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Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« on: 06 April 2011, 01:05:50 PM »
Banyak cerita-cerita Dhamma yang dituturkan sanggup menginspirasi yang mendengarkan/membacanya.
Seperti cerita Ajahn Brahm tentang seorang  yang akan meninggal dengan 4 istri(tentang kamma).
Tetapi kadang cerita bisa digantikan dengan merubah kata 'kamma' dengan kata 'Yes*s' oleh umat kanesten.
seperti di fb berikut
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150209550341804
Ada seorg pria mempunyai 4org istri.
Istri yg per1 : tdk diperdulikannya.
Istri yg ke2 : papun dipenuhi keingnnanya.
Istri yg ke3 : dia rawat dgn pnuh ks sayang.
Istri yg ke4 : pling istimewa,biar janji dgn istri mnpun dbatalkn dm dia.

Suatu hr,pria ini akn mati lalu bertanya pd istri2nya,dipangglnya istri ke2dl krn istri per1gk pentng bgnya,bertanyalah dia pd istri ke2nya,maukah kau mati bersmku?jwb istri ke2nya"enak sj,mati sj sendr"lalu pergi meningglkannya,kmudian dipangglny istri ke3ny n ditanya pertanyaan yg sm,jwb istri ke3nya"km gila?pling aq hanya bs mengantarmu,sakit hati pria ini,lalu dipangglny istri ke4 n yakin pasti mo mati bersmny,tp jwb istri ke4nya"kl km mati,aq kawin lg"hancur hati pria ini,disaat dia skarat ada tangn lembut yg merawatnya,dilhtny ternyt it istri per1ny n dia pun bertanya apakah km mau mati bersmku?jwb istri per1nya"aq tdk akn pernh meninggalknmu,pria itpun menangis n menyesal knapa tdk dr dl lbh perduli pdnya.

Arti dr prumpamaan ini adlah:
istri yg ke2 adlah
tubuh kt,saat kt mati tubuh kt akn meningglkn kt kembl menjd tanah.
Istri ke3 adlah
keluarga,saudara,kerabat,dan teman2kita,saat kt mati,mreka hanya bs mengantar kt sj.
Istri ke4 adlah
uang,papun kt lakukn dm mendptkn uang,tp saat kt mati uang it akn dinikmati org lain.
Istri per1 adlah
Tuhan Yes*s,saat kt sendr hancur n tdk ada yg perduli lg,hanya Dialah yg ms ada disisi kt sampai slamanya.
Yg manakah pilihan kt?pkrkanlah..Tuhan Yes*s memberkati.


bisa juga cerita tentang keledai  terus dihubungkan dengan tuhan
http://www.facebook.com/notes/bunda-maria-santa-perawan-suci/kisah-si-keledai/10150149925382362

Bagi yang pernah membaca dan mendengarkan ceramah Ajahn Brahm tentu pernah melihat cerita yang hampir sama.
Ini bisa membikin bingung sebenarnya cerita Ajahn Brahm itu dicontek apa AB yang menyontek..
Sebenarnya gak masalah kalau menurut saya cerita itu disebarkan asal bermanfaat bagi yang mendengarkan..
Bagaimana menurut saudara-saudara ? (suara Bhante Uttamo = mode on) :D
« Last Edit: 06 April 2011, 01:09:20 PM by KeithV »

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Re: Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« Reply #1 on: 06 April 2011, 01:09:07 PM »
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Re: Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« Reply #2 on: 06 April 2011, 01:11:38 PM »
buat penyelidikan pustaka, mana catatan yang pertama tentang cerita seperti ini... akan ketahuan siapa contek siapa...
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Re: Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« Reply #3 on: 06 April 2011, 01:14:49 PM »
memang ada banyak kisah yg sudah beredar di masyarakat jauh sebelum buku itu terbit, tidak ada masalah selama kisah tsb tidak copyrighted

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Re: Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« Reply #4 on: 06 April 2011, 01:15:15 PM »
tergantung niatnya
wah suhu-suhu disini balasnya begitu cepat heheh...

pengalaman pribadi , saya pernah mempost di Facebook acara ceramah AB di Indonesia malah dibilang AB bukan tuhan,jangan menyembah berhala,
(apa hubungannya mempost ceramah Buddhis dengan menyembah berhala hehe).
Tetapi ketika ada yang mengubah kata kamma dengan kata Yes*s dicerita yang hampir mirip dengan cerita AB malah dibilang bagus, cerita yang menginspirasi hehehhe...

