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Faith in Budhism
« on: 09 August 2007, 01:32:05 PM »
faith in Budhism, gue comot mentah-mentah dari forum international....


Diamond-Cutter Sutra (chapter 6) said:

Subhuti addressed the Buddha, "World Honored One, in the future, will there be living beings who will have true faith upon hearing such phrases?"

The Buddha told Subhuti, "Subhuti, do not say this! Even in the last five-hundred-year period after the passing of the Thus Come One, there will be those who, upholding the moral precepts and cultivating blessings, will hear such phrases and be inspired with pure faith. You should know that such people have not planted good roots with just one or two Buddhas, and not with three, four, or five Buddhas, but rather they have planted good roots with immeasurable tens of millions of Buddhas. Subhuti, the Thus Come One knows and sees all those people who will hear these phrases, even for a single recitation, and will give rise to the pure faith. Such living beings will thus obtain immeasurable merit. Why? Because such living beings will not fall back to clinging to the idea of a self, a personality, a being, or a separated individuality. They will not fall back to clinging to dharmas and they will not fall back to clinging to non-dharmas. Why? If those living beings' minds were to cling to dharmas, then they would be attached to the notion of a self, a personality, a being, and a separated individuality. Likewise, if they were to cling to non-dharmas, they would be attached to the notion of a self, a personality, a being, and a separated individuality. Therefore, one should not cling to dharmas, nor should one cling to non-dharmas. Because of this principle the Thus Come One always says, ‘my teaching of the Dharma is to be likened to a bamboo raft. The honored Dharma must be relinquished, and how much more so of that which is not the Dharma?'"

Point 1) "They will not fall back to clinging to dharmas and they will not fall back to clinging to non-dharmas." The reason they do not cling to dharmas and they do not cling to non-dharmas is not because they do not wish to have a literal take on them, but rather because even "The honored Dharma must be relinquished, and how much more so of that which is not the Dharma?'" Basically by dwelling in neither the dharmas or the non-dharmas, the Mind of Incomparable Enlightenment (Annutara-Samyak-Sambodhi) can be realized. It is true that when meditating and when living your life it is great to neither dwell in the dharma or in the non-dharma, but again that doesn't mean don't interpret the dharma literally.

Point 2) Faith is a good thing in Buddhism!

http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/Buddhism/Budd.../BDF.html#faith

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Faith is one of the Eleven Wholesome Dharmas of the One Hundred Dharmas (see entry for latter); it is also one of the Five Faculties (faith, vigor, mindfulness, concentration, and wisdom).

"Faith is necessary in whatever it is one does. One needs to have a sense of belief, an attitude of faith. First, one needs to have faith in oneself. What kind of faith? One needs to have faith that one certainly can become a Buddha. One has to believe that there is no difference between the Buddha and oneself. Yet that lack of difference is in one's Buddha-nature. Cultivation is still required in order to actually become a Buddha. If one cultivates, one will become a Buddha. In order to do so, one must have an initial belief in this principle.

"Second, not only is it necessary to believe that one can become a Buddha oneself, but also to believe that all people can become Buddhas. Moreover, not only can all people become Buddhas, one should believe that all living beings have the Buddha-nature and are capable of becoming Buddhas. If one has that kind of faith, then one should begin by following the rules oneself. To follow the rules means to hold the moral precepts. First one holds the precepts, and then one can become a Buddha. One does it oneself and also encourages others to do so as well.

"Faith must be solid, like a rock, firm and sturdy. Faith shouldn't be like a pile of ashes which seems to have some substance to it but which crumbles at the slightest disturbance. Don't be too soft. One's faith must be strong and solid." (HD 44 45)

THE IMPORTANCE OF FAITH

"Faith is the foundation of cultivation of the Way and the mother of merit and virtue, because it is capable of nourishing wholesome roots. The Buddhadharma is like a vast sea; only by faith can it be entered. Therefore, the single word 'faith' is the essence of escape from birth and death and is the wonderful means for returning to the source. It is a precious raft on the stream of affliction, a torch in the dark cave of ignorance, and a guide who leads us out of the path of confusion. It is a compass for those floundering in the waves on the sea of suffering, and a sagely teacher for those in the Three Paths (Arhat, Pratyekabuddha, and Bodhisattva) and Eight Difficulties ( ). It is the origin of awakening for the Four Kinds of Creatures born (from wombs, eggs, moisture, and transformation) within the Six Paths (see entry). Faith cannot be ignored. An author of ancient times said, 'If a man has no faith, I do not know what can be made of him.'

