PA-AUK SAYADAW: Untuk mencapai Nibbana harus mampu melihat kehidupan lampau?

[Andi Sangkala]

Oh ya Pak Hud kebetulan ada referensi lagi tentang vipasana jhana dari Sayadaw U Pandita murid Mahasi Sayadaw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipassana_jhanas

Ya, vipassana-jhana ini diajarkan oleh Sayadaw U Pandita, murid Mahasi Sayadaw.
Dari apa yang saya baca, ternyata vipassana-jhana ini hanya uraian lain yang paralel dengan vipassana-nyana. Vipassana-jhana ke-4 itu identik dengan 'bhanga-nyana'.

Jadi vipassana-jhana bukan jhana yang dicapai pada samatha-bhavana.

Membicarakan jhana & vipassana ini sangat rumit. Bhante Gunaratana bicara tentang lokiya-jhana dan lokuttara-jhana (ketika orang mencapai magga-phala). ... Saya tidak hafal lagi. ...   Lagi pula, untuk apa terlalu banyak dipikirkan ... jangan-jangan malah tidak jadi bermeditasi. 

Salam,
hudoyo

namaste 

daripada banyak dipikirkan lebih baik duduk hening, jalan hening, bobo hening 

semoga terheningkan 


sukhi hotu

andi

[tesla]

Setiap guru mengajarkan sesuai dengan pengalaman mereka. jika kita masih berada pada dualisme, benar dan salah, berarti kita belum layak menilai kemampuan orang yang memiliki kemampuan diatas kita. Ingat! benar salah yang kita bahas sekarang adalah kebenaran relatif. jawaban seorang guru hanya untuk siswa yang dituju pada saat itu. jadi, jangan menyimpulkan sesuatu hanya berdasarkan satu atau dua kejadian. ada banyak keterbatasan pada kita.

[kullatiro]

bagi para ahli pilihan nya adalah sedikit sedangkan yang awam adalah tak berhingga

[ika_polim]

Yang berikut ini saya baca dalam buku Pak-Auk Sayadaw:

"The splendour, radiance, light, brilliance and brightness of wisdom that you have developed [dengan konsentrasi seperti diuraikan terdahulu/hh] enables you to go back along the line of successive mentality-materiality from the present to the moment of your rebirth in this life, to the moment of your death in your past life, and further back in the same way to as many lives as you can discern, and then also look into the future, to the time of your own Parinibbāna. ...

Without seeing past lives and future lives it is impossible for you to understand dependent origination as it really is: to know and see how past causes have given results in the present, and present causes will give results in the future, and how the cessation of the causes gives the cessation of the results. And without knowing and seeing dependent origination, it is impossible to know and see the Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffering as it really is. ..."

Betulkah ini? Betulkah untuk bisa MELIHAT/MENEMBUS Paticcasamuppada--dan dengan demikian untuk mencapai nibbana--orang harus memiliki abhinna untuk melihat kehidupannya di masa lampau dan masa depan?
Adakah arahat yang tidak memiliki abhinna itu?

Lalu argumentasi itu dihubungkan dengan kutipan dari Visuddhimagga:

"It is explained in the Visuddhi Magga:

There is no one, even in a dream, who has got out of the fearful round of rebirths, which is ever destroying like a thunderbolt, unless he has severed with the knife of knowledge well whetted on the stone of sublime concentration, this Wheel of Becoming, which offers no footing owing to its great profundity, and is hard to get by owing to the maze of many methods.

And this has been said by the Blessed One:
'This dependent origination is profound, Ānanda, and profound it appears. And, Ānanda, it is through not understanding, through not penetrating it, that this generation has become a tangled skein, a knotted ball of thread, matted as the roots in a bed of reeds, and finds no way out of the round of rebirths, with its states of loss, unhappy destinations… perdition.' (Maha-nidana Sutta, DN 15)"

(Pa-Auk Sayadaw, "Knowing and Seeing", Revised Edition, halaman 30-31)

Sepertinya kutipan Visuddhimagga itu kok tidak nyambung dengan argumentasi di atasnya, ya. ...

