita memulai dari mana??
[Yesterday at 10:22:59 PM] tamu-0315: 1.Cari tahu persoalan yang sebenarnya 2.cari tahu apa alasan kepala yayasan marah 3. cari tahu kenapa bhante melakukan____
[Yesterday at 10:23:30 PM] tamu-0315: ___hal itu. Apa yang mendasari semua hal ini. Maka baru bisa membuat penilaian yang benar.
Terima kasih atas perhatiannya.
Upaseno
[Yesterday at 09:43:01 PM] tamu-0315: jgn ribut... pakaian aja kok repot-repottt...
[Yesterday at 09:43:07 PM] dhanuttono: pake sok ngatur bhikkhu, seharusnya bhikkhu yg urus umat
[Yesterday at 09:43:08 PM] sefung: ingat lg d , sutra kelenyapan dharma
[Yesterday at 09:43:10 PM] Effendy: biasanya kalau di Medan, umumnya orang berbuat begitu...
[Yesterday at 09:43:15 PM] dhanuttono: wah ada Bhante nih
[Yesterday at 09:43:23 PM] dhanuttono: Namo Buddhaya Bhante.....
[Yesterday at 09:43:51 PM] tamu-0315: Namo Buddhaya
[Yesterday at 09:43:57 PM] Effendy: Namo Buddhaya Bhante....
[Yesterday at 09:44:05 PM] dhanuttono: Bhante login donk Grin
[Yesterday at 09:44:15 PM] tamu-0315: Setiap orang itu ada tugas dan kewajibannya masing-masing
[Yesterday at 09:44:15 PM] dhanuttono: trus kasih masukkan jg untuk masalah ini
[Yesterday at 09:44:19 PM] Effendy: Bro Danut, dari mana kok tahu ada Bhante???
[Yesterday at 09:44:31 PM] sefung: iya nih, binggung Grin
[Yesterday at 09:44:42 PM] dhanuttono: hehehe... dah kenal gaya bahasa nya Bhante sih gw.... Cheesy
[Yesterday at 09:44:45 PM] sefung: udah mata ke 6 kalau ses; tono
[Yesterday at 09:44:53 PM] dhanuttono: hahaha LOL
[Yesterday at 09:45:05 PM] dhanuttono: ga lah, kebetulan aja kenal gaya bahasa nya Bhante
[Yesterday at 09:45:19 PM] dhanuttono: tegas, singkat dan jelas....
[Yesterday at 09:45:25 PM] Effendy: oh..
[Yesterday at 09:45:44 PM] Effendy: kalau begitu saya juga harus meniru gaya ngomongnya Bhante...
[Yesterday at 09:46:03 PM] dhanuttono: tapi Bhante, kalo umat ngusir Bhikkhu itu sih kurang sopan Bhante
[Yesterday at 09:46:20 PM] dhanuttono: kalo Bhikkhu melakukan kesalahan, umat boleh menasehati dengan cara sopan dan baik
[Yesterday at 09:46:29 PM] sefung: BETULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[Yesterday at 09:46:35 PM] sefung: GUA DUKUNGGGGGGGGG
[Yesterday at 09:46:38 PM] dhanuttono: boleh melaporkan ke Sangha, tapi bukan dengan cara mengusir ato menghakimi sendiri
[Yesterday at 09:46:48 PM] sefung: BETULLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[Yesterday at 09:46:54 PM] dhanuttono: karena seorang bhikkhu pasti dibawah naungan Sangha
[Yesterday at 09:47:07 PM] dhanuttono: umat tentu tidak boleh melingkahi Sangha dunk
[Yesterday at 09:47:15 PM] dhanuttono: kecuali umat yg kurang ajar
[Yesterday at 09:47:15 PM] tamu-0315: tidak setiap orang itu bijaksana adanya
[Yesterday at 09:47:21 PM] sefung: kasihan juga ya, kalau diusir hanya kesalahan yg kecil dianggap besar
[Yesterday at 09:47:21 PM] dhanuttono: bagaimana menurut Bhante ?
[Yesterday at 09:47:22 PM] Effendy: nah sekarang kita kan gak mungkin melihat sedihnya bhante tersebut, yang mana kalau sudah lewat jam 12, merekanya tidak boleh
[Yesterday at 09:47:34 PM] sefung: emg ...umat itu tahu semua aturan mahayana ?