Menurut suhu apakah harus disampaikan bahwa itu cerita maksudnya sebenarnya bukan Tuhan?

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Re: Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« Reply #5 on: 06 April 2011, 01:18:51 PM »
wah suhu-suhu disini balasnya begitu cepat heheh...

pengalaman pribadi , saya pernah mempost di Facebook acara ceramah AB di Indonesia malah dibilang AB bukan tuhan,jangan menyembah berhala,
(apa hubungannya mempost ceramah Buddhis dengan menyembah berhala hehe).
Tetapi ketika ada yang mengubah kata kamma dengan kata Yes*s dicerita yang hampir mirip dengan cerita AB malah dibilang bagus, cerita yang menginspirasi hehehhe...

Menurut suhu apakah harus disampaikan bahwa itu cerita maksudnya sebenarnya bukan Tuhan?

apakah orang yg mengatakan "menyembah berhala" dan orang yang mengatakan "menginspirasi" adalah orang yg sama? jika berbeda, cukup jelas bukan? tiap2 orang memang bisa berbeda dalam menafsirkan suatu cerita

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Re: Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« Reply #6 on: 06 April 2011, 01:28:57 PM »
memang ada banyak kisah yg sudah beredar di masyarakat jauh sebelum buku itu terbit, tidak ada masalah selama kisah tsb tidak copyrighted
setuju, suhu Indra, saya pribadi kalau cerita itu bermanfaat bagi siapapun tidak masalah.
buat penyelidikan pustaka, mana catatan yang pertama tentang cerita seperti ini... akan ketahuan siapa contek siapa...
Kalau cerita tentang 4 istri sih pernah saya baca di buku "membuka pintu hati" nya AB, dan inti sari cerita memang lebih ke kamma, bukan Yes*s. Untuk keledai kan sering didengar di ceramah AB dengan teriakan khasnya "Iiii Ooo" tentunya inti sari cerita adalah tentang cara melepas, bukan tuhan.
Kalau penyelidikan pustaka berdasarkan penerbitan sih itu yang link fb ada yang diubah sendiri dan ngambil dari sumber lain. Tetapi tidak dikatakan dari buku AB.

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Re: Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« Reply #7 on: 06 April 2011, 01:37:57 PM »
apakah orang yg mengatakan "menyembah berhala" dan orang yang mengatakan "menginspirasi" adalah orang yg sama? jika berbeda, cukup jelas bukan? tiap2 orang memang bisa berbeda dalam menafsirkan suatu cerita
Orangnya berbeda   :P, hanya sama-sama umat kanesten, sama sama mengunakan iman kanesten untuk mendasari argumen menyembah berhala dan menginspirasi nya.
Dikala ingin menbetulkan kata  "menyembah berhala" untuk mempost ceramah seorang bhikkhu saya teringat untuk melepas ego untuk tidak berdebat, tetapi malah lucu kalau melihat ada kata " menginspirasi" dari ceramah bhikkhu (yang sudah diubah). Mungkin ego saya masih ada sehingga merasa lucu heheh...

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Re: Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« Reply #8 on: 06 April 2011, 04:57:58 PM »
cerita2 dengan di isi tokoh2 yang terkenal itu bermaksud agar untuk menarik minat seseorang untuk membacanya, kalau mau baca coba baca doa sang katak, di situ juga banyak cerita2 yang memakai tokoh2 terkenal dalam agama2 sehingga untuk menarik minat untuk membacanya.
Janganlah memperhatikan kesalahan dan hal-hal yang telah atau belum dikerjakan oleh diri sendiri. Tetapi, perhatikanlah apa yang telah dikerjakan dan apa yang belum dikerjakan oleh orang lain =))

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Re: Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« Reply #9 on: 06 April 2011, 09:02:41 PM »
Dari hasil googling saya hanya menemukan bahwa menurut Buddhis, perumpamaan seorg laki-laki dengan empat org istri dikisahkan Sang Buddha dalam Agama Sutra Sanskrit (yg paralel dg Sutta Pitaka Pali), namun saya tidak menemukan sutra mana yg dimaksud.