Salam,
hudoyo

masa lalu

apakah masa lalu itu ada

IMHO, yang diperlukan utk realisasi Nibbana adalah "bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung-rugi".

itu saja, realistis, efektif dan praktis!!!

ika.

[bond]

Yang berikut ini saya baca dalam buku Pak-Auk Sayadaw:

"The splendour, radiance, light, brilliance and brightness of wisdom that you have developed [dengan konsentrasi seperti diuraikan terdahulu/hh] enables you to go back along the line of successive mentality-materiality from the present to the moment of your rebirth in this life, to the moment of your death in your past life, and further back in the same way to as many lives as you can discern, and then also look into the future, to the time of your own Parinibbāna. ...

Without seeing past lives and future lives it is impossible for you to understand dependent origination as it really is: to know and see how past causes have given results in the present, and present causes will give results in the future, and how the cessation of the causes gives the cessation of the results. And without knowing and seeing dependent origination, it is impossible to know and see the Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffering as it really is. ..."

Betulkah ini? Betulkah untuk bisa MELIHAT/MENEMBUS Paticcasamuppada--dan dengan demikian untuk mencapai nibbana--orang harus memiliki abhinna untuk melihat kehidupannya di masa lampau dan masa depan?
Adakah arahat yang tidak memiliki abhinna itu?

Lalu argumentasi itu dihubungkan dengan kutipan dari Visuddhimagga:

"It is explained in the Visuddhi Magga:

There is no one, even in a dream, who has got out of the fearful round of rebirths, which is ever destroying like a thunderbolt, unless he has severed with the knife of knowledge well whetted on the stone of sublime concentration, this Wheel of Becoming, which offers no footing owing to its great profundity, and is hard to get by owing to the maze of many methods.

And this has been said by the Blessed One:
'This dependent origination is profound, Ānanda, and profound it appears. And, Ānanda, it is through not understanding, through not penetrating it, that this generation has become a tangled skein, a knotted ball of thread, matted as the roots in a bed of reeds, and finds no way out of the round of rebirths, with its states of loss, unhappy destinations… perdition.' (Maha-nidana Sutta, DN 15)"

(Pa-Auk Sayadaw, "Knowing and Seeing", Revised Edition, halaman 30-31)

Sepertinya kutipan Visuddhimagga itu kok tidak nyambung dengan argumentasi di atasnya, ya. ...

Salam,
hudoyo

masa lalu

apakah masa lalu itu ada

IMHO, yang diperlukan utk realisasi Nibbana adalah "bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung-rugi".

itu saja, realistis, efektif dan praktis!!!

ika.

Uda capai nibbana om?
Tau proses mencapai nibbana?
Apa tanda dari bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung rugi?
Om ika masih pegang duit?

[hatRed]

masa lalu

apakah masa lalu itu ada

IMHO, yang diperlukan utk realisasi Nibbana adalah "bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung-rugi".

itu saja, realistis, efektif dan praktis!!!

ika.

no no no...
         

bukan begitu om........

orang yg bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung rugi mah..... orang gila juga bisa om....

[Sunkmanitu Tanka Ob'waci]

Jadi siapa yang gila di sini?

[ika_polim]

Yang berikut ini saya baca dalam buku Pak-Auk Sayadaw:

"The splendour, radiance, light, brilliance and brightness of wisdom that you have developed [dengan konsentrasi seperti diuraikan terdahulu/hh] enables you to go back along the line of successive mentality-materiality from the present to the moment of your rebirth in this life, to the moment of your death in your past life, and further back in the same way to as many lives as you can discern, and then also look into the future, to the time of your own Parinibbāna. ...

Without seeing past lives and future lives it is impossible for you to understand dependent origination as it really is: to know and see how past causes have given results in the present, and present causes will give results in the future, and how the cessation of the causes gives the cessation of the results. And without knowing and seeing dependent origination, it is impossible to know and see the Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffering as it really is. ..."

Betulkah ini? Betulkah untuk bisa MELIHAT/MENEMBUS Paticcasamuppada--dan dengan demikian untuk mencapai nibbana--orang harus memiliki abhinna untuk melihat kehidupannya di masa lampau dan masa depan?
Adakah arahat yang tidak memiliki abhinna itu?