"Once two bhikshus were travelling to see Shakyamuni Buddha, the World-Honored One. As they travelled they became extremely thirsty but could not find any water. As they walked they happened upon a human skull containing water in which some small bugs were swimming, enjoying themselves tremendously. One of the bhikshus picked up the water and offered some to his companion. The companion replied, 'This water contains bugs, and the moral precepts do not permit drinking such water. I would rather die of thirst than to violate the precepts in order to stay alive.' After this incident he died of thirst.

"When the bhikshu who had drunk the water reached the place where the Buddha was residing, he bowed and said to the Lord, 'Your disciple was travelling in the company of another bhikshu who perished of thirst on the road. I hope the Buddha will be compassionate and rescue him.'

"The Buddha said to the bhikshu who had drunk the water, 'Because he stringently maintained the moral precepts and was so firm in his faith that he would not violate them even in the face of death, he received the awesome power of the Buddhas and arrived here before you. He has already seen the Buddha and heard the Dharma before you. He is a bhikshu who has true faith in the precepts." (WM 53-54; also S42 75-76)

Hymn of Faith

Faith is the source of the Way;

Faith is the mother of merit and virtue.

As they arise by faith,

All wholesome dharmas must by faith be nurtured.

Faith cuts the tangled web of doubt,

Escaping loves delusive flow,

And opens wide to reveal the true and unsurpassed Nirvana's road.

Faith has no stain or mar,

Bringing the turbid mind purification,

Eradicating pride,

Of all respect and reverence the foundation.

Within the Dharma Treasury

faith's jewel outshines the fairest gold;

Hence every conduct our hands by faith made pure receive and surely hold.

Faith is the healing source

By which our faculties are cleansed and quickened. Nothing can turn its force,

The solid power of faith cannot be broken.

And when by faith forever

From all affliction we depart,

The Buddha's merit will thus become the sole devotion of our hearts.

With faith the mind's unmoved,

Free from attachment to conditioned arising;

Disasters far removed,

In the tranquility of faith abiding.

The bliss of faith victorious!

Among the conducts of all worlds,

This faith alone is the one most rare and precious wish-fulfilling pearl.

Profoundly we believe:

Trusting the Buddhas and the Buddhas' Dharma,

Treading the Bodhi-Path,

Forever followed by all true disciples.

And to the Great Enlightenment

Our thoughts are joyfully inclined:

The Bodhisattvas with this deep heart of faith produce the Bodhi-Mind!


In short, brother, it wasn't faith or even literalism that brought down the WTC. It was a band of loonies who hijacked several planes and smashed them into the WTC. If one was being a Muslim literalist, there are certainly hundreds upon hundreds of passages which go against this type of an act. But even if that wasn't the case, if we are to be a Buddhist literalist, that means we would disavow any killing of any sentient being. So if you wish to have any further discussions with me on this subject, please retract the implication that by me believing the Buddha literally spoke the Mahayana sutras that I am the same as a terrorist. It is embarassing and inciteful. If you apologize for this, I will continue to try to have a beneficial conversation with you.

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Re: Faith in Budhism
« Reply #1 on: 09 August 2007, 01:55:13 PM »
maksudne?

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Re: Faith in Budhism
« Reply #2 on: 12 August 2007, 03:16:33 PM »
nggak ada translate ke versi indo yah??  :(

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Re: Faith in Budhism
« Reply #3 on: 12 August 2007, 03:22:21 PM »
translate dunk, males bacanye...
but i think i can feel where it might lead...  ;D

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Re: Faith in Budhism
« Reply #4 on: 12 August 2007, 04:12:51 PM »
maksudne?
Ini hanya masalah pemahaman mengenai saddha.
Saddha diterjemahkan dalam bahasa inggris sebagai faith. Dan Faith diterjemahkan dalam bahasa indonesia sebagai iman. So, mungkin penulis topik ini ingin menguatkan pendapatnya bahwa ada iman dalam Buddhisme. Gitu kali maksudnya, El.  ^-^
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