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In one of the Agama sutras, the Buddha's early sermons, there is a very interesting story:

Once there was a man who had four wives. According to the social system and circumstances of ancient India, it was possible for a man to have several wives. Also, during the Heian period in Japan, about a thousand years ago, it was not unusual for a woman to have several husbands. The Indian had become very ill and was about to die. At the end of his life, he felt very lonely and so asked the first wife to accompany him to the other world.

'My dear wife,' he said, 'I loved you day and night, I took care of you throughout my whole life. Now I am about to die. Will you please go with me wherever I go after my death?'

He expected her to answer yes. But she answered, 'My dear husband, I know you always loved me. And you are going to die. Now it is time to separate from you. Goodbye, my dear.'

He called his second wife to his sickbed and begged her to follow him in death. He said, 'My dear second wife, you know how I loved you. Sometimes I was afraid you might leave me, but I held on to you strongly. My dear, please come with me.'

The second wife expressed herself rather coldly. 'Dear husband, your first wife refused to accompany you after your death. How can I follow you? You loved me only for your own selfish sake.'

Lying in his deathbed, he called his third wife and asked her to follow him. The third wife replied, with tears in her eyes, 'My dear, I pity you and I feel sad for myself. Therefore I shall accompany you to the graveyard. This is my last duty to you.' The third wife thus also refused to follow him to death.

Three wives had refused to follow him after his death. Now he recalled that there was another wife, his fourth wife, for whom he didn't care very much. He had treated her like a slave and had always showed much displeasure with her. He now thought that if he asked her to follow him to death, she certainly would say no.

But his loneliness and fear were so severe that he made the effort to ask her to accompany him to the other world. The fourth wife gladly accepted her husband's request.

'My dear husband,' she said; 'I will go with you. Whatever happens, I am determined to be with you forever. I cannot be separated from you.'

This is the story of 'A Man and His Four Wives.'

Gautama Buddha concluded the story as follows:

'Every man and woman has four wives or husbands. What do these wives signify?

THE FIRST WIFE

The first 'wife' is our body. We love our body day and night. In the morning, we wash our face, put on clothing and shoes. We give food to our body. We take care of our body like the first wife in this story. But unfortunately, at the end of our life, the body, the first 'wife' cannot follow us to the next world. As it is stated in a commentary, 'When the last breath leaves our body, the healthy color of the face is transformed, and we lose the appearance of radiant life. Our loved ones may gather around and lament, but to no avail. When such an event occurs, the body is sent into an open field and cremated, leaving only the white ashes.' This is the destination of our body.

THE SECOND WIFE

What is the meaning of the second wife? The second 'wife' stands for our fortune, our material things, money, property, fame, position, and job that we worked hard to attain. We are attached to these material possessions. We are afraid to lose these material things and wish to possess much more. There is no limit. At the end of our life these things cannot follow us to death. Whatever fortune we have piled up, we must leave it. We came into this world with empty hands. During our life in this world, we have the illusion that we obtained a fortune. At death, our hands are empty. We can't hold our fortune after our death, just as the second wife told her husband: 'You hold me with your ego-centered selfishness. Now it is time to say goodbye.'

THE THIRD WIFE

What is meant by the third wife? Everyone has a third 'wife.' This is the relationship of our parents, sister and brother, all relatives, friends, and society. They will go as far as the graveyard, with tears in their eyes. They are sympathetic and saddened...

Thus, we cannot depend on our physical body, our fortune, and our society. We are born alone and we die alone. No one will accompany us after our death.

THE FOURTH WIFE

Sakyamuni Buddha mentioned the fourth wife, who would accompany her husband after his death. What does that mean? The fourth 'wife' is our mind [or Alaya consciousness]. When we deeply observe and recognize that our minds are filled with anger, greed, and dissatisfaction, we are having a good look at our lives. The anger, greed, and dissatisfaction are karma, the law of causation. We cannot be separated from our own karma. As the fourth wife told her dying husband, 'I will follow you wherever you go.'

http://www.dharmaweb.org/index.php/Thus_Have_I_Heard:_Buddhist_Parables_and_Stories
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Re: Cerita Buddhis diklaim atau sebaliknya..
« Reply #10 on: 06 April 2011, 09:51:20 PM »
never ending story

lha buku mereka kan cman 1 ato 2 aja, cepet habis tau...
kekurangan ide, mentok2nya nyomot2 sana sini...
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