Lalu argumentasi itu dihubungkan dengan kutipan dari Visuddhimagga:

"It is explained in the Visuddhi Magga:

There is no one, even in a dream, who has got out of the fearful round of rebirths, which is ever destroying like a thunderbolt, unless he has severed with the knife of knowledge well whetted on the stone of sublime concentration, this Wheel of Becoming, which offers no footing owing to its great profundity, and is hard to get by owing to the maze of many methods.

And this has been said by the Blessed One:
'This dependent origination is profound, Ānanda, and profound it appears. And, Ānanda, it is through not understanding, through not penetrating it, that this generation has become a tangled skein, a knotted ball of thread, matted as the roots in a bed of reeds, and finds no way out of the round of rebirths, with its states of loss, unhappy destinations… perdition.' (Maha-nidana Sutta, DN 15)"

(Pa-Auk Sayadaw, "Knowing and Seeing", Revised Edition, halaman 30-31)

Sepertinya kutipan Visuddhimagga itu kok tidak nyambung dengan argumentasi di atasnya, ya. ...

Salam,
hudoyo

masa lalu

apakah masa lalu itu ada

IMHO, yang diperlukan utk realisasi Nibbana adalah "bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung-rugi".

itu saja, realistis, efektif dan praktis!!!

ika.

Uda capai nibbana om?
Tau proses mencapai nibbana?
Apa tanda dari bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung rugi?
Om ika masih pegang duit?

IMHO, itulah pentingnya utk mampu melakukan "pengembalian fungsi semua indria" tsb!!!

jika pada saat mata melihat "sesuatu" dan lantas "tergiur" atau "terheran" atau "bingung", anda sdh mencederai fungsi melihatnya indria mata !!!

akibatnya???, ...

anda bisa pikirkan sendiri dgn organ Otak anda, dan jgn pakai organ hidung!!!


ika.

[bond]

Yang berikut ini saya baca dalam buku Pak-Auk Sayadaw:

"The splendour, radiance, light, brilliance and brightness of wisdom that you have developed [dengan konsentrasi seperti diuraikan terdahulu/hh] enables you to go back along the line of successive mentality-materiality from the present to the moment of your rebirth in this life, to the moment of your death in your past life, and further back in the same way to as many lives as you can discern, and then also look into the future, to the time of your own Parinibbāna. ...

Without seeing past lives and future lives it is impossible for you to understand dependent origination as it really is: to know and see how past causes have given results in the present, and present causes will give results in the future, and how the cessation of the causes gives the cessation of the results. And without knowing and seeing dependent origination, it is impossible to know and see the Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffering as it really is. ..."

Betulkah ini? Betulkah untuk bisa MELIHAT/MENEMBUS Paticcasamuppada--dan dengan demikian untuk mencapai nibbana--orang harus memiliki abhinna untuk melihat kehidupannya di masa lampau dan masa depan?
Adakah arahat yang tidak memiliki abhinna itu?

Lalu argumentasi itu dihubungkan dengan kutipan dari Visuddhimagga:

"It is explained in the Visuddhi Magga:

There is no one, even in a dream, who has got out of the fearful round of rebirths, which is ever destroying like a thunderbolt, unless he has severed with the knife of knowledge well whetted on the stone of sublime concentration, this Wheel of Becoming, which offers no footing owing to its great profundity, and is hard to get by owing to the maze of many methods.

And this has been said by the Blessed One:
'This dependent origination is profound, Ānanda, and profound it appears. And, Ānanda, it is through not understanding, through not penetrating it, that this generation has become a tangled skein, a knotted ball of thread, matted as the roots in a bed of reeds, and finds no way out of the round of rebirths, with its states of loss, unhappy destinations… perdition.' (Maha-nidana Sutta, DN 15)"

(Pa-Auk Sayadaw, "Knowing and Seeing", Revised Edition, halaman 30-31)

Sepertinya kutipan Visuddhimagga itu kok tidak nyambung dengan argumentasi di atasnya, ya. ...