[Yesterday at 09:47:59 PM] sefung: tamu = Bhante yah
[Yesterday at 09:48:00 PM] dhanuttono: kita minta pendapat Bhante dulu nih, mengenai sikap umat yg kurang ajar tersebut
[Yesterday at 09:48:06 PM] dhanuttono: betul... fung...
[Yesterday at 09:48:14 PM] Effendy: Bhante ada ide??? >>>> atau ini mungkin karma yang harus dijalani.??
[Yesterday at 09:48:18 PM] sefung: namo Buddhya Bhante
[Yesterday at 09:48:22 PM] tamu-0315: Seorang Banthe harus sabar, untuk memberi contoh yang baik.
[Yesterday at 09:48:53 PM] Effendy: Nah kondisinyakan sangat memprihatinkan....
[Yesterday at 09:48:59 PM] dhanuttono: betul jg sih, jd sih salah jg kalo Bhikkhu buddhayana itu langsung marah dan naik pitam
[Yesterday at 09:49:26 PM] dhanuttono: seharusnya lebih mengendalikan emosi dan sabar, kan beliau Bhikkhu yg sedang mengendalikan diri melalui latihan
[Yesterday at 09:49:34 PM] Effendy: Menurut Bhante, saya sebagai umat yang masih bau kencur ini harus bagaimana??? >>> mohon pencerahannya please...
[Yesterday at 09:49:39 PM] sefung: tapi masa sih naik pitam lsg diusir ?
[Yesterday at 09:49:42 PM] dhanuttono: tapi pas kena masalah seperti itu ia tidak sadar lepas dari kontrol dan langsung marah
[Yesterday at 09:49:59 PM] tamu-0315: Jika seorang Bhante ikut arus duniawi maka tidak ada bedanya dengan umat biasa. Jgn gunakan emosi dalam menyikapi sesuatu
[Yesterday at 09:50:18 PM] dhanuttono: betul...
[Yesterday at 09:50:51 PM] dhanuttono: disisi itu Bhikkhu jg lepas kontrol, tapi bagaimana dengan sikap umat yg memiliki jabatan kepala yayasan itu
[Yesterday at 09:51:03 PM] dhanuttono: apakah pantas/boleh ia mengusir seorang Bhikkhu ?
[Yesterday at 09:51:10 PM] dhanuttono: karena suatu kesalahan ?
[Yesterday at 09:51:11 PM] tamu-0315: Ingat Hukum Sebab Akibat....pasti akan mendapatkan penjelasannya
[Yesterday at 09:51:13 PM] sefung: nah itu pertanyaannya Grin
[Yesterday at 09:51:56 PM] Effendy: kalau menurut Bhante, apa yang harus kita lakukan???
[Yesterday at 09:52:06 PM] sefung: bhante yg dapat akibatnya siapa, umat yg ngusir kah atau bhikku yg marah ?
[Yesterday at 09:52:14 PM] dhanuttono: betul sih, mereka yg melakukan perbuatan itu (red: mengusir Bhikkhu) akan memetik buah perbuatan buruk mereka yg besar
[Yesterday at 09:52:26 PM] dhanuttono: solusinya menurut Bhante untuk umat model gtu gimana Bhante ?
[Yesterday at 09:52:31 PM] tamu-0315: Hidup adalah belajar. Belajarlah dari kehidupan.
[Yesterday at 09:53:20 PM] dhanuttono: yg bisa saya petik, semoga saja saya dan seluruh umat beserta pengurus Vihara tidak melakukan kesalahan demikian
[Yesterday at 09:53:54 PM] dhanuttono: bro ependi, mungkin jg bisa menyampaikan berita ini ke sangha buddhayana
[Yesterday at 09:54:05 PM] tamu-0315: Tak ada yang benar dan tak ada yang salah. Dua-duanya masih memiliki ego yang tinggi. Sabar, rendah hati, intropeksi
[Yesterday at 09:54:08 PM] Effendy: Bagaimana caranya?Huh?
[Yesterday at 09:54:09 PM] dhanuttono: untuk membantu menyelesaikan polemik antara bhikkhu dan umat buddhayana
[Yesterday at 09:54:11 PM] tamu-0315: perenungan. itu kuncinya
[Yesterday at 09:54:27 PM] Effendy: kalau boleh, saya sih berpikiran begini....
[Yesterday at 09:54:36 PM] dhanuttono: ehm... sangha buddhayana ada toh
[Yesterday at 09:55:00 PM] tamu-0315: Vihara adalah wadah. Jangan terikat oleh status atau keakuan.
[Yesterday at 09:55:03 PM] Effendy: Untuk apa kita laporkan ke Sangha, kalau bisa kita diemi saja, nanti cepat lambat si pembuat pasti akan mengerti...
[Yesterday at 09:55:12 PM] dhanuttono: Bhante, tapi kan tidak setiap orang dapat berpikir demikian, sungguh banyak orang yg dimata mereka tertutup debu tebal dimata
[Yesterday at 09:55:33 PM] tamu-0315: Saling melapor dan mengadu bukan solusi.
[Yesterday at 09:55:39 PM] Effendy: Nah maksud saya, kalau bisa kita bantu, ya kita bantu...
[Yesterday at 09:56:00 PM] dhanuttono: betul jg sih.... jd gimana solusinya Bhante ?
[Yesterday at 09:56:08 PM] Effendy: Karena untuk melaporkan hal ini ke Sangha, urusannya pasti ada pihak yang akan disakiti lagi...
[Yesterday at 09:56:13 PM] sefung: kalau direung bhikku, minta makanan di luar kan kasihan juga
[Yesterday at 09:56:25 PM] Effendy: Alangkah enaknya, kalau kita bisa berkorban sedikit untuk orang lain...
[Yesterday at 09:56:26 PM] tamu-0315: Berpikirlah dengan pikiran, bertindaklah dengan hati nurani.
[Yesterday at 09:56:27 PM] sefung: agama Buddha kan sini minoritas
[Yesterday at 09:57:06 PM] sefung: blm diejek, klau pindapta jaman skg apalagi diluar
[Yesterday at 09:58:03 PM] Effendy: jadi tidak ada yang dijadikan tumbal atau black sheep...
[Yesterday at 09:58:28 PM] tamu-0315: Pernahkah alami bahwa seseorg telah berbuat baik terhdp seseorg tetapi org itu tdk mengatakan baik?
[Yesterday at 09:58:45 PM] dhanuttono: pernah
[Yesterday at 09:58:51 PM] Effendy: itu pernah Bhante...
[Yesterday at 09:59:02 PM] tamu-0315: Baik menurut kalian belum tentu baik menurut oihak yang lain
[Yesterday at 09:59:22 PM] sefung: betul sekali bhante
[Yesterday at 09:59:33 PM] Effendy: umumnya, begitu dia menyadari... umumnya pasti sudah terlambat... dan umumnya dia akan sedih sekali...
[Yesterday at 09:59:34 PM] dhanuttono: betul...
[Yesterday at 09:59:38 PM] tamu-0315: Setiap org ada pemikirannya masing-masing
[Yesterday at 10:00:17 PM] tamu-0315: Kunci utama dalam hal ini adalah SABAR
[Yesterday at 10:00:42 PM] Effendy: Kapan kita dikatakan sabar???
[Yesterday at 10:00:56 PM] sefung: tergantung pikiran kita Grin
[Yesterday at 10:01:18 PM] Effendy: apa bila tidak ada keinginan, niat, dan sesuatu yang dikejar...
[Yesterday at 10:01:42 PM] tamu-0315: Tak ada yang sempurna didunia ini. Kita semuanya masih belajar darikehidupan ini.
[Yesterday at 10:01:52 PM] sefung: ses.effendy, skg bhante itu tgl di rumah umat ?
[Yesterday at 10:02:33 PM] Effendy: iya sih, kalau yang di Jalan Multatuli itu, di lantai dasarnya mereka jualan makanan...
[Yesterday at 10:02:48 PM] tamu-0315: Sabbe Satta Bhanvantu Sukkhittata
[Yesterday at 10:02:50 PM] Effendy: Tetapi kalau yang di Jl, Brid Jend katamso belum tahu...
[Yesterday at 10:03:36 PM] Effendy: Artinya Bhante???
[Yesterday at 10:03:49 PM] dhanuttono: ehm... tingkah laku umat demikian perlu diapakan yah ? tapi dilain sisi bagi mereka (umat) bhikkhu itu melakukan pelangaran
[Yesterday at 10:03:59 PM] dhanuttono: ya semoga semua mahluk berbahagia tuh ependi
[Yesterday at 10:04:09 PM] Effendy: oh/.....