Salam,
hudoyo

masa lalu

apakah masa lalu itu ada

IMHO, yang diperlukan utk realisasi Nibbana adalah "bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung-rugi".

itu saja, realistis, efektif dan praktis!!!

ika.

Uda capai nibbana om?
Tau proses mencapai nibbana?
Apa tanda dari bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung rugi?
Om ika masih pegang duit?

IMHO, itulah pentingnya utk mampu melakukan "pengembalian fungsi semua indria" tsb!!!

jika pada saat mata melihat "sesuatu" dan lantas "tergiur" atau "terheran" atau "bingung", anda sdh mencederai fungsi melihatnya indria mata !!!

akibatnya???, ...

anda bisa pikirkan sendiri dgn organ Otak anda, dan jgn pakai organ hidung!!!


ika.

Tidak menjawab pertanyaan .

[ika_polim]

Yang berikut ini saya baca dalam buku Pak-Auk Sayadaw:

"The splendour, radiance, light, brilliance and brightness of wisdom that you have developed [dengan konsentrasi seperti diuraikan terdahulu/hh] enables you to go back along the line of successive mentality-materiality from the present to the moment of your rebirth in this life, to the moment of your death in your past life, and further back in the same way to as many lives as you can discern, and then also look into the future, to the time of your own Parinibbāna. ...

Without seeing past lives and future lives it is impossible for you to understand dependent origination as it really is: to know and see how past causes have given results in the present, and present causes will give results in the future, and how the cessation of the causes gives the cessation of the results. And without knowing and seeing dependent origination, it is impossible to know and see the Noble Truth of the Origin of Suffering as it really is. ..."

Betulkah ini? Betulkah untuk bisa MELIHAT/MENEMBUS Paticcasamuppada--dan dengan demikian untuk mencapai nibbana--orang harus memiliki abhinna untuk melihat kehidupannya di masa lampau dan masa depan?
Adakah arahat yang tidak memiliki abhinna itu?

Lalu argumentasi itu dihubungkan dengan kutipan dari Visuddhimagga:

"It is explained in the Visuddhi Magga:

There is no one, even in a dream, who has got out of the fearful round of rebirths, which is ever destroying like a thunderbolt, unless he has severed with the knife of knowledge well whetted on the stone of sublime concentration, this Wheel of Becoming, which offers no footing owing to its great profundity, and is hard to get by owing to the maze of many methods.

And this has been said by the Blessed One:
'This dependent origination is profound, Ānanda, and profound it appears. And, Ānanda, it is through not understanding, through not penetrating it, that this generation has become a tangled skein, a knotted ball of thread, matted as the roots in a bed of reeds, and finds no way out of the round of rebirths, with its states of loss, unhappy destinations… perdition.' (Maha-nidana Sutta, DN 15)"

(Pa-Auk Sayadaw, "Knowing and Seeing", Revised Edition, halaman 30-31)

Sepertinya kutipan Visuddhimagga itu kok tidak nyambung dengan argumentasi di atasnya, ya. ...

Salam,
hudoyo

masa lalu

apakah masa lalu itu ada

IMHO, yang diperlukan utk realisasi Nibbana adalah "bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung-rugi".

itu saja, realistis, efektif dan praktis!!!

ika.

Uda capai nibbana om?
Tau proses mencapai nibbana?
Apa tanda dari bebas dari mentalitas bisnis/jual-beli/untung rugi?
Om ika masih pegang duit?

IMHO, itulah pentingnya utk mampu melakukan "pengembalian fungsi semua indria" tsb!!!

jika pada saat mata melihat "sesuatu" dan lantas "tergiur" atau "terheran" atau "bingung", anda sdh mencederai fungsi melihatnya indria mata !!!

akibatnya???, ...

anda bisa pikirkan sendiri dgn organ Otak anda, dan jgn pakai organ hidung!!!


ika.

Tidak menjawab pertanyaan .

jika ttg hal "Knowing & Seeing" dan tulisan saya dikatakan tidak menjwb pertanyaan,...

saya pikir anda seharusnya menemukan dulu "frekuensi relax dan nyaman" anda kembali baru meneruskan tanya jwb ini.

ika.