[Yesterday at 10:04:21 PM] sefung: bukan berati bhikkhu tersebut melakukan kesalahan harus dgn usir kan ?
[Yesterday at 10:04:29 PM] sefung: bhuikku kan bukan org suci
[Yesterday at 10:04:33 PM] sefung: masih belajar jg
[Yesterday at 10:04:36 PM] dhanuttono: nah itu dia kesalahan umat
[Yesterday at 10:04:52 PM] dhanuttono: ya seperti kata Bhante, intinya sama" sabar
[Yesterday at 10:05:03 PM] sefung: kalau cuma terima makanan dari umat lain non vege diusir
[Yesterday at 10:05:10 PM] sefung: gua sih tentang habis
[Yesterday at 10:05:15 PM] dhanuttono: jika umatnya juga tidak marah/kuciwa duluan tentu dia tidak mengusir Bhikkhu itu
[Yesterday at 10:05:28 PM] dhanuttono: bhikkhu itu jg emosi dan marah ketika digituin umat.....
[Yesterday at 10:05:33 PM] sefung: lama kelaman tar ini jd kultur vihara
[Yesterday at 10:05:40 PM] Effendy: katanya sih, si pengurus itu sudah tegur Bahnte...
[Yesterday at 10:05:46 PM] dhanuttono: sama" ga bisa mengendalikan keegoisan, gagal dalam usaha pengendalian diri
[Yesterday at 10:05:58 PM] sefung: kesalahan sedikit , usir
[Yesterday at 10:06:21 PM] sefung: iya gw ngerti dah ditegur...
[Yesterday at 10:06:33 PM] dhanuttono: ga lah, kalo dr aliran yg memiliki sangha yg kuat, ga mungkin ada umat yg kurang ajar gtu, kaya Maha dan Thera
[Yesterday at 10:06:34 PM] sefung: tapi inikan bukan solusinya
[Yesterday at 10:06:43 PM] Effendy: Yang saya sayangkan itu adalah Umatnya..
[Yesterday at 10:06:43 PM] dhanuttono: dan mudahan emang ga pernah terjadi lagi.......
[Yesterday at 10:06:57 PM] dhanuttono: ehm... gimana ya, susah jg nemukan solusinya......
[Yesterday at 10:07:05 PM] Effendy: terus si pengurus.... akhirnya si bhante,,,,
[Yesterday at 10:07:16 PM] Effendy: Karena hal ini terjadi dari si Umat....
[Yesterday at 10:07:24 PM] sefung: yg bunuh org aja bisa dapat pengacra dan perlindungan HAM
[Yesterday at 10:07:29 PM] Effendy: Terus handlingnya adalah si Pengurus...
[Yesterday at 10:07:35 PM] sefung: pada hal dia bunuh org ga mikir ham
[Yesterday at 10:07:37 PM] Effendy: nd Victimnya si Bhante....
[Yesterday at 10:07:52 PM] Effendy: ungguh merupakan penderitaan...
[Yesterday at 10:08:47 PM] sefung: jd menurut kalian ?
[Yesterday at 10:09:18 PM] sefung: gelap juga lama2 Grin
[Yesterday at 10:09:18 PM] Effendy: aku sih no any idea???
[Yesterday at 10:10:27 PM] Effendy: paling-paling apa yang bisa saya perbuat, maka saya akan berbuat yang terbaik,,, anggap saja, hari ini adala h hari terakhir
[Yesterday at 10:11:11 PM] Effendy: Menurut Bhante bagaimana ya???
[Yesterday at 10:15:02 PM] tamu-0315: Untuk tahu solusinya harus lihat secara keseluruhan. Jgn lihat akhirnya. Lihat juga penyebabnya kenapa hal ini bisa terjadi.
[Yesterday at 10:18:13 PM] Effendy: Menurut Bhante, Lebih baik kita memulai dari mana??
[Yesterday at 10:22:59 PM] tamu-0315: 1.Cari tahu persoalan yang sebenarnya 2.cari tahu apa alasan kepala yayasan marah 3. cari tahu kenapa bhante melakukan____
[Yesterday at 10:23:30 PM] tamu-0315: ___hal itu. Apa yang mendasari semua hal ini. Maka baru bisa membuat penilaian yang benar.
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Diskusi Umum / The International Bill of Human Rights
« on: 19 August 2007, 09:33:04 PM »
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Adopted and proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 217 A (III) of 10 December 1948
Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this
right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or
in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief
in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Source: http://www.ohchr.org/english/
Adopted and proclaimed by General Assembly resolution 217 A (III) of 10 December 1948
Article 18
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this
right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or
in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief
in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
Source: http://www.ohchr.org/english/
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Diskusi Umum / Hubungan Online dengan Merealisasi Dhamma
« on: 20 July 2007, 09:52:54 PM »
OK...kita mulai aja...
Emang ada koneksinya antara seseorang online dan merealisasi Dhamma?
Emang ada koneksinya antara seseorang online dan merealisasi Dhamma?
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Meditasi / Meditation Won't Boost Health: Study
« on: 14 July 2007, 08:52:35 AM »
Thu Jul 12, 7:01 PM ET
THURSDAY, July 12 (HealthDay News) -- There's no evidence that meditation eases health problems, according to an exhaustive review of the accumulated data by Canadian researchers.
"There is an enormous amount of interest in using meditation as a form of therapy to cope with a variety of modern-day health problems, especially hypertension, stress and chronic pain, but the majority of evidence that seems to support this notion is anecdotal, or it comes from poor quality studies," concluded researchers Maria Ospina and Kenneth Bond of the University of Alberta/Capital Health Evidence-based Practice Centre, in Edmonton.
They analyzed 813 studies focused on the impact of meditation on various conditions, including high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease and substance abuse.
Released Monday, the report looked at studies on five types of meditation practices: mantra meditation; mindfulness meditation; yoga, Tai Chi and Qi Gong.
Some of the studies suggested that certain types of meditation could help reduce blood pressure and stress and that yoga and other practices increased verbal creativity and reduced heart rate, blood pressure and cholesterol in healthy people.
However, the report authors said it isn't possible to draw any firm conclusions about the effects of meditation on health, because the existing studies are characterized by poor methodologies and other problems.
"Future research on meditation practices must be more rigorous in the design and execution of studies and in the analysis and reporting of results," Ospina said in a prepared statement.
Bond added that the new report doesn't prove that meditation has no therapeutic value, but it can inform medical practitioners that the "evidence is inconclusive regarding its effectiveness."
For the general public, the report "highlights that choosing to practice a particular meditation technique continues to rely solely on individual experiences and personal preferences, until more conclusive scientific evidence is produced," Ospina said.
The study was funded by the U.S. National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine in Bethesda, Md., part of the National Institutes of Health.
More information
The U.S. National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine has more about meditation for health purposes.
from: http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20070712/hl_hsn/meditationwontboosthealthstudy
THURSDAY, July 12 (HealthDay News) -- There's no evidence that meditation eases health problems, according to an exhaustive review of the accumulated data by Canadian researchers.
"There is an enormous amount of interest in using meditation as a form of therapy to cope with a variety of modern-day health problems, especially hypertension, stress and chronic pain, but the majority of evidence that seems to support this notion is anecdotal, or it comes from poor quality studies," concluded researchers Maria Ospina and Kenneth Bond of the University of Alberta/Capital Health Evidence-based Practice Centre, in Edmonton.
They analyzed 813 studies focused on the impact of meditation on various conditions, including high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease and substance abuse.
Released Monday, the report looked at studies on five types of meditation practices: mantra meditation; mindfulness meditation; yoga, Tai Chi and Qi Gong.
Some of the studies suggested that certain types of meditation could help reduce blood pressure and stress and that yoga and other practices increased verbal creativity and reduced heart rate, blood pressure and cholesterol in healthy people.
However, the report authors said it isn't possible to draw any firm conclusions about the effects of meditation on health, because the existing studies are characterized by poor methodologies and other problems.
"Future research on meditation practices must be more rigorous in the design and execution of studies and in the analysis and reporting of results," Ospina said in a prepared statement.
Bond added that the new report doesn't prove that meditation has no therapeutic value, but it can inform medical practitioners that the "evidence is inconclusive regarding its effectiveness."
For the general public, the report "highlights that choosing to practice a particular meditation technique continues to rely solely on individual experiences and personal preferences, until more conclusive scientific evidence is produced," Ospina said.
The study was funded by the U.S. National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine in Bethesda, Md., part of the National Institutes of Health.
More information
The U.S. National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine has more about meditation for health purposes.
from: http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20070712/hl_hsn/meditationwontboosthealthstudy
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